BasicMed doc needed--Monterey/Santa Cruz CA area

Kenny Phillips said:
Say I want to hire a pilot for a family trust (this was a real thing at one point.)
I want to know the actual status of any pilot flying elderly loved ones around. Faking a medical certificate would be trivial.
Our flight school actual checks the pilot database. I can get vastly more invasive information about anyone using Google.
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I use the information the FAA publicly provides too. Very convenient for a quick look.

But, really, in the situation you posit, I would want to know a heck of a lot more about someone than their FAA medical certificate status.

Criminal history. Lots of collection lawsuits. Multiple evictions. But they have a Second Class medical, so they're good to go!

Clean all around, but maybe they forged their medical, so no way!
 
midlifeflyer said:
I use the information the FAA publicly provides too. Very convenient for a quick look.

But, really, in the situation you posit, I would want to know a heck of a lot more about someone than their FAA medical certificate status.

Criminal history. Lots of collection lawsuits. Multiple evictions. But they have a Second Class medical, so they're good to go!

Clean all around, but maybe they forged their medical, so no way!
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Oh, please. We did deep checks, but a typical BG check doesn't show a lot of things.
Some things just should be public record. And whether you have a valid medical, or not, is not your medical history and reveals nothing other than whether you have it or not.
 
The counter argument--

In general, actions that the government takes are a matter of public record. See something like the Freedom of Information Act. What the government releases has to balance privacy rights vs the public's right to access the actions of the government. The public does not have to establish a "need to know" justification to release that public record.

If you apply for a certification and supply personal and medical information to the government, and the government releases that information, then that is a clear violation of privacy laws.

But that's not what's happening here. The governement reviews your application, and then grants you a certification.

The certification is not a primary part of your personal or medical history. You did not discreetly provide the government with a personal and private certificate number.

No, you were granted a certificate by the government. The FAA is saying that the information they released is not a release of your information, but the release of information regarding an action that they took in the routine course of their legislative mandate, which is a matter of public record.

It's not as blatant a privacy violation as you're making it out to be.
 
Mark K said:
No, you were granted a certificate by the government. The FAA is saying that the information they released is not a release of your information, but the release of information regarding an action that they took in the routine course of their legislative mandate, which is a matter of public record.

It's not as blatant a privacy violation as you're making it out to be.
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You have to understand that the above is NOT THE LAW. The rule has nothing to do with how the government obtained the information. The rule is that if the government keeps a file on the individual, the Privacy Act puts specific rules on it. Not all information in the government's possession is "public information." FOIA contains exceptions and the Privacy Act adds protections.
 
But again, you didn't address my point. The government did not release any information you provided them. They only released information on an action they took. Just because the government takes action concerning a specific individual, this does not mean it's violating a privacy law.
 
I should say, "makes public an action they took concerning a specific individual..."
 
Half Fast said:
True, but it was sorta-kinda drifting in the vicinity of Basic Med. Now we're onto a legal discussion of federal privacy laws.
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With over 290 posts, you are expecting to stay even close to the original topic? Personally, I think the privacy implications of public disclosure of FAA medical status (including BasicMed) is closer to "BasicMed doc needed--Monterey/Santa Cruz CA area" than the complaints of a pilot who was enjoined from flying into a certain airport.
 
Half Fast said:
True, but it was sorta-kinda drifting in the vicinity of Basic Med. Now we're onto a legal discussion of federal privacy laws.
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The thread seems especially drifty considering that I, as the OP, had solved my little problem by the time we got to post #7. But I certainly have enjoyed keeping up with it.

Tim
 
timrb said:
The thread seems especially drifty considering that I, as the OP, had solved my little problem by the time we got to post #7. But I certainly have enjoyed keeping up with it.

Tim
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Stay tuned. In a few more pages we’ll be discussing leaning procedures for Briggs & Stratton powered lawn tractors mowing at elevations over 5000’
 
Part of the problem is that there aren't that many docs, as you've found out, who do BasicMed in Northern CA. I live in the foothills East of Sacramento, so I get it. If you find a good doc in Santa Cruz who does BasicMed, let me know. I would drive out there. The problem for Norcal, is that Norcal region health insurance is dominated by Kaiser. I like Kaiser, but as a policy Kaiser doesn't do certain types of nonmusical physicals, certifications and the like. One of those is BasicMed. Sigh. The minute you look for someone who is not officially your PCP everyone thinks you're trying to scam the system... It's almost easier to keep my 3rd class...
 
scourge of the auto correct...nonmedical....not nonmusical...
 
