Mid-life Career Change to Airline Pilot. It's Doable.

Knowing that you have to pay for your own hat and realizing that nobody wears the hat and if people do wear the hat they're getting hazed ...
Humph. When I was with the airlines we HAD to wear hats. I hated it and it was part of the reasons I left. I felt like a pencil with a nickel balanced on top that would fall off every time I picked up my flight bag.
 
Humph. When I was with the airlines we HAD to wear hats. I hated it and it was part of the reasons I left. I felt like a pencil with a nickel balanced on top that would fall off every time I picked up my flight bag.
I really wanted to like the hat. I was actually excited to buy it and then I heard these people in my class say okay everyone you're going to buy the hat you're going to take a photo in it you're going to let your mom or your wife see you in it and then you're going to put it on a shelf.

I really thought to myself you know what I'm an adult I don't have much ego I'll just wear the hat and then I put it on and looked at myself and said "I'm never wearing this again."

The hat makes the uniform feel like a costume.

I'm starting to think Delta pilots might be required to wear the hat. Anytime I share a shuttle with Delta pilots they tend to all be wearing the hat.
 
Dude!!!!
What I've learned is the worst thing you can possibly do and will get you more hazed than anything else is wearing the hat.

Knowing that you have to pay for your own hat and realizing that nobody wears the hat and if people do wear the hat they're getting hazed makes me wish I hadn't bought it. That was an expensive hat that will never see the light of day! :)

Anytime I see a pilot wearing the hat my first thought is doesn't he know everyone's looking at him and thinking "Whoop Whoop! Hat Alert! We got a hat wearer in Bravo terminal!!!"
Really? I assumed you'd be required to wear the hat unless your were on the flight deck. When are you allowed to take the jacket off?

The pants? :biggrin:
 
Are you gonna grow a Tom Selleck mustache like all the regional kids seem to be doing these days?
I tried and it was unanimously shot down by everyone who saw it. Pilot mustaches at the schoolhouse are totally a thing and it's the weirdest thing to see just a classroom full of mustaches.
 
I'd say the best thing a pilot can do is pull up ground in ORD in Live ATC
Which ORD Ground frequency? 121.67, 121.75, 121.9, 118.45, 134.15, 124.12, or 118.05?

Good God it spews out so much paper.
Yeah, so much for the paperless cockpit!

I am still using pre printed pads I built in photoshop and had printed for me.
I use the sticky-note pads that are in the rooms at Westins. The size is just right to fit in a shirt pocket and the "sticky" part keeps it from falling off the yoke clip.

It's amazing how good you get when you fly several days per week, isn't it?
Yeah. Meanwhile, some GA pilots think we've forgotten how to fly because of the automation.

Gate to spot to standard taxi route.
DFW has the advantage of being a (relatively) modern clean design, like DEN. ORD opened in the mid-1950s with a spiral runway design that isn't suitable for today's volume. DFW also has one major airline hub, ORD has two.

My question for you, after landing, do you call Ramp for your entry spot before or after calling Ground?

I don't know what is going on at Chicago
There is one outbound flow and one inbound flow. These days, those flows keep changing because of the ongoing construction, but you pretty much just follow the guy in front of you, unless he's going to the other runway. With them landing on three runways, while departing two other runways, it looks chaotic. It's not. Just know that you're going to be told to monitor the runway's Tower frequency before crossing any of the five runways in use. Ground can cross you on runways that aren't being used. Also, you'll only get one crossing instruction at a time and be told to hold short of the next one until after you cross the first one.

I really wanted to like the hat
The probability of an airline pilot wearing his uniform hat is inversely proportional to the amount of hair that he has left.

I'm starting to think Delta pilots might be required to wear the hat
They are, all year. At UAL, the non long-haul crews don't have to wear the hat or jacket from April 15 - October 15. There are some who disregard this, and there isn't anyone of uniform police duty, but most comply.
 
My question for you, after landing, do you call Ramp for your entry spot before or after calling Ground?

It depends. If I have to cross a runway I'll be on ground first and I won't check with ramp until after we've crossed the runway.

If I don't, generally the captain will take ground and I will hop over to ramp to get my spot and the captain will relay that number to ground.

If for some reason we don't make contact with ramp, we can throw out a best guest spot number and amend it once we get the real one. So it's variable.
 
The hat thing is funny. That’s exactly how I feel about all the nerds with their floppy hats at Oshkosh. I wish it was openly shamed :D
 
Really? I assumed you'd be required to wear the hat unless your were on the flight deck. When are you allowed to take the jacket off?
I wish I had the picture I saw of a DC-6 flight crew in the cockpit of their plane, wearing the hat, tie, white shirt and jacket, and all in their boxers...

