BasicMed doc needed--Monterey/Santa Cruz CA area

Jon Wilder said:
@captainbobwalsh

Part 68 (BasicMed) simply prescribes the medical education and examination requirements for operating an aircraft under §61.113(i) without holding a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter.

14 CFR 61.113(i) requires that you meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii) states that your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn.

Your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate was withdrawn on April 12, 2022, by the FAA Office of Aerospace Medicine, as stated in the letter you posted.

Due to your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance being withdrawn, you do not meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3), as required by 14 CFR 61.113(i). Therefore, as per Part 68, you are not eligible to operate an aircraft under 14 CFR 61.113(i).

Period. End of story.
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Not quite!
Jon Wilder said:
@captainbobwalsh

Part 68 (BasicMed) simply prescribes the medical education and examination requirements for operating an aircraft under §61.113(i) without holding a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter.

14 CFR 61.113(i) requires that you meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii) states that your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn.

Your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance Medical Certificate was withdrawn on April 12, 2022, by the FAA Office of Aerospace Medicine, as stated in the letter you posted.

Due to your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance being withdrawn, you do not meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3), as required by 14 CFR 61.113(i). Therefore, as per Part 68, you are not eligible to operate an aircraft under 14 CFR 61.113(i).

Period. End of story.
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Not quite!
B. AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI).
AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI) is a process that provides Examiners the ability to re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization to an applicant who has a medical condition that is disqualifying under 14 CFR part 67.
An FAA physician provides the initial certification decision and grants the Authorization in accordance with 14 CFR § 67.401. The Authorization letter is accompanied by attachments that specify the information that treating physician(s) must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination. Examiners may not issue initial Authorizations. An Examiner's decision or determination is subject to review by the FAA.

Please note that the Certificate Issuance Coversheet is no longer required when submitting information.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
Not quite!

Not quite!
B. AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI).
AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI) is a process that provides Examiners the ability to re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization to an applicant who has a medical condition that is disqualifying under 14 CFR part 67.
An FAA physician provides the initial certification decision and grants the Authorization in accordance with 14 CFR § 67.401. The Authorization letter is accompanied by attachments that specify the information that treating physician(s) must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination. Examiners may not issue initial Authorizations. An Examiner's decision or determination is subject to review by the FAA.

Please note that the Certificate Issuance Coversheet is no longer required when submitting information.
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My primary care physician re-issued my special issuance. It expired in August of 2026.
 
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captainbobwalsh said:
AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI) is a process that provides Examiners the ability to re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization to an applicant who has a medical condition that is disqualifying under 14 CFR part 67.
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So you need an authorization for special issuance to utilize this process. You don't have an authorization unless you have been given one since April 12, 2022.

I just love this thread.

Tim
 
So you need an authorization for special issuance to utilize this process. You don't have an authorization unless you have been given one since April 12, 2022.

I just love this thread.

Tim
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I received my authorization for special issuance in December 2020. this was the reason for me to get my BasicMed along with my class medical.
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Having my BasicMed along with my class medical gave me the option to present either one. My answer to that false statement issued by the FSDO to the regional Flight Surgeon was to my Basic Med doctor.
wellknow said:
i’m getting my dentist to issue me my SI
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If you're in a state where the dentists are approved, don't you think they could look at a human being and give their assessment for the CMAC?
 
captainbobwalsh said:
So you need an authorization for special issuance to utilize this process. You don't have an authorization unless you have been given one since April 12, 2022.
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And it was withdrawn in 2022. It's clear that you don't think the fact that it was withdrawn means what I think it means. So what do you think it means that the FAA withdrew your Authorization for Special Issuance? In your mind, what was the effect of the FAA's withdrawing the Authorization?
 
captainbobwalsh said:
I received my authorization for special issuance in December 2020. this was the reason for me to get my BasicMed along with my class medical.
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Bob:

Thank you for the clarification. Unfortunately the special issuance authorization you were given in December 2020 was specifically withdrawn by the letter of April 12, 2022. (Most recently posted in post #431.)

So unless you received another special issuance authorization after 4/12/22 you are not eligible for BasicMed. Evidently you are flying without any medical certification--if that's so, you should stop. Otherwise the FAA will likely really clobber you.

Tim
 
OMG this guy is just talking in circles.

@captainbobwalsh thinks that because he obtained BasicMed BEFORE the withdrawal, that BasicMed supersedes the withdrawal.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS!!!

You received an Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate in December of 2020. This is your most recently issued Authorization for Special Issuance.

That Authorization was withdrawn by the FAA, in the letter dated April 12th, 2022.

In accordance with 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii), your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn.

