Oshkosh 2025

I don't think IFR is the solution to all problems... You still have to tangle with all the same traffic when you get to the airport, and now you're the one who's different from everyone else and disrupting traffic flow and potentially getting in the way.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
I don't think IFR is the solution to all problems... You still have to tangle with all the same traffic when you get to the airport, and now you're the one who's different from everyone else and disrupting traffic flow and potentially getting in the way.
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Actually, it's pretty seamless and not the tangle or problem you're making it out to be. Most of the VFR traffic is getting land on the Green Dot whereas the straight traffic (IFRs, Warbirds, and Turbines) to 27 get the Orange Dot but us slower piston guys get the Green Dot a lot too--just depends on the traffic at the time. They just sequence us accordingly.
 
tsts4 said:
Actually, it's pretty seamless and not the tangle or problem you're making it out to be. Most of the VFR traffic is getting land on the Green Dot whereas the straight traffic (IFRs, Warbirds, and Turbines) to 27 get the Orange Dot but us slower piston guys get the Green Dot a lot too--just depends on the traffic at the time. They just sequence us accordingly.
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My atc acquaintance who works osh tower tells me that ifr's are a pain when they are really busy. I get the impression that's mainly sat/sun before the show. My arrivals are always off peak time, so I don't lose any sleep over it. It's also a nice way to be almost guaranteed 9/27, which makes life a LOT easier when you're in the N40.

Fisk wouldn't be so bad if people were actually capable of flying 90 knots.
 
Anyone ever camp at the Sleepy Hollow Campground? I'm going to try to get on the waitlist for an RV spot for 2026.
 
Jim K said:
My atc acquaintance who works osh tower tells me that ifr's are a pain when they are really busy. I get the impression that's mainly sat/sun before the show. My arrivals are always off peak time, so I don't lose any sleep over it. It's also a nice way to be almost guaranteed 9/27, which makes life a LOT easier when you're in the N40.

Fisk wouldn't be so bad if people were actually capable of flying 90 knots.
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Well it's no different than the Warbirds or Turbines coming in at the same time. Also it's actually easier than those other categories as there's only 8 IFR arrivals max (2 each in 15 min blocks) and most of these are pistons singles that are easily merged into the existing VFR arrivals since they don't take away the whole runway for the rollout.
 
Groundpounder said:
Is it a good spot?
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Well that's a pretty open-ended question. Short answer is yes, IMO, but the longer answer is it depends as there's pros and cons compared to other options. Let me ask you this, why are you trying to get a spot in Sleepy Hollow?
 
tsts4 said:
Well that's a pretty open-ended question. Short answer is yes, IMO, but the longer answer is it depends as there's pros and cons compared to other options. Let me ask you this, why are you trying to get a spot in Sleepy Hollow?
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Cause if I make the cut, I can reserve it a lot longer ahead of time than the RV spot at Camp Scholler, and it will be cheaper.
 
So —- what kind of rain gear is recommended for walking around the Oshkosh grounds?
 
Groundpounder said:
Anyone ever camp at the Sleepy Hollow Campground? I'm going to try to get on the waitlist for an RV spot for 2026.
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Yes - this will be my fourth year there. Great place and great location.

My first time there was as a guest of a few friends from Smokehouse Pilots - that got me hooked. Since then I've been there on my own, renting a camper from Kunes, a local RV company which sets up/picks up a camper for a turn-key solution. All sites have water and electricity; some even have a sewer hookup (I just upgraded to one of those this year).

In terms of convenience, this place is hard to beat. Easy walking distance to the main entrance, but Sleepy Hollow also runs a golf cart shuttle back and forth all day. The campground is located directly across the street from SOS, and should I still get thirsty on the way back from SOS to my camper :cheers:, Sleep Hollow has its own bar with food and drinks on their campground. It's quieter than Camp Scholler, and the swimming pond makes it attractive for families with kids. I've observed many repeat customers during my four years there - people keep coming back year after year, which is why it can take a while to clear the waitlist.

For many people not camping next to their plane, I think this is the way to go. An exception would be if you have a group of people and you want to park your RVs next to one another, you can do that in Camp Scholler but the waitlist and how spots are assigned (and maintained year after year) makes that not practically possible in Sleepy Hollow.

