Mid-life Career Change to Airline Pilot. It's Doable.

Y'know... I've been thinking that I'd really love to know when I am/will be near my flying friends, and that a pilots-only social network app would be cool. The idea would be that it'd be able to read your schedule, or you could enter it, and use location services, and it would tell you when one of your pilot friends was (or was going to be) nearby so you could get together.

Rod Rakic was really ahead of his time with MyTransponder - I remember the year it premiered at Oshkosh and people asked what it was and he'd say "It's like Facebook for pilots" but every single person he said that to answered with "What's Facebook"? I think it was 2009. Nobody really "got it" at that point and I don't think it lasted very long, but now I wish I had it back!
Cool idea. Part of my issue is that I'm under certain agreements that are NDA like where I'm not really supposed to talk about where/who I'm flying. But the tail number isn't redacted in the systems so maybe it's just a catch all

so I don't talk about HOW I FLEW TAYLOR SWIFT FROM... nice try
Not my favorite OT pickup this month. -7 in North Dakota is far more painful than anything I would refer to as a wintry mix in Texas.
De-Ice + Anti Ice = Delays and missed connections. This was a hard day.

Captain of the plane in front of our gate asked for both then decided they didn't do a good enough job so they had to do it again (30 min a pop each time)
Then decided he still wasn't satisfied with their de-icing progress and somehow.... oops , timed out. Added a 2 hour delay to our time just so he could go to the hotel.
Just listening to the guy on freq, pointing out "under wing icicles" that he could not possibly see was odd AF. We managed to get cleaned up and flew back to a more normal environment.

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I'm about to have a few trips that will probably look like this ... to destinations where I don't think anyone, let alone POAers live. Today I get to call a couple airports and talk about their procedures for clearing runways, taxiways, timing & hours, deicing capabilities and heated hangar availability. Luckily the places are served by 121 - though I've never heard of this 121 (or maybe it's technically a scheduled 135?).
 
Y'know... I've been thinking that I'd really love to know when I am/will be near my flying friends
Some years ago, I was sitting in the crew room under the concourse at ORD waiting for my trip to start. My Facebook app told me that a friend, from about three airlines ago, was nearby. He was then flying for ANA Airlines in Japan but living in the Cincinnati area. I sent him a text and found out he was on his way home, waiting for his connecting flight so I went upstairs to his gate and we has a nice time catching up. Never would have known without the FB app's notification.
 
Y'know... I've been thinking that I'd really love to know when I am/will be near my flying friends, and that a pilots-only social network app would be cool. The idea would be that it'd be able to read your schedule, or you could enter it, and use location services, and it would tell you when one of your pilot friends was (or was going to be) nearby so you could get together.

Rod Rakic was really ahead of his time with MyTransponder - I remember the year it premiered at Oshkosh and people asked what it was and he'd say "It's like Facebook for pilots" but every single person he said that to answered with "What's Facebook"? I think it was 2009. Nobody really "got it" at that point and I don't think it lasted very long, but now I wish I had it back!

That name sounds familiar. Does he work at my company?
I swear I have seen it on the turnback list
 
Some years ago, I was sitting in the crew room under the concourse at ORD waiting for my trip to start. My Facebook app told me that a friend, from about three airlines ago, was nearby. He was then flying for ANA Airlines in Japan but living in the Cincinnati area. I sent him a text and found out he was on his way home, waiting for his connecting flight so I went upstairs to his gate and we has a nice time catching up. Never would have known without the FB app's notification.
FB does that? I thought that was Tinder... :goofy:
 
Cool idea. Part of my issue is that I'm under certain agreements that are NDA like where I'm not really supposed to talk about where/who I'm flying. But the tail number isn't redacted in the systems so maybe it's just a catch all
Right... And some folks who only fly one person around would probably have to exclude themselves. I do know of at least one pilot who can't post anything anywhere because he flies one guy around and all the trips are to see various mistresses.

I'm about to have a few trips that will probably look like this ... to destinations where I don't think anyone, let alone POAers live. Today I get to call a couple airports and talk about their procedures for clearing runways, taxiways, timing & hours, deicing capabilities and heated hangar availability. Luckily the places are served by 121 - though I've never heard of this 121 (or maybe it's technically a scheduled 135?).
Let me guess - Essential air service? Random B1900, PC12, or even piston going into BFE?
 