In order to operate in accordance with 14 CFR 61.113(i) (BasicMed), you must meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

Due to your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate being withdrawn, you DO NOT currently meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

Therefore, you are not eligible to operate under 14 CFR 61.113(i) (BasicMed).
 
Wait, hold the phones. I found a vet who gives human special issuances!
im going to see if i can hire capn bob to negotiate a hangar lease with my aiport
manager. he seems to be very gifted at cutting thru red tape
 
captainbobwalsh said:
Not quite!

Not quite!
B. AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI).
AME Assisted Special Issuance (AASI) is a process that provides Examiners the ability to re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization to an applicant who has a medical condition that is disqualifying under 14 CFR part 67.
An FAA physician provides the initial certification decision and grants the Authorization in accordance with 14 CFR § 67.401. The Authorization letter is accompanied by attachments that specify the information that treating physician(s) must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination. Examiners may not issue initial Authorizations. An Examiner's decision or determination is subject to review by the FAA.

Please note that the Certificate Issuance Coversheet is no longer required when submitting information.
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Trust me @captainbobwalsh. I'm a hell of a lot more versed in the regs than you appear to be. I don't need you "educating" me.

YOUR AUTHORIZATION FOR SPECIAL ISSUANCE WAS WITHDRAWN IN 2022!!!

Remember this letter? Dated April 12th, 2022!? The very first sentence states -

"We are withdrawing your Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate Authorization dated December 7, 2020, in accordance with Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFRs), Section 67.401(f)(4)."

It then goes on to state -

"By virtue of your failure to provide requested information as outlined in our letter dated February 10, 2022, it has been determined that you are not qualified for any class of medical certificate at this time."

When the FAA requested that information, you only submitted it to your BasicMed doctor. You were supposed to submit it to the FAA. Not your BasicMed doctor. You failed to comply. Hence they withdrew your Authorization.

BasicMed isn't a "backup" for having your Authorization withdrawn. It only serves as a backup for when your medical certificate EXPIRES. That's it.

As long as you hold a valid medical certificate, you MUST comply with the Authorization. Only once the medical certificate EXPIRES can you walk away from the Authorization.

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Jon Wilder said:
Trust me @captainbobwalsh. I'm a hell of a lot more versed in the regs than you appear to be. I don't need you "educating" me.

YOUR AUTHORIZATION FOR SPECIAL ISSUANCE WAS WITHDRAWN IN 2022!!!

Remember this letter? Dated April 12th, 2022!? The very first sentence states -

"We are withdrawing your Authorization for Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate Authorization dated December 7, 2020, in accordance with Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFRs), Section 67.401(f)(4)."

It then goes on to state -

"By virtue of your failure to provide requested information as outlined in our letter dated February 10, 2022, it has been determined that you are not qualified for any class of medical certificate at this time."

When the FAA requested that information, you only submitted it to your BasicMed doctor. You were supposed to submit it to the FAA. Not your BasicMed doctor. You failed to comply. Hence they withdrew your Authorization.

BasicMed isn't a "backup" for having your Authorization withdrawn. It only serves as a backup for when your medical certificate EXPIRES. That's it.

As long as you hold a valid medical certificate, you MUST comply with the Authorization. Only once the medical certificate EXPIRES can you walk away from the Authorization.

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That letter was from the regional Flight surgeon who happens to be a co-conspirator with the FSDO in the NMAC in an attempt to deny me my right to fly. I have the right to give that medical evaluation to my primary care physician. She took that and she renewed my SI. I have been flying on that for the past four years and I will continue to do that until I can’t pass a basic med exam.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
That letter was from the regional Flight surgeon who happens to be a co-conspirator with the FSDO and the NMAC in an attempt to deny me my right to fly. I have the right to give that medical evaluation to my primary care physician. She took that and she renewed my SI. I have been flying on that for the past four years and I will continue to do that until I can’t pass a basic med exam.
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Are you an aviation attorney?
 
captainbobwalsh said:
She took that and she renewed my SI.
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Bob, is your personal physician also an FAA Aviation Medical Examiner? If not, she has no authority to renew an SI. If your SI had truly been renewed, the FAA pilot database would show you to be holding a medical. It does not.

You have posted the letter stating that your SI was withdrawn. If your SI was later reinstated, you received another letter from the FAA stating your eligibility. Why haven’t you posted that letter?
 
Half Fast said:
Bob, is your personal physician also an FAA Aviation Medical Examiner? If not, she has no authority to renew an SI. If your SI had truly been renewed, the FAA pilot database would show you to be holding a medical. It does not.

