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In 1974 there was this whole watergate thing, and then the president that kept falling down, so that may have been a distraction compared to a time change. Just guessing, I was more into politics than the average 2nd grader, but they still didn't let me vote then.
 
tspear said:
I was three, so no. :D

Based on what I have read, a lot of people blamed the lack of the time change for other things. One article I read about that seemed to get a lot of play was a drunk driver coming home from a bar crashing into kids waiting for the school bus. Somehow, people believe DST would have saved the kids from the drunk driver....

Another factor I believe is no one was really ready for it. If you want to have the kids go to school in daylight, then adjust the school schedules to match. However, if school systems actually stated this discussion, huge battles would likely ensue, I hope because I would like to believe that parents and society at large would realize we have screwed our children up massively with incorrect schedules that do NOT match kids natural bio-rhythms. Let alone the issue of summer vacation to bring in the crops. What percentage of kids these days help to bring the crops?

Tim
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Adjust the school schedules as in, change the clock, maybe? :)

Changing the clocks works great because it keeps everyone on the same page. It's a pain in the ass but it beats the alternative. I vividly remeber getting up in pre-dawn darkness in 1974 and it was universally loathed.
 
tspear said:
If you want to have the kids go to school in daylight, then adjust the school schedules to match. However, if school systems actually stated this discussion, huge battles would likely ensue, I hope because I would like to believe that parents and society at large would realize we have screwed our children up massively with incorrect schedules that do NOT match kids natural bio-rhythms.
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This! Our district has the different levels staggered (Middle school earliest, High school in the middle, Elementary latest) so that they can use the same school buses and drivers for all three. As a result, my middle school teacher wife has to be at work at 6:45 AM, and the poor kids are zombies.

Of course, our school board is definitely the type of politicians who selectively choose to read only the things that agree with them, so you know, f them kids. :mad:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
This! Our district has the different levels staggered (Middle school earliest, High school in the middle, Elementary latest) so that they can use the same school buses and drivers for all three. As a result, my middle school teacher wife has to be at work at 6:45 AM, and the poor kids are zombies.
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our county does a similar thing, except I think that they got one thing better about it...high school goes last. Our middle school starts around 7:30 so the kiddos are on their bikes right around 6AM to 6:15AM or so, then about an hour stagger to elementary, then another hour to High School

My gut tells me this is better cause it seems like teens need their sleep more than the littles.
......and I remember wanting to sleep till almost noon when I was that age....​
the middle schoolers can handle riding their bikes on their own in the dark, and it puts the smallest kids going in the daylight even in the winter so the parents that need to escort won't be grumbling quite so much.

My youngest is a freshman in high school this year. I would always see her off on her bike for middle school and in the winter it would be still fully dark. She actually kinda liked it and we discussed a few times that she didn't like it nearly as much when the time changes and it's fully light by the time they ride in. It was an adventure in a way, meeting her friends in the dark and riding together....
 
tspear said:
If you want to have the kids go to school in daylight, then adjust the school schedules to match.
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That would probably be at odds with the contingent that wants to avoid after-school sports in the dark.
 
asicer said:
That would probably be at odds with the contingent that wants to avoid after-school sports in the dark.
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Ah, but the minority of the students who play sports are more important then the majority of students. :D

Actually, I have long thought based on the natural sleep patterns, "after school" sports should become before school sports and school should run from noon till 6pm or whatever.

Tim
 
When I was a kid and dinosaurs roamed the earth, high school started the earliest. Theory was (1) older kids were better able to watch for traffic in the dark and (2) many teenagers had after-school jobs.
 
It never mattered what time school started, I was always late. Even when I lived across the street from my elementary school.

Frankly, I think kids are irrelevant to the DST vs ST debate."Do it for the children" is a common rallying cry for those who lack convincing arguments. <Somewhat sarcastic>. Most kids today are driven to school, by buses and parents. If they ride a bike, put a helmet and lights on them. If they walk put on a reflexive vest.