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After the 8 procedure trainer sessions comes the procedure validation. It is a checkride in the CPT sim. I came in stressed, tunnel vision, anxeity, all the stuff that goes into a checking event.
The examiner was super cool, cracking jokes and doing his best to diffuse any nerves I had. We did the flight and the whole time, he was really casual and just being a fun loving pilot monitoring while I did the pilot flying portion. After, I said I appreciate your style, it was very comfortable flying with you. He said "IF you hadn't been doing such a good job, you might have gotten a totally different version of me".
That was a boost of confidence and kinda lit a fire under me that this might actually happen.
I suffer from the worst imposter syndrome and live my life knowing every day, this is the day I get fired.
I don't know where it comes from but it was amplified during this training so this was a good experience for me.
Everyone in the class that made it this far passed their procedures validation.

SIMS
We had access to full motion simulators that were for lack of a better word, Bad Ass! Feels, sounds, behaves like the actual jet which I can now confirm as I have 30 hours in the Jet.
The sims were a little less stressful then the CPT because they were the same 8 lessons so nothing new other than now we were "Flying".
Everyone gets 8 two hour sim sessions as pilot flying and 8 two hour sim sessions as pilot monitoring. This portion of the training was fun for the most part. It is mostly focused on emergencies and how to handle them.
We almost never land the sim. Every time you see a runway, there is a dear on it or a truck on it or something. In my sleep I hear "Go around, Flaps 2!" that is the phrase most spoken in the sim.
Towards the end of the sims it started getting more difficult. I was doing just ok but really struggling with the single Engine ILS w/ no autopilot. That is just a terribly difficult maneuver for me.
Due to this and a couple setbacks, when they asked how are you doing and I said I am 80% there, they offered some additional sim sessions and I accepted them.
There were a handful of others in the class that accepted them as well and this sort of became the point where the class is no longer a class but individuals finishing their training.
The group chat goes dark and we all fight as individuals for the finish line.

CHECKRIDE 1: MV
The Maneuvers validation is the hard checkride. This is where you have to do stall recovery, emergency descent, V1 cuts, engine fire, and anything else they want to throw at you including for me the dreaded single engine ILS, hand flown. I nailed all of the maneuvers and totally botched the Single Engine ILS which they know is tough so they leave it for last. They have contingency built into the training for botched maneuvers and I used all of the contingencies offered up to the point where I had the examiner behind me stating "This is it I need you to do this or it's game over" My legs were shaking. I did a v1 cut and setup for the ILS. I clicked the autopilot and auto throttles off and I was on top of the flight director, absolutely glued to it. Speed set, configured, "flaps 1", "Flaps 2", "Gear down, Flaps 3", "Flaps 5 Landing Checklist". Set power to 69%. Runway in sight, "Minimums" and I nailed that landing. I stopped the plane and the examiner goes. "It would have been less stressful if you had just done that the first time. Sat complete by the way, congrats".

CHECKRIDE 2: LOE
Last checking event in the sim is Line Operating Experience. This is 2, 2 hour flights from gate to gate. They just want to see you fly. They will throw very minor emergencies at you just to see how you run the checklists, etc. It is calm, slow paced and low stress. Mine was fairly uneventful. If you mess anything up you have 2 chances to repeat it. We debriefed my landing at the end. The examiner said it wasn't pretty and I would liked to have seen x,y,z but everything was done to standards. He printed out my ATP and Type rating and we went to the sim to snap a couple photos.

IOE & LINE CHECK
That brings us to the last 2 weeks in the actual jet. Last week, I went to Miami, Jacksonville, North Carolina, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Alabama, Amarillo, College Station, and DFW about 6 times. I've been everywhere man. I've been everywhere. The jet flies like the sim but it is easier to land and there are these nice people that bring you food and coffee. On the longer flights it moves very slow and is very calm. Up in the flight levels, it is beautiful and the radio gets really quiet especially late at night. There are stressful flights. We had a flight to DFW and back out where we had a 30 min ground stop and had to switch planes which meant after the flight, I have to do a post flight walk around, grab my bags, get to the next gate, do a pre flight walk around, then get the flight plan and performance loaded while all the passengers are already there. You can feel rushed when that happens but you have to fight it. All through training the moto was "Don't rush" the tendency to do so is real. On my 2nd flight, we had a bird strike at 10,000 feet. It was loud AF. On my 3rd landing, I had an APU fail. when we got the next plane, the APU was inop. Flying into Miani, we were dodging thunderstorms all along the coast. So the first time in the jet I got exposed to a lot. The last flight yesterday was my line check and it went well. A short hop from OKC to DFW so a lot to do in a short period of time but I got it done and the examiner signed me off. It was the perfect end to a check ride. I greased the landing. And having strangers shake your hand and say "Great Landing" On their way out might be the best end to a check ride ever.

