BasicMed doc needed--Monterey/Santa Cruz CA area

Half Fast said:
1) You have not proven an illegal action.
2) Having a medical withdrawn most certainly eliminates your ability to use Basic Med. The law is very clear on that point. You can keep denying that fact, but your denial doesn't make it so. This has been explained to you over and over, but you keep ignoring it.
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My Medical has never been Withdrawn or Revoked!
 
captainbobwalsh said:
My Medical has never been Withdrawn or Revoked!
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Which isn't the issue. Your SI is. And you seem to have a significant reading comprehension problem. I get that you think the FAA and the airport manager are out to get you. But what possible reason could a bunch of strangers have for all giving you the same bad information?

Lindberg said:
Alright then. Since you don't believe anyone here or the regulation itself, maybe you'll believe AOPA:


"To be eligible for BasicMed, an airman must have held a valid medical certificate at any point after July 14, 2006. The most recent medical certificate may be expired but cannot have been suspended or revoked. Additionally, the most recent application cannot have been submitted and denied. Finally, if on a special issuance medical certificate, the most recent authorization must not have been withdrawn."

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Cutting the Strings

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Half Fast said:
Ever since the federal law said Basic Med exams have to be done by a state-licensed physician. The states license physicians, not the feds, so the state gets to decide who is a physician. And we're talking Basic Med here, so there isn't any paperwork submitted to the FAA. The exam record is kept in the pilot's logbook and doesn't go to the FAA.



Since the FAA receives no medical paperwork for Basic, just confirmation of completing the required course, how would they dispute it? AFAIK, there is no provision in the law for the FAA to dispute anything related to a Basic Med issuance. Basic Med is NOT an FAA medical; it's an alternative to a medical and largely out of the FAA's hands.
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Therefore, just because when you look at my medical information and it says no medical information available, that does not mean that I lost my basic med. All it means is what you want to read it to mean. I don’t have to convince you that I am flying on my basic med legally, I have to convince a federal judge. And within 48 hours after I get That letter from the FAA and I will.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
Therefore, just because when you look at my medical information and it says no medical information available, that does not mean that I lost my basic med. All it means is what you want to read it to mean. I don’t have to convince you that I am flying on my basic med legally, I have to convince a federal judge. And within 48 hours after I get That letter from the FAA and I will.
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Ya know, not every post in this thread is about you. In fact, most of the thread isn't about you. But no, you don't have to convince us you're flying legally, and you never will. Good luck with that judge.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Yes. When you take the course, there is a place where you enter the date of the exam and the identity and state license number of the physician. How much of that the FAA receives beyond the two dates (CMEC and course completion dates), I don't know.
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Per 14 CFR 68.3(b), the FAA gets all of that information sent in batch from the course providers when you complete the knowledge check, make your attestations, and get your course certificate. This is sequentially a good reason to do the course after doing comprehensive medical exam so the FAA has a record that you had your exam.
 
My BasicMed doc is a urgent care doc that I see every 4 years. My primary doesn't do BasicMed.

It's really not hard to find a doctor that does though. Just call around.
 
Brad Z said:
This is sequentially a good reason to do the course after doing comprehensive medical exam so the FAA has a record that you had your exam
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I’ve done both AOPA and Mayo. You can’t complete the exam without process without the CMES information. If you don’t have it, it will be saved until you do.

Although, several times, the FAA has not had my most current CMES date.
 
midlifeflyer said:
I’ve done both AOPA and Mayo. You can’t complete the exam without process without the CMES information. If you don’t have it, it will be saved until you do.

Although, several times, the FAA has not had my most current CMES date.
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Yep, It happens. If you happened to be ramp checked and the inspector didn't see a CMEC in the system within the last four years, he or she would ask you to send proof of the most recent one that hadn't been reported when the most recent course was completed.
 
Lindberg said:
Ya know, not every post in this thread is about you. In fact, most of the thread isn't about you. But no, you don't have to convince us you're flying legally, and you never will. Good luck with that judge.
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I’ll let you know!
Pilot’s should have BOTH class and Basic Meds.
 