You have posted the letter stating that your SI was withdrawn. If your SI was later reinstated, you received another letter from the FAA stating your eligibility. Why haven’t you posted that letter?
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An FAA physician provides the initial certification decision and grants the Authorization in accordance with 14 CFR § 67.401. The Authorization letter is accompanied by attachments that specify the information that the treating physician must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination.
I do not want to fight for hire, and I sold my 402 due to this injustice.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate.....
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Yes, an Aviation Medical Examiner. Was your physician an AME? Simple question, only requires a yes or no.

And why haven’t you posted the reinstatement letter? You posted the withdrawal letter. So where’s the reinstatement letter the FAA sent you?
 
Half Fast said:
Yes, an Aviation Medical Examiner. Was your physician an AME? Simple question, only requires a yes or no.

And why haven’t you posted the reinstatement letter? You posted the withdrawal letter. So where’s the reinstatement letter the FAA sent you?
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NO!!!
if I was looking for a class, Medical I would have to go to a AME. I am not looking for a class MEDICAL. I was looking for a basic medical and my treating physician can re-issue that SI.
Are you an Aviation Attorney?
 
No, a non-AME physician cannot issue an SI. And when you get your SI reinstated, you get a letter from the FAA saying so. The latest letter you’ve shown us withdrew your SI, and that made you ineligible for Basic Med.

Bob, you clearly don’t understand how this works. Not one person in this thread has agreed with you, yet you stubbornly cling to your mistaken belief. Contributors to this thread have included AMEs, attorneys, and at least one FAA representative, but you ignore them all.

It seems to me that you’re not thinking clearly. Crashing an airplane by thoughtlessly failing to check the fuel is further evidence of that, and it’s fortunate that you didn’t kill yourself or someone else.

Please - even if you don’t care about your own wellbeing, stop flying before you injure or kill some innocent party. You’re no longer sharp enough to be in the air, and you have clearly demonstrated it.
 
Half Fast said:
Contributors to this thread have included AMEs,attorneys, and at least one FAA representative, but you ignore them all.
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Where are they now? Let them chime in.
captainbobwalsh said:
An FAA physician provides the initial certification decision and grants the Authorization in accordance with 14 CFR § 67.401. The Authorization letter is accompanied by attachments that specify the information that the treating physician must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination.
I do not want to fight for hire, and I sold my 402 due to this injustice.
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the treating physician must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination.

I will not go near AME ever again. I’m also not fond of Aviation Attorneys.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
That letter was from the regional Flight surgeon who happens to be a co-conspirator with the FSDO in the NMAC in an attempt to deny me my right to fly.
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You mean your PRIVILEGE to fly.

Doesn't matter whether it's from the RFS, the Dr who is the Manager of the Aerospace Medical Certification Division, or the Federal Air Surgeon herself. Anyone from the FAA who is authorized to act on behalf of the Federal Air Surgeon can withdraw an Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate.

captainbobwalsh said:
I have the right to give that medical evaluation to my primary care physician.
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Sure you do! You can give it to anyone you want. But you are also required to submit that requested report to the FAA when they requested it, which you failed to do. That is why your Authorization was withdrawn, as stated in the letter.

captainbobwalsh said:
She took that and she renewed my SI.
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She didn't renew your "SI" because she is not the AME who got your SI issued, so she does not have that authority. She renewed your BasicMed CMEC exam, but the withdrawal of your most recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate makes you unable to meet the requirements of 14 CFR §61.23(c)(3). That makes you ineligible to operate under 14 CFR §61.113(i), or in any other capacity as PIC.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
An FAA physician provides the initial certification decision and grants the Authorization in accordance with 14 CFR § 67.401. The Authorization letter is accompanied by attachments that specify the information that the treating physician must provide for the re-issuance determination. Examiners may re-issue an airman medical certificate under the provisions of an Authorization, if the applicant provides the requisite medical information required for determination.
I do not want to fight for hire, and I sold my 402 due to this injustice.
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Yes, and as long as you hold a valid medical certificate under that Authorization, you must comply with that Authorization, and you MUST submit medical information to the FAA upon request. You failed to do this. You only submitted it to your primary care doctor. You were required to submit it to the FAA, and you failed to do that. Thus they WITHDREW that Authorization letter.

That withdrawal of the Authorization letter means you no longer meet the requirements of 14 CFR §61.23(c)(3). Acting as PIC under 14 CFR §61.113(i) requires you to meet the requirements of 14 CFR §61.23(c)(3), and you no longer meet those requirements.

I bet if you were to call Oklahoma City and ask them if you are eligible for BasicMed, they will tell you that you are not eligible until you get a new Authorization for Special Issuance. I'm willing to bet money on it.

I would LOVE to tell you how to fix it but you'll never listen. I've explained it all and you refuse to listen so there's no point.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
NO!!!
if I was looking for a class, Medical I would have to go to a AME. I am not looking for a class MEDICAL. I was looking for a basic medical and my treating physician can re-issue that SI.
Are you an Aviation Attorney?
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That is such a cop out question. How on Earth could we ever be expected to comply with the federal aviation regulations if we all need to be attorneys to interpret them?