I posted these in another thread but some cool moments.
My wife hitched a ride out to College station so she could get on one of my flights. That was awesome.
She made a video of her on the plane while I was making a PA. She is super happy about my being employed again and I think she digs pilots.
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Let me know if you know what kind of bird that was. I wonder what he was doing at 10,000 feet.

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All in all, I do believe this was the hardest thing I have done in my life especially given all that hangs in the balance. The training is damn hard but a full career swap at nearly 50 with two kids about to go to college and mom holding down the fort and praying this works out compounded it significantly. She took on a lot of additional clients to offset some of the financial strain but we're on the other side now.

I am happy to be working again. I am happy I made the change even though it was starting to feel like my only option since the IT world and I are no longer compatible.
I still feel like the new kid on the first day of school at the airport but that should fade. I like the airplane a lot and I really love the company. Their focus on safety isn't lip service they are very serious about it.
Even though I barely have a toe in the water, I suspect I will be a lifer here. I could see myself retiring into the training department should this last.
The culture and emphasis on safety, fatigue, prioritizing family, etc is nice.

I did make 1 single joke over the last 3 months. On the long flights, we take turns eating. Captain said its quiet if you want to eat first, this is a good time.
I handed her a can of tuna and a can opener and said can you open this while I get my utensils out of my bag?
The stare I got back was priceless. The can was not opened.
That is about the level of "fun" that can be had on the flight deck.

That's it. That's the story if anyone is curious about the airline training process, the E-175, or any non company specific things, I am happy to do deep dives into any of the stuff above.
It was all a mystery to me as I was going through it and I learned a ton.

Also, for all the people that post "I'm 26, 36, 46, 56... Is it too old to get started?", You are not too old to start, you are not too old to change things about your life that you don't like.
It is hard to change but we can do hard things if we need to.

Last Call,
-F.O. SixPapaCharlie
Huge Congrats to you mate. That would have been truly terrifying for most people, having to drop out of everything you had been doing as a career and taking on the airline pilot role. Bloody impressive! Big thumbs up from this mere PPL holder in Australia! Cheers! And Merry Christmas!
 
Came here to say - BUY THE RV!!
And congrats on losing your laptop bag....
 

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Just catching up a bit here, after seeing your two North Dakota videos pop up on my YouTube feed. Just three points to make.

1. Next time you're up this way, let us know. One of us will probably take you flying and/or ice fishing. Or at least to a better restaurant than Applebees. (Bismarck also has an Olive Garden, although there wasn't enough flair in town and they lost their T.G.I. Fridays. The nearest one of those is in KDFW.)

2. I think our official state pastime is to tell everyone who doesn't like it to go home. We aren't hostile, very much the opposite. We are just steering into the skid and playing along with the big joke that we actually kind of enjoy everyone making at our expense.

3. Don't let your wife find out that North Dakota has a pretty young lady hiding behind every tree. She'll never let you come back here again.

Keep sharing your airline adventures. And maybe consider trying to grow a beard. :cool:
 
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3. Don't let your wife find out that North Dakota has a pretty young lady hiding behind every tree. She'll never let you come back here again.

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Dude.

If you'd met Bryan's wife, you'd know: there's no risk of BrYan straying from the reservation. He's way too smart (and lucky) to do that.

And yes, I know you weren't serious.
 
Dude.

If you'd met Bryan's wife, you'd know: there's no risk of BrYan straying from the reservation. He's way too smart (and lucky) to do that.

And yes, I know you weren't serious.
I'm dead serious.

I admit to having not visited ND, but if it's anything like SD, that would be a total of about 5.
South Dakota has five trees now? I was wondering where our tree went! Tell them to bring it back.
 
Just watched your love for ND video. Next time you’re in BIS, hit me up. If I’m around I’ll take you out for dinner (my truck has heated seats).
 
Keep sharing your airline adventures. And maybe consider trying to grow a beard. :cool:
OK, this made me laugh, after he just had to chop off his existing beard to take the job that took him to the cold place where he needs a beard. :rofl:

I'll be following soon. In about a month or so, I should be beardless. I'm not looking forward to it. My kids have never seen me without a full beard. My wife hasn't seen me with less than a goatee. I haven't seen my own face since 1996... And I was a lot skinnier and better looking then. I also rather enjoy that my two-year-old likes playing with my beard and I'm gonna miss that. :(
 
OK, this made me laugh, after he just had to chop off his existing beard to take the job that took him to the cold place where he needs a beard. :rofl:

I'll be following soon. In about a month or so, I should be beardless. I'm not looking forward to it. My kids have never seen me without a full beard. My wife hasn't seen me with less than a goatee. I haven't seen my own face since 1996... And I was a lot skinnier and better looking then. I also rather enjoy that my two-year-old likes playing with my beard and I'm gonna miss that. :(
It's been 6 months and I can't make sure contact with a mirror. I really dislike this feature of the career. I like the plane and the paycheck though.
 