Half Fast said:
Stay tuned. In a few more pages we’ll be discussing leaning procedures for Briggs & Stratton powered lawn tractors mowing at elevations over 5000’
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I've been running this puppy LOP for as long as I can remember, Mike told me I could. Don't want to start a flame war though. What am I going to do when 100LL is gone and I only get 3.5hp...

( I did actually have one of these, or rather, my dad did, long ago...throw them on a minibike with a flywheel clutch and an 13 year old is in heaven...
 
Mark K said:
Part of the problem is that there aren't that many docs, as you've found out, who do BasicMed in Northern CA. I live in the foothills East of Sacramento, so I get it. If you find a good doc in Santa Cruz who does BasicMed, let me know. I would drive out there. The problem for Norcal, is that Norcal region health insurance is dominated by Kaiser. I like Kaiser, but as a policy Kaiser doesn't do certain types of nonmusical physicals, certifications and the like. One of those is BasicMed. Sigh. The minute you look for someone who is not officially your PCP everyone thinks you're trying to scam the system... It's almost easier to keep my 3rd class...
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IIRC, Nevada is one of the states that classifies chiropractors as physicians, and I have heard that chiropractors are more likely to be willing to do BasicMed exams than MDs are. Considering your location, maybe driving to Nevada would be an option.
 
Palmpilot said:
IIRC, Nevada is one of the states that classifies chiropractors as physicians, and I have heard that chiropractors are more likely to be willing to do BasicMed exams than MDs are. Considering your location, maybe driving to Nevada would be an option.
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Ohio also calls them physicians. I call them TBA-AAC, but that's just me.
 
Palmpilot said:
IIRC, Nevada is one of the states that classifies chiropractors as physicians,
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If a chiropractor is a physician then why not allow dentists, optometrists, and podiatrists do to full medical practice as well? What about those nice people giving free hearing tests at the mall?

Rant over.........:ihih:
 
Mark K said:
Part of the problem is that there aren't that many docs, as you've found out, who do BasicMed in Northern CA. I live in the foothills East of Sacramento, so I get it. If you find a good doc in Santa Cruz who does BasicMed, let me know. I would drive out there.
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Finding a qualified person for BasicMed exam is not that difficult.


For the Sacramento area I can recommend Dr. Alicia Tsounis, Roseville
 
Palmpilot said:
IIRC, Nevada is one of the states that classifies chiropractors as physicians, and I have heard that chiropractors are more likely to be willing to do BasicMed exams than MDs are. Considering your location, maybe driving to Nevada would be an option.
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That's a stretch. While the NRS allows those who are licensed to pracatice chiropractic medicine "chiropractic physicians," the term physician itself does not encompass them nor does it encompass Homeopathic Physicians, Podiatric Physicians. It's limited to those certified under 630 (MDs) or 633 (DOs).
 
flyingron said:
That's a stretch. While the NRS allows those who are licensed to pracatice chiropractic medicine "chiropractic physicians," the term physician itself does not encompass them nor does it encompass Homeopathic Physicians, Podiatric Physicians. It's limited to those certified under 630 (MDs) or 633 (DOs).
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Huh? The law, IIRC, says the Basic Med examiner must be a "state licensed physician," not necessarily an MD or DO.

A chiro did my last Basic Med exam here in Florida. Many chiropractors are performing Basic Med exams (as well as DOT exams). This is cut from the listing of Basic Med doctors from the AOPA physician finder, using my zip code. The top three names are chiropractors.

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If that's a problem, it's one that has been going on since the beginning of Basic Med, and I haven't noticed the FAA squawking about it. It's not like it's been kept under the table.
 
To be honest, a guy like me, a retired "we fly slow Cessnas for fun, I'm not applying to NASA" Basic Med could easily and effectively also be performed by a PA or PN.
 
WDD said:
To be honest, a guy like me, a retired "we fly slow Cessnas for fun, I'm not applying to NASA" Basic Med could easily and effectively also be performed by a PA or PN.
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Agreed. Wish it were allowed (and I think it is allowed for DOT exams).
 
Half Fast said:
Huh? The law, IIRC, says the Basic Med examiner must be a "state licensed physician," not necessarily an MD or DO.

A chiro did my last Basic Med exam here in Florida. Many chiropractors are performing Basic Med exams (as well as DOT exams). This is cut from the listing of Basic Med doctors from the AOPA physician finder, using my zip code. The top three names are chiropractors.
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We're not talking about FLORIDA. We're talking about NEVADA.

The state licensing laws in NEVADA defines the word "PHYSICIAN" as one complying with NRS 630 (MDs) or 633 (DOs). While the licensing laws allow chiropractors to advertise themselves as "chiropractic physicians" they are not physicians by the state licensing law.
 
flyingron said:
The state licensing laws in NEVADA defines the word "PHYSICIAN" as one complying with NRS 630 (MDs) or 633 (DOs).
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Could it be you're looking in the wrong section? Try NRS 634.

