Mid-life Career Change to Airline Pilot. It's Doable.

Any chance you'll be up front on my Dublin (Ireland) flight this week?

And for fun flying, you should join a glider club. Plenty of your ilk there.
 
Any chance you'll be up front on my Dublin (Ireland) flight this week?

And for fun flying, you should join a glider club. Plenty of your ilk there.
Do you guys have one at Big Q?


And if you are taking a 175 to Ireland, I hope you are departing from Greenland.
 
Thanks for all the posts detailing your journey. It’s been really interesting, and even though I have no desire to replicate it, I learned a lot. And you’re a good writer, which makes the journey more fun.
 
Worst experience so far was holding in IMC and icing conditions over the mountains in Monterrey MX, down to bingo fuel while absolutely death gripping the grab handle. Worst turbulence I have ever experienced. I can't even begin to describe how badly we were getting rocked. I have had 2 flights like that so far.
How did that turn out-- make the approach ok?

The dog was funny.
 
Please explain, I’ve never heard that term.
It's one of the ways that crew scheduling has to cover a trip. They assign it to the most junior pilot who is legal to fly it.
The particulars can vary from airline to airline and contract to contract.

At companies that allow it, it's why nobody answers a call from Crew Scheduling. Sometimes you can't avoid it, though, depending on the notification requirements.

My current airline doesn't have junior manning. We have senior manning. They start at the most senior pilot, who's legal to fly it, and offer the trip at 100% premium pay (i.e. double-time). The difference is with senior manning we can decline.
 
It's one of the ways that crew scheduling has to cover a trip. They assign it to the most junior pilot who is legal to fly it.
The particulars can vary from airline to airline and contract to contract.

At companies that allow it, it's why nobody answers a call from Crew Scheduling. Sometimes you can't avoid it, though, depending on the notification requirements.

My current airline doesn't have junior manning. We have senior manning. They start at the most senior pilot, who's legal to fly it, and offer the trip at 100% premium pay (i.e. double-time). The difference is with senior manning we can decline.
Makes sense. Thanks!
 
1 Year Later...

Its been 1 year. I am off probation which means I've got pretty descent seniority, I've gotten my first pay raise and moved up to 2 year pay.
I have union protection now. I hope to never have to use it. I think I am a pretty safe pilot.
I have logged 500 hours in the E-175, Gone around twice, Diverted once, Been stranded 5 nights, Junior manned once, Flown the ILS to mins about 3 times.
Ice, Snow, rain, windshear, and gremlins on the wing. I have done all the things now.

Pros:
I am a line holder with good seniority in my seat and base. This is pure luck and timing but means my quality of life is great.
Non Reving is a benefit that is worth its weight in gold. I have taken the family to Canada, Chicago, New York, Florida, California, Arizona, Wisconsin with 0 missed flights so far.
I am pretty happy to go to work which is also worth its weight in gold.
I am the most proficient at instrument flying I have ever been. I was never overly confident in my instrument flying skills prior.
Special passengers are frequent and brighten my day. Kids and adults going on their first flights are fun. I like to let them in the flight deck for photos and they seem to love that.
I am comfortable in the plane but still learning on every flight.
This is odd but I love the scheduling game. It is like gambling, watching the boards, doing the math, figuring out which trips benefit me in various ways, and trading trips. Its addicting.


Cons:
This has definitely impacted my love of aviation, especially general aviation. I suspect I might not be a plane owner this time next year but will probably join a club just to have the option.
The other part of that is I am not bothered by this at all. Me a year ago would have been mad to believe that I turned into that guy. I really don't mind it. Worth noting this has been an intense year of eating, sleeping, breathing aviation as I am learning this plane and career so that may shift as muscle memory continues to take hold.
I'm tired a lot. I haven't had a job where I am physically tired. I think it is a combination of the mental strain that flying takes combined with the shifting schedules, late nights, early mornings.
After most of my sequences, I come home and need a lengthy nap to reset.
Not being home when needed. My AC went out at the house yesterday. It was a helpless feeling when my son called and said "if the home owner is not here, they cant do the work".


Worst experience so far was holding in IMC and icing conditions over the mountains in Monterrey MX, down to bingo fuel while absolutely death gripping the grab handle. Worst turbulence I have ever experienced. I can't even begin to describe how badly we were getting rocked. I have had 2 flights like that so far.

Best was absolutely greasing my first landing and being greeted by pax that were very complimentary.
One woman approached and asked "who landed?" captain pointed at me and she said "I had no idea we were on the ground until I heard the engines get loud."
Its fun to get fist bumps after a flight. Fist bump the pilots when they butter the landing.