Brad Z said:
Per 14 CFR 68.3(b), the FAA gets all of that information sent in batch from the course providers when you complete the knowledge check, make your attestations, and get your course certificate. This is sequentially a good reason to do the course after doing comprehensive medical exam so the FAA has a record that you had your exam.
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Thanks, Brad.

It would appear, then, that the FAA knows about chiropractic physicians giving Basic Med exams and has no objection, or at least no means to object as the law is written.
 
Half Fast said:
Thanks, Brad.

It would appear, then, that the FAA knows about chiropractic physicians giving Basic Med exams and has no objection, or at least no means to object as the law is written.
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As long as a chiro is considered a physician in the state in which they are licensed, the exam is compliant with the requirements of BasicMed. From a consumer perspective, whether you consider a chiropractor to be the best person to evaluate one's fitness for flight is up to debate, but that's a completely different discussion. As far as BasicMed is concerned, that issue was settled by Congress.
 
Brad Z said:
From a consumer perspective, whether you consider a chiropractor to be the best person to evaluate one's fitness for flight is up to debate, but that's a completely different discussion.
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Agreed, and highly case dependant.

For me, I see my primary doc twice a year, and from him I get a thorough exam including labs, EKG, and chest xray. But he doesn't want to do Basic Med. His exam is thorough enough that the Basic Med exam is superfluous, so I'm comfortable going to the most convenient doc who's willing to do it.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
My latest second class physical was in October 2021. It was issued on December 07,2021 and was valid for two years. It had a deferral letter for prostrate cancer that was issued for five years ending in December, 2025. On February 10, 2022 the Airport manager in the FSDO conspired and criminally acted to deny my rights to pilot an aircraft by submitting a known false statement to the Nashua NH, Flight Surgeon. As my MEDICAL was issued on December 7, 2021, they could not deny it, so they illegally withdrew my deferral. This does not affect my Basic Med.
As I have no need for a class physical, I am staying with my Primary Care Physician issuing my basic med.
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Yes, it does, in fact, affect your BasicMed.

I have news for you. The FAA can defer/revoke your medical certificate anytime they want. There is no 60 day statute of limitations...especially not on a Special Issuance Medical Certificate.

What you call a "Deferral Letter" is what is called a "Special Issuance Authorization" letter.

Your medical was ISSUED on December 7th, 2021 and set to expire December 31st, 2023. The medical was still valid when they withdrew the Special Issuance Authorization, thus it was a legal withdrawal. Since your most recent SI Authorization has been withdrawn (legally or illegally, you would need a judge to determine the latter), you are not eligible for BasicMed, nor are you eligible for Sport Pilot privileges.

"No Medical Information Available" on the Airman Registry confirms this. If you were eligible for BasicMed and/or Sport Pilot privileges, it would show your most recently issued medical certificate class, dates, "Not valid for any class after", along with your BasicMed physical and course completion dates. Yours does not show any of that.

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captainbobwalsh said:
You should have BOTH WHEN YOU ARE QUALIFIED!
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No reason whatsoever to have both a medical certificate issued under Part 67 AND BasicMed. BasicMed was created as a lower medical standard solely to ease the medical hurdles on keeping private pilots in the air.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
I have the audio of that session.

The medical certificate was not withdrawn. The SI for cancer was withdrawn in an illegal attempt to deny my right to operate an aircraft. FISDO gave known false information to a federal agency. If you or I give false information to that same agency on our applications, it's a crime. This false information caused the FS to require a psych exam. I got the exam and gave it to my primary care physician, who issued my Basic Med. She renewed my medical for the next four years.
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The withdrawal of your SI invalidates the underlying medical certificate. It's the same as having your medical certificate revoked.

They withdrew it, more than likely, because the requested psych report never got submitted to the FAA within the allowed time frame, resulting in the SI withdrawal.

One of the requirements for BasicMed under 14 CFR § 61.23(c)(3)(ii) is that the most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance cannot have been withdrawn. Yours has been withdrawn. Therefore, you are not eligible to operate an aircraft under BasicMed.