- Martin
 
Groundpounder said:
Cause if I make the cut, I can reserve it a lot longer ahead of time than the RV spot at Camp Scholler, and it will be cheaper.
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That's definitely one of the biggest pros. Of course it's cheaper for having a "guaranteed" spot but less so if you're willing to take a Scholler hinter land, first come first serve site. I also like the bar (with food) and on-site laundry (although last year all the machines were broke so we used the laundry over in Scholler). Plus it's right across from SoS Bros although that might not be a pro for everyone. It's pretty close to the Waukau gate (next to the bus park) and they have a golf cart taxi service, but we ride our E-bikes.
 
WDD said:
So —- what kind of rain gear is recommended for walking around the Oshkosh grounds?
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I like a light, breathable (GORTEX, etc) rain jacket/windbreaker. Highly recommend packing a second set of shoes just in case the ones you're wearing get soaked.
 
tsts4 said:
I like a light, breathable (GORTEX, etc) rain jacket/windbreaker. Highly recommend packing a second set of shoes just in case the ones you're wearing get soaked.
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I take extra shoes, but I take a lot of extra socks. Wet feet suck.

My friend is obsessed with airplanes and anything to do with them. If he's riding with me, I usually have to force him to leave OSH. During Sloshkosh, he got a big blister on his foot and was ready to leave a day before I was!
 
Martin Pauly said:
Yes - this will be my fourth year there. Great place and great location.

My first time there was as a guest of a few friends from Smokehouse Pilots - that got me hooked. Since then I've been there on my own, renting a camper from Kunes, a local RV company which sets up/picks up a camper for a turn-key solution. All sites have water and electricity; some even have a sewer hookup (I just upgraded to one of those this year).

In terms of convenience, this place is hard to beat. Easy walking distance to the main entrance, but Sleepy Hollow also runs a golf cart shuttle back and forth all day. The campground is located directly across the street from SOS, and should I still get thirsty on the way back from SOS to my camper :cheers:, Sleep Hollow has its own bar with food and drinks on their campground. It's quieter than Camp Scholler, and the swimming pond makes it attractive for families with kids. I've observed many repeat customers during my four years there - people keep coming back year after year, which is why it can take a while to clear the waitlist.

For many people not camping next to their plane, I think this is the way to go. An exception would be if you have a group of people and you want to park your RVs next to one another, you can do that in Camp Scholler but the waitlist and how spots are assigned (and maintained year after year) makes that not practically possible in Sleepy Hollow.

- Martin
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Thanks Martin. I saw Gabe posting about staying there, and that's why I started looking into it. Did you get a spot the first year you got on the waiting list?
 
tsts4 said:
I like a light, breathable (GORTEX, etc) rain jacket/windbreaker. Highly recommend packing a second set of shoes just in case the ones you're wearing get soaked.
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If you have a lightweight GoreTex, take good care of it. GoreTex is rapidly becoming unobtainium except at insane prices, due to recent California and New York laws banning PFAS. Many of the no-name membranes claim similar performance, but only GoreTex has ever breathed at the level a sweaty guy like me needs.
 
Groundpounder said:
Thanks Martin. I saw Gabe posting about staying there, and that's why I started looking into it. Did you get a spot the first year you got on the waiting list?
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We did, but I think it helped we got a referral from friends that had been staying there for a few years prior. Let me know when you're going to swing by and get on the list (I suggest sooner rather than later) I'll give you the nickel tour. I know there had been mention of a POA get together, and Sleepy Hollow's bar makes a good spot if anyone is interested.
 
tsts4 said:
We did, but I think it helped we got a referral from friends that had been staying there for a few years prior. Let me know when you're going to swing by and get on the list (I suggest sooner rather than later) I'll give you the nickel tour. I know there had been mention of a POA get together, and Sleepy Hollow's bar makes a good spot if anyone is interested.
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I appreciate that very much, but unfortunately I'm not at the show this year. They told me to email them on the 20th to get on the list
 
kyleb said:
Good call. Does Tuesday night work?
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Everything is on Tuesday night, it seems. No other night has so many conflicting events during AirVenture.
I understand why - Monday is still early, Wednesday is the first night airshow, and by Thursday morning a bunch of people will already be leaving. Thus: Tuesday...
 
Groundpounder said:
Thanks Martin. I saw Gabe posting about staying there, and that's why I started looking into it. Did you get a spot the first year you got on the waiting list?
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Yes, I put my name on the waitlist still during that same AirVenture week when I was with Gabe & Co.

It didn't look good initially for the following year, and I was ready to be in Camp Scholler. But then a couple of months before AirVenture they contacted me and had an opening, maybe because somebody else canceled. And once you're in, you're in, as long as you keep coming back every year.