I went through K-12 before the clock-switching fetish got started. I walked to school in the dark and lived to tell about it. No one considered my circadian rhythms in scheduling anything. Swim team practice started at 6 a.m. and I walked the 1/2 mile to the pool. No bus from pool for the mile to school. I walked, biked, or hitched a ride from a kid who could drive. Sometimes, I even cut through the ravine. I lived. Some may say it built character. So did playing with sharp tools, sticking a bobby pin in a wall socket, touching the stove, and exploring cupboards, drawers, and toilet. Adversity, pain, and injury are teachers. :eek: Nobody freaked out over a little blood.

DST was first implemented in the US during WWI, then abandoned, then instituted again during WWII. Both times were an attempt to save energy for the war effort which is irrelevant today. We can argue over what's better for the kiddies until the kiddies aren't kiddies anymore and they pick up the argument.

Ditch the fetish. I don't care if we stick with DST or ST. I'll survive. So will you and your kids and grandkids.

Just get it done!
 
AV8R_87 said:
You speak-a my language :lol:
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Is this where you just smile and give him a Vegemite sandwich....?

Lived four houses down from my high school. Parents had drilled into me the need for promptness over the years, so never was late.

Interesting experience when I got married. In my wife's family, "We'll leave about four o'clock" meant that at 4 PM, you'd stand, stretch, and say, "Guess I'd better get my coat."

In MY family, "We'll leave at four o'clock" meant that the front tires were hitting the on-ramp at four, or a little before.....

Ron Wanttaja
 
:) My family was different. I'd get yelled at, in the 3rd grade, for being late. And I'd respond as what, an 8 year old, with "look, if you can talk to my parents and get them to get me here on time, have at it. Because I can't." They didn't take me up on the offer.

Leaving at 4 in my family meant that at 4 someone would ask if we were packed yet, and it would quickly be discovered that no one had even started. Every single time.

It's amazing I survived to adulthood, but part of that explains a bit of my personality, probably. These days I try my best not to be late for meetings, but it's tough every time.
 
Albany Tom said:
:) My family was different. I'd get yelled at, in the 3rd grade, for being late. And I'd respond as what, an 8 year old, with "look, if you can talk to my parents and get them to get me here on time, have at it. Because I can't." They didn't take me up on the offer.

Leaving at 4 in my family meant that at 4 someone would ask if we were packed yet, and it would quickly be discovered that no one had even started. Every single time.

It's amazing I survived to adulthood, but part of that explains a bit of my personality, probably. These days I try my best not to be late for meetings, but it's tough every time.
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This.

In my family, nobody would have ever suggested 4 AM as a reasonable starting time for anything. 6 or 7, *maybe*... But we would NEVER leave that early, because even if the packing was "complete" my mom would always remember something she'd want at the last minute. More often than not, 6 or 7 would turn into 9 or 10. Somehow, we never missed a flight though.

And yes, I'm still "last minute Sam" though I'm on the leading edge of my family now because my wife's family is at least 15 minutes early for EVERYTHING. That, and other experiences, have at least gotten me to be on time for things, though I still can't get myself to get somewhere 15 minutes early because in my mind that means I could have spent 15 minutes doing something useful at the origin instead of waiting around at the destination.
 
Half Fast said:
The "U" in UTC stands for "universal." I vote for Zulu time the whole world 'round. No more resetting clocks, no more confusion over flight schedules, no more mix-ups about times for remote meetings, etc. Universal goodness.
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When I read your post, it occurred to me to wonder how flat-Earthers explain time zones. :rofl:
 
Palmpilot said:
When I read your post, it occurred to me to wonder how flat-Earthers explain time zones. :rofl:
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Now I'm wondering how they deal with sunrise and sunset. Does the sun go over, then make a rapid 90 degree turn, then circle around and come up again later? Or does it somehow go under us? Or does a new sun just magically appear every morning? I don't know who these people are, but I'd guess it might be easy to win a few basic bar bets from them.

As I say that, though, I'm wondering if they're the test audiences for commercials for Applebees and insurance companies.
 
I grew up in indiana we didn't change time, always thought u guys were weirdos, then they did, sigh
 
Albany Tom said:
Leaving at 4 in my family meant that at 4 someone would ask if we were packed yet, and it would quickly be discovered that no one had even started. Every single time.