Sport Pilot privileges are also off the table until you get this resolved.

They didn't just "attempt". They took away your privilege to operate an aircraft. As to whether the attempt was legal or illegal is up to a judge to decide. But as of now, you are not eligible to operate under BasicMed.
 
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Kenny Phillips said:
Can't find that in the regs. It must be with your FAA current medical info.
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This reminds me of a certain DPE I got into it with over BasicMed and Sport Pilot privileges. He kept arguing that a person on BasicMed or SP cannot act as pilot in command while they have "a known medical condition". I argued that 14 CFR § 61.53(c) applies 14 CFR § 61.53(b) to those using a US driver license to meet the medical requirements, where the only restriction is that no person can act as pilot in command while that person knows or has reason to know of any medical condition that would make the person unable to operate the aircraft in a safe manner.

He kept arguing "READ THE ENTIRE REGULAYSHUN!!!"

To which I kept arguing that 61.53(a) applies to those who hold a current medical certificate, and that 61.53(c) applies 61.53(b) to those operating with a US driver license, but without a current medical certificate. And he was just going to die on that hill..."READ THE ENTIRE REGULAYSHUN!!!"

I could not, for the life of me, get it through his head that the entire regulation is divided up into subsections that apply to different situations. He was not going to accept that medical certificates issued under Part 67, BasicMed, and Sport Pilot are just different medical standards, and that you had to be certifiable to 3rd class standards at all times while operating under one of the other two.
 
Mark K said:
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( I did actually have one of these, or rather, my dad did, long ago...throw them on a minibike with a flywheel clutch and an 13 year old is in heaven...
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Good times. I had a mini bike with a centrifugal clutch (no fancy torque convertor). Had a large gear on the rear wheel - didn't get max speed, but that thing could climb. I bought the frame, and then painted it classic Burnt Orange. Found and rebuilt a 5 HP Briggs, tossed the governor of course. Spend 5 more dollars for the "chrome rings" - made great compression, was a peppy engine (well, as much as a Briggs could be).
 
Jon Wilder said:
This reminds me of a certain DPE I got into it with over BasicMed and Sport Pilot privileges. He kept arguing that a person on BasicMed or SP cannot act as pilot in command while they have "a known medical condition". I argued that 14 CFR § 61.53(c) applies 14 CFR § 61.53(b) to those using a US driver license to meet the medical requirements, where the only restriction is that no person can act as pilot in command while that person knows or has reason to know of any medical condition that would make the person unable to operate the aircraft in a safe manner.

He kept arguing "READ THE ENTIRE REGULAYSHUN!!!"

To which I kept arguing that 61.53(a) applies to those who hold a current medical certificate, and that 61.53(c) applies 61.53(b) to those operating with a US driver license, but without a current medical certificate. And he was just going to die on that hill..."READ THE ENTIRE REGULAYSHUN!!!"

I could not, for the life of me, get it through his head that the entire regulation is divided up into subsections that apply to different situations. He was not going to accept that medical certificates issued under Part 67, BasicMed, and Sport Pilot are just different medical standards, and that you had to be certifiable to 3rd class standards at all times while operating under one of the other two.
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Confirmation bias can be a very strong barrier to accepting evidence that is contrary to one's beliefs.
 
Jon Wilder said:
Sounds like a blatant disregard for authority. Perhaps a sovereign citizen?

But..."i kN0Wz mA rYyYyYtEzZzZ!!!"
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Palmer pilot who flew with revoked credentials claimed to be 'free citizen,' feds say

Prosecutors say William Marsan argued that he is a "free citizen" so he did not need a pilot's license.
alaskapublic.org alaskapublic.org

"A Palmer man whose flight certificate was revoked after a near-collision last year is facing federal charges, after prosecutors say he continued to fly and made claims that he was a sovereign citizen."
 