OK, this made me laugh, after he just had to chop off his existing beard to take the job that took him to the cold place where he needs a beard. :rofl:
It'll be fine when he flies up here in the summer. This year, it was a Tuesday. (What we lack in state trees, we make up for in state jokes.)
 
It'll be fine when he flies up here in the summer. This year, it was a Tuesday. (What we lack in state trees, we make up for in state jokes.)
I will say this, I went to Des moines last night and I think it might have been worse. Or at least a close second.
Winter pre and post flight inspections are brutal. Just looked at my calendar and I have Toronto on Thursday.
I am ready to upgrade.
 
I'm there now. I'll dig it up for you.
Ha. I'm guessing your ground is as frozen there as it is here in NH. It'll take power equipment.

Winter is fun when there are things to do. Make it to NH Bryan and it's shaping up like we will get the Alton Bay ice runway open again on Lake Winnipesaukee (8" now and need 12" of ice) so you can get your ice landing in for a real contaminated runway check in the block.
 
I will say this, I went to Des moines last night and I think it might have been worse. Or at least a close second.
Winter pre and post flight inspections are brutal. Just looked at my calendar and I have Toronto on Thursday.
I am ready to upgrade.
Mark Twain apparently never said, “The coldest winter I’ve ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.” But if he did, he would have had a point. Everywhere has its bad weather, and as an FO you should soon be qualified to write a book on that subject, if you have any fingers left after your trip to Canada. I think there’s a Calvin and Hobbes strip about building character by preflighting in -20F and +100F on the same day.
 
about building character by preflighting in -20F and +100F on the same day.
Three years back on a big notorcycle ride out west we left Flagstaff in the morning it was 24F. That afternoon when we pulled into Furnace Creek it was 104F. Huge swing!
 
Have you gotten a feel, yet, for how many hours you'll be able to credit on a monthly basis?

On reserve I am averaging about 42 hours per month.
I am picking up 15-20 hours OT on top of that.

In Jan, I have a line that looks to be about 68 and I can comfortably pick up about 20 OT without killing myself.

Currently sitting at 210 for the year.
I should hit 750 (CA pay target) in August.
And 950 (CA upgrade min) in Nov.

300 hours after that I can apply to be a LCA and then be one of those rich pilots.
 
For clarification, bidding reserve is saying " You give me an on call schedule and I prefer these days off"
We have a list of 100s of monthly schedules that have no cities or times, just days of the week you agree to be on call.
So for NOV, I sorted them so everything with Thanksgiving was on top and same for Christmas.

They try to award them to you in order of your preference but they are also assigned based on seniority.
So if the guy above me and I prioritized the same line as #1, he would get it. So you delete the lines you do not want,
and sort the remaining 400-500 (using a program) based on preference. Then they are assigned. You get a schedule that
just has "Days Off" and "Reserve" on "reserve" days, they may call you or they may not. It seems about 60/40 call to / no call right now.

Then there are hard lines which are just like reserve except you know when and where you are going.
Same bidding / prioritization system but there is no getting called or not, you are going and it is easy to plan around.

I bid a composite line where they give you a line but throw a couple reserve days in there.
My Jan schedule below. The 18-21, I may fly some of it, all of it, or none if it. Best guess is it will be a couple turns or an overnight.
I doubt they will find a 4 day for me that fits right in there.

In my bid I asked for the weekend of 23-25 off for the cedar mills fly in and as many weekend days off as possible.
I have 13 days off and I can choose to fly on 5 of them for OT if I want.

So if I want the priority to be time off, there it is, if I want the priority to be money, I can make that happen too.
But as it stands, this is typical. 12 days off min, 10 nights in hotels and weekends at home with my family.

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EDIT: And the 1st - 9th is going to be really tough. Really the whole first half of Jan looks hard.

But on the flip side there is a chance that I will be off from the 15th through the 25th. It all balances out.
 
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I meant credit, not block. Are you able to get much above guarantee?
On reserve I block well below guarantee, so without doing anything extra I’d just credit guarantee. Picking up OT is what pushes me above it.
 
On reserve I block well below guarantee, so without doing anything extra I’d just credit guarantee. Picking up OT is what pushes me above it.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. It varies so much from contract to contract. How much above guarantee are you comfortable that you can reliably credit?