- Martin
 
Lowflynjack said:
I'm booked Tuesday night, but with my schedule, I never know when I'll be free. Enjoy and take lots of pics!
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Martin Pauly said:
Everything is on Tuesday night, it seems. No other night has so many conflicting events during AirVenture.
I understand why - Monday is still early, Wednesday is the first night airshow, and by Thursday morning a bunch of people will already be leaving. Thus: Tuesday...
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Totally understandable. We’re flexible: Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday works for us this year. If another date grabs more people I’m all for it.
 
Martin Pauly said:
Everything is on Tuesday night, it seems. No other night has so many conflicting events during AirVenture.
I understand why - Monday is still early, Wednesday is the first night airshow, and by Thursday morning a bunch of people will already be leaving. Thus: Tuesday...
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Funny, Tuesday is our "off night". Used to be the POA Jambalaya event at Camp Bacon, but that has gone away leaving a gap.
 
Ed Haywood said:
If you have a lightweight GoreTex, take good care of it. GoreTex is rapidly becoming unobtainium except at insane prices, due to recent California and New York laws banning PFAS. Many of the no-name membranes claim similar performance, but only GoreTex has ever breathed at the level a sweaty guy like me needs.
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PFAS are in everything. You'd be surprised at how far up and down the supply chain they go and how many products have them. We've made significant efforts to eliminate them, but continue finding vendors who have PFAS in their products despite signing agreements/promises that their products don't contain PFAS. Why? Because PFAS are in the feed from their suppliers and those suppliers don't know.

One of the challenges is that the science around detecting PFAS has really improved, so waste streams that used to be "PFAS free" 'cause we couldn't measure PPB (parts per billion) actually do have PFAS in the single digit PPB range. So now, companies that did "the right thing" back in the day are under fire for something that was below detection levels.

I need to reach out to one of my college friends who is pretty far up the chemistry/development chain at Gore-tex and get her read on it...
 
kyleb said:
PFAS are in everything. You'd be surprised at how far up and down the supply chain they go and how many products have them. We've made significant efforts to eliminate them, but continue finding vendors who have PFAS in their products despite signing agreements/promises that their products don't contain PFAS. Why? Because PFAS are in the feed from their suppliers and those suppliers don't know.

One of the challenges is that the science around detecting PFAS has really improved, so waste streams that used to be "PFAS free" 'cause we couldn't measure PPB (parts per billion) actually do have PFAS in the single digit PPB range. So now, companies that did "the right thing" back in the day are under fire for something that was below detection levels.

I need to reach out to one of my college friends who is pretty far up the chemistry/development chain at Gore-tex and get her read on it...
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AFAIK the GoreTex membrane is like 100% PFAS.
 
My Tuesday night is booked too, but if it's a different night I'll try to make it.
 
Well it’s a heck of a sacrifice on my part, but I’m willing to host a POA get together at Sleepy Hollow Tuesday and Thursday evening because you guys are worth it. :biggrin::rofl: Seriously I’ll grab a table around 5:30 both nights and maybe make a little POA sign or something for identification— I’ll be wearing a cowboy hat so will be pretty noticeable. Anyone who’s around is welcome to come by and hang out either night or both!
 
A majority of PFAS enviro and health claims are such a crock. And folks are starting to lump anything with a fluorine molecule into a PFAS class. It’s an academia cartel grant machine, it really is; If any research found “PFAS” to be “safe” then no more funding for that naive researcher.

I still have a few cans of Scotch Guard that I’m hoarding.
 
tsts4 said:
Well it’s a heck of a sacrifice on my part, but I’m willing to host a POA get together at Sleepy Hollow Tuesday and Thursday evening because you guys are worth it. :biggrin::rofl: Seriously I’ll grab a table around 5:30 both nights and maybe make a little POA sign or something for identification— I’ll be wearing a cowboy hat so will be pretty noticeable. Anyone who’s around is welcome to come by and hang out either night or both!
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I’ll come wearing my POA shirt.
flyingcheesehead said:
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Does looking at Windy every six hours count?
 
tsts4 said:
Well it’s a heck of a sacrifice on my part, but I’m willing to host a POA get together at Sleepy Hollow Tuesday and Thursday evening because you guys are worth it. :biggrin::rofl: Seriously I’ll grab a table around 5:30 both nights and maybe make a little POA sign or something for identification— I’ll be wearing a cowboy hat so will be pretty noticeable. Anyone who’s around is welcome to come by and hang out either night or both!
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I'll be there Tuesday. Might be a bit later after we get dinner and get the kids situated.
 
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