Mid-life Career Change to Airline Pilot. It's Doable.

I can see a question being added to the medical form "Have you ever written software? If so, please explain below..."

Glad you're no longer walking the filthy streets of git to find your fix.
 
The first step is admitting that you have an IT problem.

"Hi my name is Bryan and I'm a software engineer"

"Welcome Bryan"

7 months sober IT Free today.

I'm sorry if you've answered this before, but at year two (or when you start making the 750 hour CA pay), does that get you at least in the ballpark of where you were in IT?
 
I can see a question being added to the medical form "Have you ever written software? If so, please explain below..."

Glad you're no longer walking the filthy streets of git to find your fix.

I’ve always said that while there might not be anything morally wrong about writing software or firmware for a living, people should do it in private and wash their hands afterward.
 
I'm sorry if you've answered this before, but at year two (or when you start making the 750 hour CA pay), does that get you at least in the ballpark of where you were in IT?
Close. It's basically public. According ~public sources which may or may not be accurate, It's ~160k a year if I don't pick up any overtime.

IT was more but I was at the top of the food chain so not necessarily normal.

I don't know how jobs work anymore but it's crazy money for being 15 months into a career. It took me at least 10 years to make that much money in IT.

But for some perspective, 25 years into this career nowadays would be FU money by comparison.

Ballpark? yes-ish.
 
All about timing.

I recall a conversation I had with a very senior guy at SWA right after I got my Private (I was 43 years old). He said, "Man, it's a shame you aren't ten years younger - you could get on and fly with the airline." And, at that time, he was right - there were no jobs for old guys like me, and there were 5 applicants for every opening (especially at SWA); and other airlines were still clearing furloughs.

Very glad that the regionals are actually paying pilots something like what they're worth, after years of what could only have been called "abuse."
 
32 months IT free here.

It’s not perfect, but it beats working.
 
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49 years removed from having to deal with Avionics software weenies. Almost nightmare free now.
 
I travelled a bunch for work and when I did, it wasn’t loneliness on the road that got to me at all. It was the time ticking away on how much longer my kids were going to be kids.
I think @SixPapaCharlie's kids are of the age when you're ready to be done with them being kids. :rofl:

I recall a conversation I had with a very senior guy at SWA right after I got my Private (I was 43 years old). He said, "Man, it's a shame you aren't ten years younger - you could get on and fly with the airline." And, at that time, he was right - there were no jobs for old guys like me, and there were 5 applicants for every opening (especially at SWA); and other airlines were still clearing furloughs.
Only 5???

I just got hired as one of three in my class, out of 200 applicants.

I also applied to Southwest when they had their recent "We have 140 slots and we swear we're leaving the applications open for two weeks" hiring event. They closed the applications after two days instead of two weeks after all; word is that they got 40,000 applications.

Nothing like a fully-automatic gatling AI application gun.

Very glad that the regionals are actually paying pilots something like what they're worth, after years of what could only have been called "abuse."
Truth. I remember when you could pay to work for a night cargo outfit, and when I got my commercial you could go work for Great Lakes for a whopping $19 per flight hour.

But now who fixed your printer when it won't connect?
Nobody, because printers are dumb and nobody likes them and why do we have paper anyway?
 
and when I got my commercial you could go work for Great Lakes for a whopping $19 per flight hour.
Almost double what it was when I interviewed there. (I think I figured just over $13,000 per year if you maxed out your annual hours in 10 months and got paid for doing nothing in November and December. But you could make double that as a captain.)
 
when I got my commercial you could go work for Great Lakes for a whopping $19 per flight hour.
When I was hired at Nashville Eagle in 1991, it was $15.50/hr.

why do we have paper anyway?
Every time we get a long printout from the ACARS printer I say, "welcome to the paperless cockpit!"
 
I was laid off for a btief time in 2002, and I considered pursuing the 121 career until I learned the right seat at a regional paid $19k-$22k. Can’t support a family on that.
 
I was laid off for a btief time in 2002, and I considered pursuing the 121 career until I learned the right seat at a regional paid $19k-$22k. Can’t support a family on that.

And many of those hired at that time frame are in $300k+ positions nearing retirement with million plus dollar portfolios. ;)
 
When I was hired at Nashville Eagle in 1991, it was $15.50/hr.
Woooo look at the big money at Eagle!

