Oshkosh 2025

kyleb said:
You ought to bring the kids and spouse. The food and pricing are sorta reasonable and the space is pretty big.
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Where exactly is Sleepy Hollow Bar? On the maps, it shows Sleepy Hollow Farm is near the SOS tent.
 
Lowflynjack said:
Where exactly is Sleepy Hollow Bar? On the maps, it shows Sleepy Hollow Farm is near the SOS tent.
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As Kyle stated it's right across from SOS Bros and right next to the Northeast side of Camp Scholler (the North part of the 101 Woods). It looks like a barn and it's right before the campsites. This might help:
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tsts4 said:
As Kyle stated it's right across from SOS Bros and right next to the Northeast side of Camp Scholler (the North part of the 101 Woods). It looks like a barn and it's right before the campsites. This might help:
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Ah. I've parked next to it and headed to SOS... and never knew it was a bar!! Thanks!
 
So…. If, hypothetically it might rain….. does one have to do something to keep tires from sinking into the turf after a week of parking/tie down?
 
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WDD said:
So…. If, hypothetically it might rain….. does one have to do something to keep tires from sinking into the turf after a week of parking/tie down
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You'll be fine. Plenty of people to help push you. If you want to make life easier, bring a small piece of plywood to put under each wheel to distribute the weight.
 
WDD said:
So…. If, hypothetically it might rain….. does one have to do something to keep tires from sinking into the turf after a week of parking/tie down
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Boards. I originally used 1 foot squares of 1/2" plywood until one cracked. Some use plastic cutting boards. I now use 1 foot squares of 1/8" aluminum diamond plates I got at Home Depot. I also have a sign that asks the marsahllers to stop me short when parking as it's easier to pull the plane up on to the plates vs push the plane back or push it back just to pull it forward.
 
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WDD said:
So…. If, hypothetically it might rain….. does one have to do something to keep tires from sinking into the turf after a week of parking/tie down
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A sheet of diamond plate under each wheel works great to prevent you from sinking into the sod. 1/8" aluminum should be strong enough.

- Martin
 
The year I flew my friends Bonanza in and camped, I brought plywood squares to put under the tires. When we parked I looked around and didn’t see anyone else doing it, so I left them in the plane. It took five grown ass men to pull it out of the parking spot on Thursday morning. :)
 
WDD said:
So…. If, hypothetically it might rain….. does one have to do something to keep tires from sinking into the turf after a week of parking/tie down?
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I use small plastic cutting boards, mainly because they fit in the bag with my tie-downs. Doesn't take much to spread the load out.
 
WDD said:
Actually, I already have oversized / larger tires on the 182; should help.
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Ok, I'm not going to say you won't get stuck, but given that statement. If you're stuck, most people will be stuck!
 
rwellner98 said:
Ok, I'm not going to say you won't get stuck, but given that statement. If you're stuck, most people will be stuck!
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1. Make sure there's a tent/campsite behind you. (Even better if there are small children)
2. Stomp rudder to turn so you don't hit the plane in front of you when you break free.
3. Fire up and immediately go to full power to get out.

I've seen it a few times, I think it's the proper way.
 
I just got my assignments for Oshkosh... I'll be taking my usual photos, air-to-air, statics, Vintage area, and now they added... Aviator's Club North and South. So those of you who got this luxury will now have to deal with me taking your photo!

Now if I can just pretend I'm working for one more day before I head out!
 
Lowflynjack said:
1. Make sure there's a tent/campsite behind you. (Even better if there are small children)
2. Stomp rudder to turn so you don't hit the plane in front of you when you break free.
3. Fire up and immediately go to full power to get out.

I've seen it a few times, I think it's the proper way.
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I did it. I was stuck and used power to get out of the parking spot, and when I turned, my propwash blew Tom Gresham's tent down. After that year I always brought some boards to put under the wheels... and of course we were able to retrieve them after getting out of the parking spot and turning 90 degrees before starting.
 
Lowflynjack said:
1. Make sure there's a tent/campsite behind you. (Even better if there are small children)
2. Stomp rudder to turn so you don't hit the plane in front of you when you break free.
3. Fire up and immediately go to full power to get out.

I've seen it a few times, I think it's the proper way.
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I watched that exact thing play out at Sun N Fun one year. The poor guy behind spent a hour cleaning up all his busted stuff, threw a bunch away, then left. Very sad.
 
Ok, I'm launching on Sat or Sun, weather dependent.

Which is worse to arrive, Sunday afternoon or Monday morning?
 
Ed Haywood said:
Ok, I'm launching on Sat or Sun, weather dependent.

Which is worse to arrive, Sunday afternoon or Monday morning?
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I would say Sunday afternoon is busier. The later you get there, the closer you'll be to the south fence, but I'm not sure the spot you'd get Sunday afternoon would be enough better to justify dealing with the traffic.
 
Ed Haywood said:
Ok, I'm launching on Sat or Sun, weather dependent.

Which is worse to arrive, Sunday afternoon or Monday morning?
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Jim K said:
I would say Sunday afternoon is busier. The later you get there, the closer you'll be to the south fence, but I'm not sure the spot you'd get Sunday afternoon would be enough better to justify dealing with the traffic.
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Concur with one caveat--watch the weather. You do not want to try and come in the day after a bad weather day at Osh that shuts down the VFR arrival. The day after becomes a total CF as 2 days' worth of VFR traffic try's to race into the show. One such event, Sat or Sun of 2019 IIRC, is what drove the addition of the extra transition arrival points (Endeavor Bridge, Puckaway Lake and Green Lake).
 