Fun facts
Jets don't have keys.
There is more "personal protection" on board then I would have imagined. LEO, Feds, FFDO (google that one. I had no idea).
All you have to do is buy a "service animal" vest off amazon and then you can bring your pets on vacation. So many seeing eye wiener dogs, westies, poodles, chihuahuas out there. who knew?
We pull power over the numbers just like in your Bonanza.
Sometimes people on your flights are being deported or are in a Con-Air scenario.
If the overhead bin above your seat says "Main cabin extra" your adult beverages are free of charge (at my company).
We have an app that senses turbulence on our ipad and networks with all the other ipads to generate a turbulence map.
If you are hungry at the airport, find out if they have a 7-11. Their hot section (Breakfast tacos, burritos, etc) are like $2.50 Its the most reasonable priced food in the airports.
The checklist for my Comanche is longer than the 175.
"Winglets" is a trademarked by Boeing so the 175 has an "enhanced wing tip" and the airbus has "Sharklets".
The shortest flight we do is DFW to Waco. I believe it is a sub 15 min flight if south flow. Driving would be faster than flying given boarding, taxi, etc.


It was a good move making this career change but the honeymoon and unicorn stuff is gone. This is work and it is taxing work but I prefer it and still wish I had pursued it sooner.
With the seniority system, you do start swinging the bat with the weight on the end of it and with every new schedule, there is less and less weight so there is this consistent sense of life improving.



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Sometimes its just like a Cessna.

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Isn't he on the step labeled "NOT A STEP"?
 
So..... since you now are off probation, have union protection..........

Will we now see a resumption of Just Plane Silly videos?
 
So..... since you now are off probation, have union protection..........

Will we now see a resumption of Just Plane Silly videos?

I will continue the channel. I think I have a pretty good grasp on how to run the channel without getting calls from my chief pilot.
We are on good terms.
 
It's one of the ways that crew scheduling has to cover a trip. They assign it to the most junior pilot who is legal to fly it.
The particulars can vary from airline to airline and contract to contract.

At companies that allow it, it's why nobody answers a call from Crew Scheduling. Sometimes you can't avoid it, though, depending on the notification requirements.

My current airline doesn't have junior manning. We have senior manning. They start at the most senior pilot, who's legal to fly it, and offer the trip at 100% premium pay (i.e. double-time). The difference is with senior manning we can decline.

We may be using the term incorrectly.
We get Junior man pay anytime we are forced to work on our day off.

I have been stranded a couple times or timed out and had to be dead headed home on the next day (day off)
We get pay catagorized as junior man pay for that. So for us, the term simply means working on your day off involuntairly.
On the flip side, they will return the day off on a later day of our choosing. so not only do we get paid but we are returned the day off.

I have had it happen twice on OT trips and I have no complaints.
 
thanks for the update post.
I am pretty happy to go to work which is also worth its weight in gold.

Makes me have a twinge of regret not following through on a similar thought to switch to pro flying I'd had many years ago...when I was mid-career, dealing with layoffs and/or threats of layoffs or whatever.....
 
I am pretty happy to go to work which is also worth its weight in gold.
I was fortunate enough to spend 32.5 years in a job that I really liked and enjoyed with the USAF. OTOH, retired 29.5 years and really really liking it and really really enjoying it.

Edit to correct years retired but who’s counting? ;)
 
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I was fortunate enough to spend 32.5 years in a job that I really liked and enjoyed with the USAF. OTOH, retired 29.5 years and really really liking it and really really enjoying it.

Edit to correct years retired but who’s counting? ;)
Well you’re counting both in half-year increments, which means you really really loved them both.
 
You and I have the same anniversary month. Mine was 4 years ago. It has flown by for me as well.

As you are learning, seniority is everything. Right now I’m enjoying life on the slightly more senior side of my fleet (40% in base and seat). Hard to beat flying somewhere cool in Europe and sipping an aperol spritz, then heading home.

But, I seem to get a “two year itch” when it comes to jobs. Most of my corporate jobs lasted just over two years, and I was on the Airbus here for about two years before I made the jump to 757/767. It has now been two years since that change, and I’m hearing the siren song of the left seat of the 737. It will be a huge jump in pay (well over $100k more a year, not counting soft time) but a huge hit in QOL. Being a commuter adds to the QOL hit. So I am not sure what to do. It’s not like I’m living below the poverty line now, I’m making more than I ever have in my career, but a six figure raise is not trivial.