And your point of this picture is? I doubt we'll get you to change your mind, so I'm going to be lazy and just repost Half Fast who said it as clearly as it could be said quite some time ago. Not much left to be said except will not be surprised when the YouTube videos come out. Sorry in advance...

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I suggest you read 14 CFR 61.23, paying particular attention to (c)(3)(ii) and (iii):


(ii) The most recently issued medical certificate—

(A) May include an authorization for special issuance;
(B) May be expired; and
(C) Cannot have been suspended or revoked.

(iii) The most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn; and



Your SI was pulled, and the FAA revoked your medical certificate. This is clearly stated in the letters you received. Basic Med is unavailable to you per both (ii)(C) and (iii).
 
captainbob is almost as entertaining as crashand burn. who presumable is still fighting high winds on the front range
 
@captainbobwalsh That is from FAA Order 2150.3C. It is an internal agency guidance document. Not a regulatory order. It does not carry the force of law. Courts generally view internal agency manuals as policy guidance rather than strict substantive laws that create enforceable private rights outside of due process and statutory limits.

Now...let's see if we can break this down for you.

First, what is "BasicMed"?

BasicMed is 14 CFR § 68 - "Requirements for Operating Certain Small Aircraft Without a Medical Certificate". Part 68 essentially regulates the process of obtaining BasicMed. Nothing more. We will refer to BasicMed as Part 68 throughout this post.

A private pilot operating an aircraft without a medical certificate issued under part 67 is regulated under 14 CFR § 61.113(i). 14 CFR § 61.113(i) requires that you meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

"A private pilot may act as pilot in command or serve as a required flight crewmember of an aircraft without holding a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter provided the pilot holds a valid U.S. driver's license, meets the requirements of § 61.23(c)(3), and complies with this section and all of the following limitations: (limitations irrelevant for this post).

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3) - A person using a U.S. driver's license to meet the requirements of paragraph (c) while operating under the conditions and limitations of §61.113(i) must meet the following requirements -

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(ii)(A) states that "the most recently issued medical certificate may include an Authorization for special issuance".

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii) states that "The most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn."

The FAA sent you a letter in April of 2022 that they are withdrawing your Authorization for Special Issuance for failure to provide requested information as outlined in their letter dated February 10th, 2022. In accordance with section 67.401(i)(4), you were also required to surrender any previously issued unexpired medical certificates that were issued to you under the authorization that has been withdrawn by the letter.

From this, we have ascertained that your most recent Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate has been withdrawn. Therefore, you no longer meet the requirements of §61.23(c)(3). Thus, you are not authorized to act as pilot in command of an aircraft in any capacity under §61.113(i). You are ineligible to operate an aircraft under BasicMed until you obtain a new Authorization for Special Issuance.

And yes...your airman registry profile says "No medical information available" because your most recently held Authorization for a Special Issuance was withdrawn. There is literally no way to remove information regarding a current medical certificate/BasicMed eligibility from the Airman Registry. It gets removed when the FAA takes it away from you.
 
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captainbobwalsh said:
AOPA BASIC MED FA QUESTIONS.

Should I plan to surrender my current unexpired medical certificate in order to fly under BasicMed to avoid possible future action by the FAA if something happens and my current medical application has not yet expired?

You are not required to surrender your valid medical certificate to fly under BasicMed. If you hold a valid medical certificate and also meet the requirements of BasicMed, you can choose to fly under the BasicMed rules. However, even if a pilot chooses to operate under BasicMed rules and is not exercising the privileges of his or her medical certificate, the FAA still has the authority to pursue enforcement action if there is evidence that the pilot does not meet the medical certification standards for that medical certificate. Generally speaking, a pilot who knows or has reason to know of any condition that would make them unsafe for flight must ground themselves whether they hold a medical certificate or fly under BasicMed. So, before you surrender any airman certificate, consider contacting an attorney experienced in aviation-related legal matters.