It's amazing I survived to adulthood, but part of that explains a bit of my personality, probably. These days I try my best not to be late for meetings, but it's tough every time.
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In my family, if we were asked to meet someone or be somewhere at 4, it meant we needed to be there by 4. In my wife's family's world, it meant you can't be there until AFTER 4.
 
JOhnH said:
In my family, if we were asked to meet someone or be somewhere at 4, it meant we needed to be there by 4. In my wife's family's world, it meant you can't be there until AFTER 4.
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AvNavCom said:
15 minutes early is on-time. On-time is late.

I've had that driven into me for nearly 30 years by the military.
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agreed
That's how I was raised and how I was my whole life ..... till I met my wife. Yeah to her, time is just a suggestion.

I used to joke.... well half joke becasue it was often true.... I could often have a flat tire enroute, change it, and still not be late....
well that was back in the day when I could change a tire fast and cars were simple...I'm not sure if I can lift the huge 20-inch wheels that are on my new truck ;(
Now that I have my wife, I'm going to be late anyway so it doesn't matter.... ;)
 
Well, as long as they are doing important things
 
There’s a certain gene in the female genetic code about leaving for something. They NEVER leave the house until the third effort. “Ready dear?” “Yes… wait, I need to,,,,,,,”, “We can leave now but I forgot…….”, “OK, let’s go”. Which means I can now move towards the car.

One wife, two daughters, GF’s. All have the gene.
 
Mileage said:
I am just curious if you remember when we tried this in 1974 and why it failed. The only thing worse than switching the clocks is not switching the clocks
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It was a temporary precautionary solution to a current "energy crisis" that was happening at that time. It wasn't meant to be a full time thing..
 
Van Johnston said:
Passed the House today. https://apnews.com/article/daylight-saving-time-house-passes-bill-53e7ffd1c3e9beddb9ab1601a8482ad5

I'm in the 40% that would prefer permanent standard time over permanent DST, but I'll take it.
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Who adjusts clocks these days anyway? My wall clock adjusts itself. My phone does the same. When I go somewhere, the phone tells me if the time zone is different. When someone from afar schedules a zoom meeting with me, my calendar does the time zone conversion. Everything is automated. So why not go back to the days when every town had their own time, except we can use our GPS location to determine time? The few seconds of time difference between my home and my office is not going to be of any consequence.
 
sarangan said:
Who adjusts clocks these days anyway? My wall clock adjusts itself. My phone does the same. When I go somewhere, the phone tells me if the time zone is different. When someone from afar schedules a zoom meeting with me, my calendar does the time zone conversion. Everything is automated. So why not go back to the days when every town had their own time, except we can use our GPS location to determine time? The few seconds of time difference between my home and my office is not going to be of any consequence.
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The interesting question is whether your devices will *stop* adjusting for DST. Phones and PCs get updates that will probably cover it, but there are probably some semi-dumb devices that won't get the word.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Half Fast said:
And Greenland. Don't forget Greenland.
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Oh, you had to open THAT can of worms!

Most of Greenland (Nuuk, Ilulissat, Tasiilaq): Observes Western Greenland Summer Time (WGST), which is UTC - 2. The clocks spring forward in March but no longer fall back in October.
Pituffik Space Base (Thule): Follows U.S. rules and transition dates, oscillating between UTC - 4 and UTC - 3.
Danmarkshavn & Station Nord: These northeastern stations do not observe DST at all, remaining permanently on UTC + 0 and UTC - 1, respectively.
 
sarangan said:
Who adjusts clocks these days anyway?
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raises hand

I have six clocks at home that need to be adjusted

My Church has also has six clocks that need to be adjusted (they are all analog clocks) - not including the four clocks in the steeple (but those are currently not functioning)
 
Bob Noel said:
If people are hot for "more daylight", how about them moving closer to the equator, eh? or to the western edge of their time zone
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There’s less daylight at the equator. When we’re in the Caribbean the sun is down by 6 PM.
 
And FWIW, they’re proposing to choose exactly the opposite of what nearly every sleep and public health expert says. Instead of making DST permanent they should be making standard time permanent. In my part of the country, permanent DST would mean sunrise in the winter at close to 8:30 AM.
 
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