We don’t have any captain openings right now, but there will most likely be a big bid sometime in the late fall. I guess I need to make my decision then.

Anyway, enough of my hijacking of your thread. Hell of a time to be an airline pilot. Enjoy the ride.
 
Congratulations!!!! That was a great write up of your experience and it sounds like you found a wonderful home. I hope that you continue to enjoy the ride!

Abram Finkelstein
N685AS
 
If you were on a flight from Chicago to Billings today, please get off the plane. We landed, I assure you. Also your welcome.

Guh-reeased a landing today like.... What's smoother that buttered butter?

Touch down was imperceptible by even the most perceptable of individuals.

JD power and associates ranked it the number one, smoothest landing in its class.

Looks like the airport cameras at KBIL captured it...

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Captain goes "I'm not even going out there, this is yours to enjoy. Go get your first bumps"
 
Looks like the airport cameras at KBIL captured it...
Glad to hear it, since apparently there weren't actually any revenue passengers anywhere near the thing.

Just kidding. Enjoy Billings. Your destination is Stella's Kitchen, where you'll order the huckleberry crepes.
 
Glad to hear it, since apparently there weren't actually any revenue passengers anywhere near the thing.

Just kidding. Enjoy Billings. Your destination is Stella's Kitchen, where you'll order the huckleberry crepes.

Very familiar with Stella's.
That's tomorrow's breakfast. Currently enjoying lunch at Montana brewing company for some wings and an ice cold "Hoppy Gilmore". The hot wings are almost as perfect as the landing I just made.
 
If you were on a flight from Chicago to Billings today, please get off the plane. We landed, I assure you. Also your welcome.

Guh-reeased a landing today like.... What's smoother that buttered butter?

Touch down was imperceptible by even the most perceptable of individuals.

JD power and associates ranked it the number one, smoothest landing in its class.

Looks like the airport cameras at KBIL captured it...

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Captain goes "I'm not even going out there, this is yours to enjoy. Go get your first bumps"
It’s all fun and games until maintenance tells you to go clean that butter off the plane.
 
.. I’m hearing the siren song of the left seat of the 737. It will be a huge jump in pay (well over $100k more a year, not counting soft time) but a huge hit in QOL. Being a commuter adds to the QOL hit. So I am not sure what to do…
how many more days/month will you be working/away from home? How many more legs/day of flying?
 
Captain goes "I'm not even going out there, this is yours to enjoy. Go get your fist bumps"
That's awesome! Now just think, had you gotten a tailwheel or a Bonanza instead of a Comanche, then every landing could be so buttery...
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If you were on a flight from Chicago to Billings today, please get off the plane. We landed, I assure you. Also your welcome.

Guh-reeased a landing today like.... What's smoother that buttered butter?

Touch down was imperceptible by even the most perceptable of individuals.

JD power and associates ranked it the number one, smoothest landing in its class.

Looks like the airport cameras at KBIL captured it...

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Captain goes "I'm not even going out there, this is yours to enjoy. Go get your first bumps"
Wish you were flying the 777......
 
Would you rather be a captain on a 737 or a FO on a 777?
 
Would you rather be a captain on a 737 or a FO on a 777?
At our airline, every 777 FO was senior enough to hold narrowbody Captain. That wasn’t always the case though. A lot of the 777 FOs I fly with are planning on skipping the domestic Captain position and moving over to the 777 or 787 when they can hold it.
 
At our airline, every 777 FO was senior enough to hold narrowbody Captain. That wasn’t always the case though. A lot of the 777 FOs I fly with are planning on skipping the domestic Captain position and moving over to the 777 or 787 when they can hold it.
That's what I'm doing; hanging out in the 330 right seat for about 5.5 years so far. I should be able to hold left seat in the 330 in the next 6-9 months. Hopefully I'll sped my whole career at Delta on a 757 and bigger. (so far so good)
 
That's what I'm doing; hanging out in the 330 right seat for about 5.5 years so far. I should be able to hold left seat in the 330 in the next 6-9 months. Hopefully I'll sped my whole career at Delta on a 757 and bigger. (so far so good)
I hope you do. The 737 leaves bruises.
 
I appreciate that it and the 320 are largely the backbone of our airline. I just don't want to fly either of them. Just my time on the jumpseats of both have convinced me that I'm where I need to be.
Brother that why this job is so awesome. There’s a place for us all. No wrong decisions when it comes to bidding. I can guarantee you there are many pilots that would rather quit than do my job. I’m happy. Throw me in the briar patch happy.

Enjoy your wide body. I’ll bring the peeps to ya.
 
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