From February 10th, 2022, my second class medical was in my pocket and in full force until April 26th of 2022, when I voulentunally surrendered it. The medical was not revoked, suspended, or withdrawn, Period.
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Except your Authorization For Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate WAS withdrawn due to failure to submit requested medical information, as evidenced by the letter dated April 26th, 2022. In that same letter, you were required to surrender any medical certificates issued under that withdrawn authorization IAW 14 CFR 67.401(i)(4).


14 CFR 67.401(i) said:
If an Authorization or SODA is withdrawn under paragraph (f) of this section, the following procedures apply:
(4) A medical certificate rendered invalid pursuant to a withdrawal, in accordance with paragraph (a) of this section, shall be surrendered to the Administrator upon request.
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This right here confirms that a medical certificate issued under an Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate is rendered invalid once the Authorization it was issued under is withdrawn.


14 CFR 67.401(f) said:
An Authorization or SODA granted under the provisions of this section to a person who does not meet the applicable provisions of subparts B, C, or D of this part may be withdrawn, at the discretion of the Federal Air Surgeon, at any time if -
(4) The holder fails to provide medical information reasonably needed by the Federal Air Surgeon for certification under this section;
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Your failure to provide requested medical information reasonably needed by the Federal Air Surgeon, requested in the letter dated February 10th, 2022, is what got your Authorization withdrawn.

You didn't voluntarily do anything. The FAA requested the surrender of the medical certificate(s) that were rendered invalid pursuant to the Authorization withdrawal. You were required to surrender it under 14 CFR 67.401(i)(4).

The FAA sent you a letter requesting medical information to determine medical certification eligibility under 14 CFR §67.401. You thought you'd be slick by ignoring the letter, getting on BasicMed and calling it a day. As a result, you got your Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate withdrawn, which invalidated your current medical certificate, and concurrently, your BasicMed eligibility.

Now...had you sent them the information, and they determined that all was good, all you would have had to do was comply with the Authorization until your medical certificate expired, don't apply for a new one, don't go see the AME for an interim one, THEN walk away from it, fly on BasicMed, and never look back unless you develop any of the listed conditions requiring a one time Authorization under Part 68.

Your path back is to go back to the AME you had the Authorization with, get it resolved and a new Authorization/certificate issued. Then...follow these steps -
(1) Comply with the Authorization until the medical certificate expires.
(2) DO NOT apply for a new medical certificate. DO NOT see your AME for an interim medical certificate.
(3) Once your medical certificate is expired, notify your AME in writing that (a) you will NOT be seeking a medical certificate at this time, and (b) revoke any and all prior authorizations to share your protected health information with any agencies outside of their practice (this includes the FAA). As you would no longer have a medical certificate issued under Part 67, the Federal Air Surgeon has no reasonable need to see your protected health information to determine eligibility under Part 67.
(4) Download the FAA Comprehensive Medical Examination Checklist (CMEC) from the FAA BasicMed website. Fill out the first part.
(5) Go see your state licensed physician for a CMEC exam (bring the CMEC checklist with you) and complete the BasicMed online course on the AOPA BasicMed or Mayo Clinic BasicMed site (get the exam done first).
 
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Jon Wilder said:
Except your Authorization For Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate WAS withdrawn due to failure to submit requested medical information, as evidenced by the letter dated April 26th, 2022. In that same letter, you were required to surrender any medical certificates issued under that withdrawn authorization IAW 14 CFR 67.401(i)(4).




This right here confirms that a medical certificate issued under an Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate is rendered invalid once the Authorization it was issued under is withdrawn.




Your failure to provide requested medical information reasonably needed by the Federal Air Surgeon, requested in the letter dated February 10th, 2022, is what got your Authorization withdrawn.

You didn't voluntarily do anything. The FAA requested the surrender of the medical certificate(s) that were rendered invalid pursuant to the Authorization withdrawal. You were required to surrender it under 14 CFR 67.401(i)(4).

The FAA sent you a letter requesting medical information to determine medical certification eligibility under 14 CFR §67.401. You thought you'd be slick by ignoring the letter, getting on BasicMed and calling it a day. As a result, you got your Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate withdrawn, which invalidated your current medical certificate, and concurrently, your BasicMed eligibility.