The radio vacuum tubes were right behind the captain and I was told they could really warm up the cockpit.
 
Dude!!!!
What I've learned is the worst thing you can possibly do and will get you more hazed than anything else is wearing the hat.

Knowing that you have to pay for your own hat and realizing that nobody wears the hat and if people do wear the hat they're getting hazed makes me wish I hadn't bought it. That was an expensive hat that will never see the light of day! :)

Anytime I see a pilot wearing the hat my first thought is doesn't he know everyone's looking at him and thinking "Whoop Whoop! Hat Alert! We got a hat wearer in Bravo terminal!!!"
Wear the hat. People talk to you less.

The hat thing is funny to me. When I started at the first pax 121 it was not optional. Just got used to always having it. Still wear it. Keeps my bald head dry when I’m waiting for the hotel van in the rain. Also a very convenient place for the watch and wallet in the hotel room. Hard to leave them behind if they are sitting in the hat. Plus lots of guys just assume you’re an ******* so it’s a good starting point at the beginning of a trip.
 
The first 10 years of my career the hat was mandatory, although it wasn’t enforced in the years before they made it optional.

It used to be the rebels that didn’t wear the hat.

Now you’re a rebel if you DO wear the hat.
 
Wear the hat. People talk to you less.
But pax may talk to you more (if you allow them to get close enough).
... Also a very convenient place for the watch and wallet in the hotel room. Hard to leave them behind if they are sitting in the hat.
Just don't forget your hat when you leave the hotel.
Plus lots of guys just assume you’re an ******* so it’s a good starting point at the beginning of a trip.
Brilliant bit of career advice right there.

My personal experiences and observations over the course of a 40-year airline career (take it for what it may be worth):

When I first started flying the line, my attitude toward the uniform was, in a word, ambivalent, and my hat saw very little action unless a Chief Pilot or DO was reported to be lurking in the vicinity. My personal fashion sensibilities favored Margaritaville-style comfort over sartorial splendor. Besides, in full regalia I felt sheepishly like a banana republic generalissimo. But by my 20th year in the industry, my perspective had changed. It had become apparent that the uniform--especially when wearing the jacket and hat--had a favorable effect, sometimes subtle, sometimes profound, on the way that I was perceived and treated by others. The full uniform had a noticeable effect on interactions with security, customs & immigration, customer service, and other non-pilot personnel (especially overseas). Most importantly perhaps, it had a strong influence on the way that I was perceived by the people who pay us and who trust us with the most precious thing that they have in all the world, and who need to believe that we are competent professionals who strive for excellence in the performance of our jobs. All of that regalia signifies to them that we are worthy of their trust and confidence, and better allows them to actually "sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight" instead of worrying that some carelessly-dressed buffoon will negligently push the wrong button (so to speak) and spread their personal molecules all over a smoking debris field.

And I find myself subject to the same phenomenon--when I see a poorly-dressed pilot, a dubious specimen dragging himself down the concourse stuffed like a sausage into a threadbare shirt two-sizes too small, with no undershirt of course, his beer belly spilling down over the beltline of his ill-fitting trousers, shuffling along in scuffed-up shoes that haven't been shined since the Clinton administration, no jacket, no hat, clip-on tie hanging askew from one side of his unbuttoned collar and so on (you get the picture and yes there really are a few like him). Well, let's just say that I am not given a favorable impression regarding the individual's competence and professionalism. And that would be just a superficial impression reflective of my own sensibilities and biases if it weren't for the fact that I have actually flown with such characters and found that the manner in which they perform their duties tends to correlate.

All in all, I do believe this was the hardest thing I have done in my life
But my point is really directed at the OP* with regard to the discussion about wearing hats, the plusses and minuses thereof, and the uniform in general. SixPapaCharlie, you earned the right to wear that uniform. It's not a participation trophy that you got just because you clocked-in. And you have the right to be proud to wear it, with or without the hat. To others, it's a symbol of your competence, professionalism, and dedication, and it if not for yourself, wear it for them.

But WTF, I'm just SGOTI and probably the ******* that Tarheel Pilot was referring to.

*Congratulations, BTW, and welcome to a great profession.
 
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Well, let's just say that I am not given a favorable impression regarding the individual's competence and professionalism.

Attire is a form of communication. Think about your audience (customers should be primary, then management, then support personnel and coworkers) and the message you want them to receive.

Slightly off topic, but in general I wish hats were still considered a normal part of business attire. If God had meant for me to go hat-less, he would have given me hair. Unfortunately, JFK ruined it for all of us.
 
This goes here.