Looking ahead at potential conditions next week, here's some prudent advice for OSH 25:

- Bring rain gear of some type
- Extra shoes
- Lots of extra socks
- If tent camping, ensure your clothes and anything else you don't want to get wet are stored in something waterproof. Under no circumstances should you count on your tent to keep stuff dry.
- If you fly in consider placing boards under your wheels, have good tie downs, and don't forget gust locks
 
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tsts4 said:
This is exactly why I now fly the IFR arrival exclusively regardless of weather conditions and will continue to do so as long as the NOTAM permits it.
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One time about 25 years ago I arrived in my Mooney, IFR. I broke out right at 1000, and just in front of me was a huge thing with 4 engines....a Sunderland flying boat.

The wake turbulence landing at the Red? Green? dot was unbelievable.
Nope, not doing that again.
 
tsts4 said:
Concur with one caveat--watch the weather. You do not want to try and come in the day after a bad weather day at Osh that shuts down the VFR arrival. The day after becomes a total CF as 2 days' worth of VFR traffic try's to race into the show. One such event, Sat or Sun of 2019 IIRC, is what drove the addition of the extra transition arrival points (Endeavor Bridge, Puckaway Lake and Green Lake).
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For the newbies: This doesn't have to mean that Oshkosh was shut down. If it is bright, sunny and perfect weather at Oshkosh, but a line of storms stretches from Iowa to Ohio, cutting off the 70% of people that come from somewhere vaguely south, the next day will be a mess.
 
I have watched Sunderland take off from the Potomac River, beside National Airport. Performance was dramatically poor. As soon as airborne, turned up the Anacostia River, barely cleared the South Capitol Street Bridge. At about 500 feet, turned south on course to the Caribbean.

Ponderous machine, I can imagine the wake it would produce at landing speeds.
 
My own buddy provided my excitement last year. We arrived in formation, and were given 36R to keep us together. I followed him in close trail on base and final, per ATC direction. He was told to land long on the red square, but he missed the call. He did a perfect touchdown on the runway numbers ... with me about 200 yards behind him on short final.
The tower told him to taxi fast and asked me to stay in the air as long as possible. He taxied the full length of the runway at 65mph while I flew behind him in ground effect.
It was all good fun and we had a laugh about it over adult beverages after camp was set up. He initially denied having been given a spot, but ATC Live resolved that debate.
 
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Lowflynjack said:
1. Make sure there's a tent/campsite behind you. (Even better if there are small children)
2. Stomp rudder to turn so you don't hit the plane in front of you when you break free.
3. Fire up and immediately go to full power to get out.
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Went to Fredericksburg a couple of years ago ... I think they were practicing this maneuver for Oshkosh as all the planes around me leaving for lunch departed, blasting everything in site on engine startup in the tie downs ...
 
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Should we publicize the meet Tuesday night with its own thread or keep it low-key?
 
tsts4 said:
Concur with one caveat--watch the weather. You do not want to try and come in the day after a bad weather day at Osh that shuts down the VFR arrival. The day after becomes a total CF as 2 days' worth of VFR traffic try's to race into the show. One such event, Sat or Sun of 2019 IIRC, is what drove the addition of the extra transition arrival points (Endeavor Bridge, Puckaway Lake and Green Lake).
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This is good advice... But the one that caused the addition of the extra arrival transitions was 2019, and in that case it was SEVERAL days of bad weather - Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and even Sunday morning were all low IFR. When the weather finally cleared late Sunday morning, the entire world tried to fly the arrival all at once and it was CRAZY. Just ask @SixPapaCharlie... I knew it was gonna be a mess so I left the plane at home. Some poor guy in an RV took off from Appleton, flew around the lake hold in circles for nearly six hours, and had to go back to Appleton.

The longer transitions don't necessarily help much, IMO, they just spread things out. Believe it or not, I never had to even circle with the old way coming in at Ripon... But the new way, when coming in after the airshow like I've often done before, I had to circle a random spot outside of the Endeavor Bridge and then wait for all the upstream holds to clear.
 
Jim K said:
Should we publicize the meet Tuesday night with its own thread or keep it low-key?
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Up to you — I’m good either way. If you do, add Thursday as well as we’ll be there both nights starting at 5:30
 
flyingcheesehead said:
This is good advice... But the one that caused the addition of the extra arrival transitions was 2019, and in that case it was SEVERAL days of bad weather - Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and even Sunday morning were all low IFR.
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A) You're right.
B) Saturday couldn't have been that bad. That was the day we arrived. ;-)
C) Sunday was the biggest cluster I've ever seen.
D) I've noticed increased separation between landing AND deparing aircraft every year since then. They used to really pack 'em in on landing and the departures looked like the start of LeMans, circa 1960. Lots more spacing now, and a lot more delays on arrival and departure.
 
Opposing Bases 287 (Airventure Notice) is probably a good listen as the episode covers a lot of the Notice with a guest controller who’s worked Airventure since 2014. Some really good perspective and tips shared. The bottom line seems to be everything about the arrival and parking is in the NOTAM and don’t be the square peg looking for a round hole.

They’re pushing 180 planes/hr at their busiest.

 
EAA laying it on a little strong with the promo email! But it's just the kick in the ass I needed to get myself in gear!
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