Now...had you sent them the information, and they determined that all was good, all you would have had to do was comply with the Authorization until your medical certificate expired, don't apply for a new one, don't go see the AME for an interim one, THEN walk away from it, fly on BasicMed, and never look back unless you develop any of the listed conditions requiring a one time Authorization under Part 68.

Your path back is to go back to the AME you had the Authorization with, get it resolved and a new Authorization/certificate issued. Then...follow these steps -
(1) Comply with the Authorization until the medical certificate expires.
(2) DO NOT apply for a new medical certificate. DO NOT see your AME for an interim medical certificate.
(3) Once your medical certificate is expired, notify your AME in writing that (a) you will NOT be seeking a medical certificate at this time, and (b) revoke any and all prior authorizations to share your protected health information with any agencies outside of their practice (this includes the FAA). As you would no longer have a medical certificate issued under Part 67, the Federal Air Surgeon has no reasonable need to see your protected health information to determine eligibility under Part 67.
(4) Download the FAA Comprehensive Medical Examination Checklist (CMEC) from the FAA BasicMed website. Fill out the first part.
(5) Go see your state licensed physician for a CMEC exam (bring the CMEC checklist with you) and complete the BasicMed online course on the AOPA BasicMed or Mayo Clinic BasicMed site (get the exam done first).
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the FAA still has the authority to pursue enforcement action if there is evidence that the pilot does not meet the medical certification standards for that medical certificate.
The FAA always has the authority to pursue enforcement action on anyone if there is residents that the pilot does not meet the medical standards of that certificate including basic med. The question is how do they go about doing that legally? The answer is through an Emergency Order.
a. Criteria for Emergency Action.


(1) Emergency action is taken only when: (i) the certificate holder lacks qualifications; there is a reasonable basis to question whether the certificate holder is qualified to hold the certificate; or the certificate holder does not comply with statutory or regulatory requirements to cooperate with the FAA; and (ii) the certificate holder is reasonably able to exercise the privileges of the certificate.

(1) Enforcement counsel does not allege a lack of qualifications to avoid dismissal of charges under the NTSB’s stale complaint rule.

(2) If FAA personnel know that a certificate holder lacking qualifications is unable to exercise the privileges of the certificate, enforcement counsel issues a notice proposing certificate action in accordance with the notice procedures in paragraphs 14 and 15, below. For example, enforcement counsel issues a notice proposing certificate action if the certificate holder is imprisoned. But for the circumstance discussed in paragraph 13.a.(3), below, enforcement counsel generally issues a notice proposing certificate action involving the revocation of a pilot certificate when the certificate holder is required to but does not hold or is medically incapable of
exercising the privileges of a valid medical certificate. In those circumstances, enforcement counsel notifies the Aerospace Medical Certification Division (AAM-300) to flag the certificate holder’s medical certification file and to advise counsel immediately if a new medical certificate is issued to the airman. If a medical certificate is subsequently issued to the airman, enforcement counsel issues an emergency order to replace the notice.

(3) Emergency action is appropriate when the holder of a pilot certificate who lacks qualifications to hold that certificate and is required to, but does not, hold a valid medical certificate operates an aircraft. In addition, emergency action is appropriate when the holder of a pilot certificate who lacks qualifications to hold that certificate has met the medical education and examination requirements for operating certain small aircraft without an airman medical certificate under 14 C.F.R. part 68.

My Medical has never been denied by any FAA doctor. I have never received an emergency order from the FAA.
 
Jon Wilder said:
@captainbobwalsh That is from FAA Order 2150.3C. It is an internal agency guidance document. Not a regulatory order. It does not carry the force of law. Courts generally view internal agency manuals as policy guidance rather than strict substantive laws that create enforceable private rights outside of due process and statutory limits.

Now...let's see if we can break this down for you.

First, what is "BasicMed"?

BasicMed is 14 CFR § 68 - "Requirements for Operating Certain Small Aircraft Without a Medical Certificate". Part 68 essentially regulates the process of obtaining BasicMed. Nothing more. We will refer to BasicMed as Part 68 throughout this post.