"Why?" You may ask

Men Without Hats

Also, "Safety Dance" sounds like something 121 pilots do when they first get up in the morning :biggrin:
 
Also, "Safety Dance" sounds like something 121 pilots do when they first get up in the morning :biggrin:
More like, waking-up in a hotel room, urgently having to urinate, can’t remember where the bathroom is and can’t find a light switch as desperate seconds tick away. That’s the morning dance.
 
You ain’t Nuthin until you get a USAF Wheel Hat with Farts and Darts. Especially the Ice Cream Suit version.
 
When I first started flying the line, my attitude toward the uniform was, in a word, ambivalent, and my hat saw very little action unless a Chief Pilot or DO was reported to be lurking in the vicinity. My personal fashion sensibilities favored Margaritaville-style comfort over sartorial splendor. Besides, in full regalia I felt sheepishly like a banana republic generalissimo. But by my 20th year in the industry, my perspective had changed. It had become apparent that the uniform--especially when wearing the jacket and hat--had a favorable effect, sometimes subtle, sometimes profound, on the way that I was perceived and treated by others. The full uniform had a noticeable effect on interactions with security, customs & immigration, customer service, and other non-pilot personnel (especially overseas). Most importantly perhaps, it had a strong influence on the way that I was perceived by the people who pay us and who trust us with the most precious thing that they have in all the world, and who need to believe that we are competent professionals who strive for excellence in the performance of our jobs. All of that regalia signifies to them that we are worthy of their trust and confidence, and better allows them to actually "sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight" instead of worrying that some carelessly-dressed buffoon will negligently push the wrong button (so to speak) and spread their personal molecules all over a smoking debris field.

This is really well written and a great set of perspectives that I can relate to. I still find myself more comfortable in a polo than a button up shirt when I can get away with it, but I do appreciate those who pay attention to the attire. I think that's not just the trappings of it, but it's a demonstration that someone has an attention to detail, a regular routine, and enough skill at time management to be able to put it together. For a lot of occupations, those things might not matter that much. But you're absolutely right - if the guy flying the plane looks like he was in a rush, or forgot something, or isn't paying attention, I'm wondering a bit more if he actually knows how much gas is in the plane. Or will notice the difference between the taxiway and the runway.
 
Indeed. And I would love to see some airline pilots try to haze this guy for wearing a hat.
Im sure they would, lotta this aint the military sentiment on the job. Fighter guys are frequently memed on. Even at delta where i gotta wear the goofy hat the culture generally is anti hat anti horse blanket double breasted blazer.
 
You ain’t Nuthin until you get a USAF Wheel Hat with Farts and Darts. Especially the Ice Cream Suit version.

I was never a fan of summer or dress whites, OTOH, I always thought we looked sharp in SDBs. (Navy)
 
This is really well written and a great set of perspectives that I can relate to. I still find myself more comfortable in a polo than a button up shirt when I can get away with it, but I do appreciate those who pay attention to the attire. I think that's not just the trappings of it, but it's a demonstration that someone has an attention to detail, a regular routine, and enough skill at time management to be able to put it together. For a lot of occupations, those things might not matter that much. But you're absolutely right - if the guy flying the plane looks like he was in a rush, or forgot something, or isn't paying attention, I'm wondering a bit more if he actually knows how much gas is in the plane. Or will notice the difference between the taxiway and the runway.
Thank you for the feedback. I think that the takeaway is that, on the flighdeck, details matter--a lot. And if, as Half Fast said, "attire is a form of communication," one might interpret carelessness about one's appearance as an indication that details don't matter much to that individual.
 
Dude!!!!
What I've learned is the worst thing you can possibly do and will get you more hazed than anything else is wearing the hat.

Knowing that you have to pay for your own hat and realizing that nobody wears the hat and if people do wear the hat they're getting hazed makes me wish I hadn't bought it. That was an expensive hat that will never see the light of day! :)

Anytime I see a pilot wearing the hat my first thought is doesn't he know everyone's looking at him and thinking "Whoop Whoop! Hat Alert! We got a hat wearer in Bravo terminal!!!"
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I don't like wearing the hat or the tie. But, you have to pic your battles. This one isn't worth fighting. I wear my uniform as I'm supposed to wear it.

I only don't like the hat.
What I do like is we have the option for a really nice leather jacket we can wear in place of the standard Navy one.
If / When I upgrade, that is going to be my gift to myself (Also a 65 Mustang) but the Leather jacket for sure. They are spendy but look cool.

I survived my first line check yesterday. Sat complete, only minor debrief items so I am starting to feel like this is real.
 
The problem I had with the leather jacket, at previous airlines, was that they were too hot in the terminal and we had to wear either the blazer or the leather jacket during the winter months. They are great while you're outside, though.
 
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