When I hired on at Mesa in 1993 we had mileage pay, as I recall it was .056 cents/mile. It averaged to about $1000/month for right seat in a Beech 1900. The crap we had to eat back then to pursue the airline career…
 
Very glad that the regionals are actually paying pilots something like what they're worth, after years of what could only have been called "abuse."
When I was little, I fell in love with flying after one of our farm landlords took me up. I was always begging to go and spending all my time on MSFS. I said that I wanted to be an airline pilot, but was told that there was no money in it...that I'd be grinding away at poverty wages at the regionals for 15 years before making decent money at a major. At the time, I suppose that was right. One of the boys who took me up in his dad's plane was living through that experience then, which is why they discouraged me. Had I pursued it anyway, I would've been looking for a first job in maybe 2005, and possibly gotten furloughed in 2008. Who knows what might've been.

Part of why I'm enjoying following Bryan's adventure so much. So cool to see him getting a second chance at it, as it were.
 
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But only 75 hours a month! LOL


OK. You win.
And yet, that was still better than the $775.50 a buddy was making ref #579. Let's not forget that there were some who actually PAID for the privilege of being copilots at certain scumbag operations--a negative salary, as it were.

After my CPL checkride was debriefed and the fee settled, the DPE offered the following counsel at no extra charge: "You worked hard to earn that ticket but it's only worth what you are willing to accept, and if you work for free, it's worth nothing at all." A timely and memorable admonishment not to undermine the profession.

The dirty little non-secret shared by those of us who were there at the time is that we, and so many others, willingly accepted employment for (barely) subsistence wages. We considered it a sort of sacrifice necessary to advance our careers, and it was our eagerness to work under those terms that gave employers the ability to keep wages ridiculously low. Especially during the Era of Extreme Scarcity, we felt lucky just to get any flying job that paid enough to survive on while we optimistically waited for the Great Pilot Shortage to commence (which, unfortunately for us, did not happen until it was far too late to matter). Despite all of that, when I look back the question I gotta ask myself is, do I feel lucky. And the answer is always Yes. Not good, but very lucky.
 
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Let's not forget that there were some who actually PAID for the privilege of being copilots at certain scumbag operations--a negative salary, as it were.
Right after I got my multi commercial ticket, I started getting cards in the mail advertising pay for right seat time.

Imagine, all I had to do was pay $19,000.00 and I would receive 100 invaluable hours of right seat time in a Piper Navajo or Cessna 402.!!! Woo hoo.!!
 
I will say this, I went to Des moines last night and I think it might have been worse. Or at least a close second.
Winter pre and post flight inspections are brutal. Just looked at my calendar and I have Toronto on Thursday.
I am ready to upgrade.
Best decision you’ll ever make.
 
Woooo look at the big money at Eagle!

When I hired on at Mesa in 1993 we had mileage pay, as I recall it was .056 cents/mile. It averaged to about $1000/month for right seat in a Beech 1900. The crap we had to eat back then to pursue the airline career…
Heh... When I was in primary flight training, my CFI said "ooooh, we get paid on Friday! I can finally buy that box of ramen I've had my eye on..." :rofl:
 
I am thinking of a mid-life career change myself.

Is there an age limit for becoming a flight attendant.??
 
Boom! 8 months and 2 weeks on the flight line and I just got my first hard line starting in May. Life just got a lot better.

And I think I played it correctly. I did what every hard line holder does, ditched my entire schedule and rebuilt a significantly more badass schedule for myself.

Abilene? No thank you. Acapulco, yes I will take that one!

What a gift, the timing of all of this.
 
Boom! 8 months and 2 weeks on the flight line and I just got my first hard line starting in May. Life just got a lot better.

And I think I played it correctly. I did what every hard line holder does, ditched my entire schedule and rebuilt a significantly more badass schedule for myself.

Abilene? No thank you. Acapulco, yes I will take that one!

What a gift, the timing of all of this.


Are you sure that’s a good idea?
But as you stroll along these beaches, your tranquility can be somewhat interrupted by the thought that you are actually in the world's second most violent city.​

 
Are you sure that’s a good idea?
But as you stroll along these beaches, your tranquility can be somewhat interrupted by the thought that you are actually in the world's second most violent city.​


Mexico isn't my favorite and I traded out of most of those trips. I haven't done this one before so I am checking it out tomorrow.
Of the cities I have been to, The only Mex flying I will take voluntarily is chihuahua. That town is amazing and we are in a very secure location.
I have been to a few other places that I will not go back to if I can avoid them. No blatant security concerns, just a feeling like this is an area where staying in the hotel may be a good option.
 
The only Mex flying I will take voluntarily is chihuahua.
That made me think about how, unlike US destinations, the Mexican airports seem to be much more segregated by mainline or Express flights. At the Mexican airports that I fly to, SJD, PVR, MEX, CUN, I don't see any US regional flights and whenever regional pilots talk about Mexican destinations, they are places that I've never been with mainline.


I try to bring her along if it's a long over night to a cool location.

So far she's only come to college station and Abeline
There seems to be a contradiction in those two statements.
 
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