A private pilot operating an aircraft without a medical certificate issued under part 67 is regulated under 14 CFR § 61.113(i). 14 CFR § 61.113(i) requires that you meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

"A private pilot may act as pilot in command or serve as a required flight crewmember of an aircraft without holding a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter provided the pilot holds a valid U.S. driver's license, meets the requirements of § 61.23(c)(3), and complies with this section and all of the following limitations: (limitations irrelevant for this post).

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3) - A person using a U.S. driver's license to meet the requirements of paragraph (c) while operating under the conditions and limitations of §61.113(i) must meet the following requirements -

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(ii)(A) states that "the most recently issued medical certificate may include an Authorization for special issuance".

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii) states that "The most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn."

The FAA sent you a letter in April of 2022 that they are withdrawing your Authorization for Special Issuance for failure to provide requested information as outlined in their letter dated February 10th, 2022. In accordance with section 67.401(i)(4), you were also required to surrender any previously issued unexpired medical certificates that were issued to you under the authorization that has been withdrawn by the letter.

From this, we have ascertained that your most recent Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate has been withdrawn. Therefore, you no longer meet the requirements of §61.23(c)(3). Thus, you are not authorized to act as pilot in command of an aircraft in any capacity under §61.113(i). You are ineligible to operate an aircraft under BasicMed until you obtain a new Authorization for Special Issuance.

And yes...your airman registry profile says "No medical information available" because your most recently held Authorization for a Special Issuance was withdrawn. There is literally no way to remove information regarding a current medical certificate/BasicMed eligibility from the Airman Registry. It gets removed when the FAA takes it away from you.
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That is from FAA Order 2150.3C. It is an internal agency guidance document. Not a regulatory order. It does not carry the force of law. Courts generally view internal agency manuals as policy guidance rather than strict substantive laws that create enforceable private rights outside of due process and statutory limits.

Pilots must follow federal regulations. FAA agents must follow FAA orders.
 
aggiepack said:
I really admire the patience of the competent and knowledgeable folks like Jon Wilder to explain to captainbobwalsh the situation. But I believe all those efforts are in vain.
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Yeah. Like a "flat earther", Cap'n Bob tends to prove the earth is round with his evidence. I find it funny, as I'm in the same situation: if I let my SI lapse my medical is invalidated, and BM is off the table, as is MOSAIC.
It's sooooo simple, even a caveman can do it.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
if I let my SI lapse my medical is invalidated, and BM is off the table, as is MOSAIC.
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Not sure I understand what you're saying, or maybe you have an unusual situation. In general, a pilot is eligible for BasicMed or MOSAIC even if his special issuance medical certificate expires, just as long as the SI authorization is not withdrawn.

Tim
 
Kenny Phillips said:
Yeah. Like a "flat earther", Cap'n Bob tends to prove the earth is round with his evidence. I find it funny, as I'm in the same situation: if I let my SI lapse my medical is invalidated, and BM is off the table, as is MOSAIC.
It's sooooo simple, even a caveman can do it.
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You can let your SI lapse and still get Basic Med. You just can’t have your SI get revoked. I have a SI which has to be renewed yearly if I want to keep my Medical. AOPA informed me, and I read the reg to confirm, that once I don’t renew my Medical, and let the SI lapse, I can get Basic Med. The reason is that the Medical and SI were both current and neither were revoked,
 
jayhawk74 said:
You can let your SI lapse and still get Basic Med. You just can’t have your SI get revoked. I have a SI which has to be renewed yearly if I want to keep my Medical. AOPA informed me, and I read the reg to confirm, that once I don’t renew my Medical, and let the SI lapse, I can get Basic Med. The reason is that the Medical and SI were both current and neither were revoked,
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Careful.

Some, but not all, SIs require actions (like periodic testing) in order to remain in force during the period the medical is active. Failure to maintain the SI until the medical expires can cause the medical to be revoked. That would eliminate the Basic Med option.
 
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