I'm an airline pilot. I only care about credit hours, not block hours! You've been on the line long enough to have learned that by now! LOL
 
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. It varies so much from contract to contract. How much above guarantee are you comfortable that you can reliably credit?

I'm an airline pilot. I only care about credit hours, not block hours! You've been on the line long enough to have learned that by now! LOL

I care about both for about 7 more months then I only care about credit.

At my current rate of block hours I'll hit the 750 in July which triggers the captain pay benefit for first officers.

Any OT I pick up gets credited on top of a guarantee even if I block less than the guarantee. It seems like I can pretty reliably snag about 20 additional hours each month from the OT list.
 
This process reminds me a little bit of what I remember from friends who were in 4H. They would have a schedule for when the cows ate grass and when grain so that they get the best marbling and yield at the end.
 
I gotta say.. After watching your vids and getting caught up on the posts here, combined with the ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE holiday schedule I've been working (in IT), making 'the leap' is looking better and better. Heck after my "At 11am, book a 3pm flight the same day to go to site to cover someone else's eff-up by working overnight to get home at 3pm Christmas eve after working 30 hours straight", if I wasn't cross-eyed and half-zombie at the time, I would have bought the Commercial and ATP study books right then!

I get it - the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence when the grass you're in is covered in poop, but the line in one of your earlier vids about "When I'm home, I'm 'home' - no emails, nobody calling me on weekends, etc." REALLY hits home. I'm glad to hear it's still working out for you and glad you're sharing the 'not so glamorous' side of things, too.
 
I gotta say.. After watching your vids and getting caught up on the posts here, combined with the ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE holiday schedule I've been working (in IT), making 'the leap' is looking better and better. Heck after my "At 11am, book a 3pm flight the same day to go to site to cover someone else's eff-up by working overnight to get home at 3pm Christmas eve after working 30 hours straight", if I wasn't cross-eyed and half-zombie at the time, I would have bought the Commercial and ATP study books right then!

I get it - the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence when the grass you're in is covered in poop, but the line in one of your earlier vids about "When I'm home, I'm 'home' - no emails, nobody calling me on weekends, etc." REALLY hits home. I'm glad to hear it's still working out for you and glad you're sharing the 'not so glamorous' side of things, too.

You also live in a good domicile for a certain triangular-logo airline.
 
You also live in a good domicile for a certain triangular-logo airline.

And have several connections involved in various aspects of said triangular-logo airline..
 
I gotta say.. After watching your vids and getting caught up on the posts here, combined with the ABSOLUTELY MISERABLE holiday schedule I've been working (in IT), making 'the leap' is looking better and better. Heck after my "At 11am, book a 3pm flight the same day to go to site to cover someone else's eff-up by working overnight to get home at 3pm Christmas eve after working 30 hours straight", if I wasn't cross-eyed and half-zombie at the time, I would have bought the Commercial and ATP study books right then!

I get it - the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence when the grass you're in is covered in poop, but the line in one of your earlier vids about "When I'm home, I'm 'home' - no emails, nobody calling me on weekends, etc." REALLY hits home. I'm glad to hear it's still working out for you and glad you're sharing the 'not so glamorous' side of things, too

The downside is really the days like today where I finished at 10:00 in the morning and I'm in Asheville North Carolina on a Friday and my whole family's at home. I get home at noon on Sunday.

The nights away don't particularly bother me but when I have an entire day to myself and my family is not with me it's kind of lonely. It doesn't happen all that often and I will adapt but I'm also trying not to spend a lot of money so I basically look for interesting places to walk.

I still prefer this life to my other one and let's be honest this is where I'm staying it's not like there's any lack of entertainment.

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But I would prefer to get in at like 10:00 p.m. and just go to the hotel and go to bed. The long days aren't my favorite.

But still not answering emails or worried about the phone ringing because I've got work to do so even the worst part of it is pretty relaxing.
 
I hear that one pays really well.
And is a great place to work.

@CJones the hardest part about getting hired is getting an interview. If you know people, you're 100x more likely to get the interview. Knowing people AND living in base? You've got it made. Do it. There's an awful lot of us recovering IT professionals in the industry.
 
And is a great place to work.

@CJones the hardest part about getting hired is getting an interview. If you know people, you're 100x more likely to get the interview. Knowing people AND living in base? You've got it made. Do it. There's an awful lot of us recovering IT professionals in the industry.The first step is admitting you have an IT problem.
The first step is admitting that you have an IT problem.

"Hi my name is Bryan and I'm a software engineer"

"Welcome Bryan"

7 months sober IT Free today.
 
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