And what on Earth is a "class medical"? It's simply called a "medical certificate", and they're issued under 14 CFR §67.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
NO!!!
if I was looking for a class, Medical I would have to go to a AME. I am not looking for a class MEDICAL. I was looking for a basic medical and my treating physician can re-issue that SI.
Are you an Aviation Attorney?
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Please cite the regulation that allows a non-AME physician to re-issue an SI.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
That letter was from the regional Flight surgeon who happens to be a co-conspirator with the FSDO in the NMAC in an attempt to deny me my right to fly. I have the right to give that medical evaluation to my primary care physician. She took that and she renewed my SI. I have been flying on that for the past four years and I will continue to do that until I can’t pass a basic med exam.
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Oh, it's quite clear to me what that letter means.
It means that Cap'n Bob didn't supply the required information, thus you didn't fulfil the SI requirements, and it was withdrawn.
Thus you do not have a special issuance.
And to absolutely everyone here but you, it means that, as well.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
That letter was from the regional Flight surgeon who happens to be a co-conspirator
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That pretty much ends the thread far as I'm concerned. We are dealing with someone who sees a vast governmental conspiracy against him. Doing a rules analysis is as helpful as trying to convince a flat earther the world is round. Leave him alone.
 
Jon Wilder said:
That is such a cop out question. How on Earth could we ever be expected to comply with the federal aviation regulations if we all need to be attorneys to interpret them?

And what on Earth is a "class medical"? It's simply called a "medical certificate", and they're issued under 14 CFR §67.
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It’s simply called a basic med certificate and their issued under part 68.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
That’s why I elected not to give it to the FAA.
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Except that is what got your Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate withdrawn!

What part of "YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR BASICMED IF YOUR MOST RECENTLY ISSUED AUTHORIZATION FOR A SPECIAL ISSUANCE HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN" do you not understand? 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii) is VERY clear on this!

captainbobwalsh said:
It’s simply called a basic med certificate and their issued under part 68.
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There is no "BasicMed Certificate"!

Part 68 only outlines the medical examination and education requirements for operating under 14 CFR 61.113(i) without holding a medical certificate issued under Part 67.

14 CFR 61.113(i) requires that you meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3).

If your most recently issued medical certificate includes an Authorization for Special Issuance, 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3)(iii) requires that your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate cannot have been withdrawn.

Your most recently issued Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate was withdrawn on April 12th, 2022. Therefore, you do not meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3), which means you are ineligible to operate aircraft under 14 CFR 61.113(i).

Please tell me which part of this is not sinking in.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Doing a rules analysis is as helpful as trying to convince a flat earther the world is round.
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Fair point.

Bob, is the earth round or spherical?

Mark, I’m perfectly willing to leave him alone if he’ll ground himself before he kills someone. He destroyed a plane just a few months ago, remember. By the grace of God he was the only person harmed, and his injuries weren’t serious. That might not be the case next time.
 
How does insurance cover a PIC who has no valid medical or Basic Medical?
 
WDD said:
How does insurance cover a PIC who has no valid medical or Basic Medical?
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Interesting question, and perhaps more complex than it appears. My policy says "...for operations requiring a medical certificate..." It's possible that this particular "operation" didn't require a medical or Basic Med, if the plane was eligible for SP rules thanks to MOSAIC, but obviously we don't have a copy of the owner's policy to see just what it says.

That doesn't mean Bob was eligible to fly; he wasn't and isn't. But there might be wiggle room depending on exactly how the policy was worded that still allowed for a payout. And it's possible that the insurer would pay off in this instance, but then refuse to cover the owner in the future because he allowed a person to fly who had his medical withdrawn.

And, of course, we only have Bob's word that the insurance covered the crash, and we all know how Bob can be terribly confused about these things.

Many unknowns.
 
captainbobwalsh said:
That letter was from the regional Flight surgeon who happens to be a co-conspirator with the FSDO in the NMAC in an attempt to deny me my right to fly.
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iN aN aTtEmPt t0 dEnY mE mY rIgHt t0 fLy

You don't have a "right" to fly, you have a PRIVILEGE.

There was no "attempt". They flat out withdrew your most recent Authorization for Special Issuance because you failed to submit the requested information to the FAA. You felt they were going to pull your Authorization if you submitted it. Well guess what? They pulled it because you failed to submit it.

That revoked your BasicMed eligibility since you no longer meet the requirements of 14 CFR 61.23(c)(3). That enforcement action is well within the RFS's scope of authority.

Near Mid-Air Collision you say? Yeah this guy does NOT need to be flying at all.
 
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