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The phrase "chiropractic physician" is used throughout the section.
 
To make a long story short: there are ample of options to get the BasicMed evaluation done. If in a particular state the regs exclude chiropractic physicians to issue the paperwork, see either the MD of your choice or cross the state border. Sometimes I am really astonished by the lack of flexibility.
 
Since when does the State have the right to interpret federal Law and decide who can submit paperwork for your medical? Go to your primary care physicians office and get the CMAC done and submitted it. When they issue the MEDICAL the FAA has 60 days to dispute it. If not disputed, then it’s good for four years.
 
Half Fast said:
Bob, is there any place you will listen to anyone else? Because no one here agrees with your position.

We have listened, and many of us have explained and demonstrated over and over why you are not permitted to use Basic Med. You seem unwilling to pay attention to anyone who disagrees with you, which is pretty much everyone.
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My latest second class physical was in October 2021. It was issued on December 07,2021 and was valid for two years. It had a deferral letter for prostrate cancer that was issued for five years ending in December, 2025. On February 10, 2022 the Airport manager in the FSDO conspired and criminally acted to deny my rights to pilot an aircraft by submitting a known false statement to the Nashua NH, Flight Surgeon. As my MEDICAL was issued on December 7, 2021, they could not deny it, so they illegally withdrew my deferral. This does not affect my Basic Med.
As I have no need for a class physical, I am staying with my Primary Care Physician issuing my basic med.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
Since when does the State have the right to interpret federal Law and decide who can submit paperwork for your medical?
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Ever since the federal law said Basic Med exams have to be done by a state-licensed physician. The states license physicians, not the feds, so the state gets to decide who is a physician. And we're talking Basic Med here, so there isn't any paperwork submitted to the FAA. The exam record is kept in the pilot's logbook and doesn't go to the FAA.

captainbobwalsh said:
When they issue the MEDICAL the FAA has 60 days to dispute it.
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Since the FAA receives no medical paperwork for Basic, just confirmation of completing the required course, how would they dispute it? AFAIK, there is no provision in the law for the FAA to dispute anything related to a Basic Med issuance. Basic Med is NOT an FAA medical; it's an alternative to a medical and largely out of the FAA's hands.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
...so they illegally withdrew my deferral. This does not affect my Basic Med.
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1) You have not proven an illegal action.
2) Having a medical withdrawn most certainly eliminates your ability to use Basic Med. The law is very clear on that point. You can keep denying that fact, but your denial doesn't make it so. This has been explained to you over and over, but you keep ignoring it.
 
Half Fast said:
Since the FAA receives no medical paperwork for Basic, just confirmation of completing the required course, how would they dispute it?
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Help my memory here. With Basic Med, didn’t I have to submit the physician’s name and ID number on line somewhere?
 
WDD said:
Help my memory here. With Basic Med, didn’t I have to submit the physician’s name and ID number on line somewhere?
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Yes, when you completed the class, but AFAIK that doesn’t go to the FAA. The course provider just notifies the FAA that you have completed the Basic Med process. @Brad Z would know for sure.
 
WDD said:
Help my memory here. With Basic Med, didn’t I have to submit the physician’s name and ID number on line somewhere?
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Yes. When you take the course, there is a place where you enter the date of the exam and the identity and state license number of the physician. How much of that the FAA receives beyond the two dates (CMEC and course completion dates), I don't know.
 
Half Fast said:
Could it be you're looking in the wrong section? Try NRS 634.


The phrase "chiropractic physician" is used throughout the section.
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I've read it. DId you bother to read my post:

The state licensing laws in NEVADA defines the word "PHYSICIAN" as one complying with NRS 630 (MDs) or 633 (DOs). While the licensing laws allow chiropractors to advertise themselves as "chiropractic physicians" they are not physicians by the state licensing law.
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"Physician" is defined earliler in the statues as:

"Physician" means a person who is licensed to practice medicine pursuant to chapter 630 of NRS or osteopathic medicine pursuant to chapter 633 of NRS.
 
flyingron said:
I've read it. DId you bother to read my post:



"Physician" is defined earliler in the statues as:

"Physician" means a person who is licensed to practice medicine pursuant to chapter 630 of NRS or osteopathic medicine pursuant to chapter 633 of NRS.
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Yes, I read it, and that definition applies within that section. 634, OTOH, regulates chiropractic physicians, and uses that term. Both constitute “state licensed physicians.”
 
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