Sunshine Protection Act of 2025

Question for those who are into this: How come some states voted to get rid of changing clocks but can’t execute it, yet, Arizona doesn’t change clocks? Similar in Canada, Provinces voted to get rid of it but can’t implement it, yet, Saskatchewan for some reason could. How come?
as I understand it, any state can opt for following standard time year round.... but they cannot chose DST year round. That requires a federal change
Our governor signed that thing down here in florida a long time ago, several years I think....but it has gone nowhere...

I'd prefer DST for more evening hours. I sorta like getting up before the sun, but I hate it dark when I get home from work. Can't get anything done or do much fun either...
 
This idea of states choosing ST vs DST will create such a mess. NY might end up on ST but FL will go with DST. How's that going to help anything?
 
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I'd prefer DST for more evening hours.
But you don't get more evening hours; it just changes where the hands on the clock point during those hours. Getting out of work at 4pm on DST is no different from getting out of work at 3 on standard time. Deliberately misaligning the clock time with the real time, i.e. DST, only makes sense if you're making a temporary adjustment.
 
There are some politicians in the New England states proposing that the New England states move from Eastern time to Atlantic time. That way they can circumvent the ban against permanent DST
 
There are some politicians in the New England states proposing that the New England states move from Eastern time to Atlantic time. That way they can circumvent the ban against permanent DST
I always wondered why there's a Pacific time but not an Atlantic time. So I guess there is.

Still doesn't explain why there's an Eastern time but not a Western Time.
 
And this thread is exactly why congress will do nothing. High wing low wing.
There are many reasons Congress does nothing about almost anything useful. But the way I read this thread is that almost everyone agrees that we should pick one or the other. Even if Congress picks one that half the people don't like, most of those people would still be happier than they would be just leaving it as it is.

I'd like to hear from those that would actually prefer to leave it like it is, and why?
 
Really, this ain’t rocket surgery. We have an atomic time standard yet fiddle with what the clocks say twice a year and the worlds haven’t collided.

It’s not even universal around the world who changes time when, or if they even do.

If the US chooses to stop fiddling with what the clocks say, we’ll all survive. I mean, we all made it past Y2K and 2012, right?
 
If the US chooses to stop fiddling with what the clocks say, we’ll all survive. I mean, we all made it past Y2K and 2012, right?
We made it through Y2K with little impact because an army of programmers and technicians spent many many late night hours working on fixing all the screwed up code that had accumulated for most of the last half of the 20th century. The only good part of it was that our bosses bought us a lot of coffee and pizza.

And many of the biggest, toughest coding corrections had to do with computer code handling time changes.
 
But I recognize that there are some undesirable health effects linked to offsetting one's schedule twice a year.
Good thing my schedule is offset several times a week. Probably why I’m the health specimen that I am.
 
We made it through Y2K with little impact because an army of programmers and technicians spent many many late night hours working on fixing all the screwed up code that had accumulated for most of the last half of the 20th century. The only good part of it was that our bosses bought us a lot of coffee and pizza.

And many of the biggest, toughest coding corrections had to do with computer code handling time changes.

So you’re saying we can add a one-time boost to the economy, except two states and all the US territories are already permanent standard time, so the scope of work either way is limited.

Like I said, this ain’t rocket surgery.
 
So you’re saying we can add a one-time boost to the economy, except two states and all the US territories are already permanent standard time, so the scope of work either way is limited.

Like I said, this ain’t rocket surgery.
The particular post you are referring was not intended to infer anything about time zone changes. It was a specific response to the comment about how we survived Y2K. True, the event was a nothing-burger. But that was only because of a lot of hard work and money spent behind the scenes. The thing that amazes me though is that I am still seeing some of the same type flawed coding going on again today.
 
yet, Arizona doesn’t change clocks?
But the reservations do change their clocks. If folks driving on I-40 changed their clock everytime they entered, exited a res then they would change their clocks 6 times while going through AZ. Confused yet.??

So when flying the air ambulance into AZ, instead of saying we will be there at 0632, we would tell them we will be there in 37 minutes...
 
Sounds like what it comes down to is “I’m a morning person” vs “I’m an evening person.”
Meh... Days are short enough in winter that I think everyone could make use of an extra hour in the evening, vs. only the morning people in the morning.

If people are hot for "more daylight", how about them moving closer to the equator, eh? or to the western edge of their time zone
Because I don't particularly like Nebraska.

Personally, already pretty close to the equator as far as USA goes, thus my preference for daylight savings. I don’t mind allowing each state to decide for itself, although I’m sure some amount of chaos would occur.
Yet, we have Indiana already. In Indiana, the counties nearest Chicago stay on Central because they're pretty much part of Chicagoland, and the rest stays on Eastern, except for the parts that are on "Eastern Standard" so effectively bounce back and forth between Eastern (when everyone else is on Standard) and Central (when everyone else is on Daylight). It's like Arizona except at the county level, so nobody knows what dang time it is! But it works, for them, somehow.

People seem to forget that when permanent DST was tried during the 1970s energy crisis, people hated it, there were more early morning accidents while people were going to work or school in the dark, and even with DST it gets dark early enough that you still don't have enough evening daylight to accomplish much.
There were some *well publicized* accidents going to work or school in the dark at the time and that was part of what was used to whip people into a furor about it, but later studies found that there was no significant difference in the number of accidents that occurred.
 
How about one time zone all across the country ? It would just change the get up and go to bed times :>)
 
How about one time zone all across the country ? It would just change the get up and go to bed times :>)
IIRC, that's exactly what China does. One time zone for the entire country. The country is about as broad as the US, and would have four zones otherwise.

Ron Wanttaja
 
We should all just use local sidereal time.
 
How about one time zone all across the country ? It would just change the get up and go to bed times :>)

How about one time zone all around the world? We could call it “Universal Time” or something similar.
 
IIRC, that's exactly what China does. One time zone for the entire country. The country is about as broad as the US, and would have four zones otherwise.

Ron Wanttaja
That is correct. In practice, people in the western part of the country start and end their day later than those in the east. The time is based on Beijing, in the east.
It's a little odd to me starting customer visits at 10 AM when it looks like earlier in the day and ending at 7 or 8 PM and it doesn't look like evening.
 
That is correct. In practice, people in the western part of the country start and end their day later than those in the east. The time is based on Beijing, in the east.
It's a little odd to me starting customer visits at 10 AM when it looks like earlier in the day and ending at 7 or 8 PM and it doesn't look like evening.
They probably established that single time zone back in an era when nobody traveled much.
 
Ugh… why not just UTC universally?

Tools, who lived on a SHIP that used local time… wha??????
As a software engineer of 25+ years that has had to deal with a multitude of time-related bugs... YES! Make it UTC for the masses. Communicate in UTC. I think after a bit of time (pun intended) folks would just get used to starting work at 1300 UTC and finishing at 2100 UTC or whatever.
 
Shortly after WWII the CCP established a single time zone based on Beijing time. That's the wonder and joy of a communist dictatorship.
 
Shortly after WWII the CCP established a single time zone based on Beijing time. That's the wonder and joy of a communist dictatorship.

Maybe, but I don't really see any conflict between being a capitalist republic and using UTC.
 
Yet, we have Indiana already. In Indiana, the counties nearest Chicago stay on Central because they're pretty much part of Chicagoland, and the rest stays on Eastern, except for the parts that are on "Eastern Standard" so effectively bounce back and forth between Eastern (when everyone else is on Standard) and Central (when everyone else is on Daylight). It's like Arizona except at the county level, so nobody knows what dang time it is! But it works, for them, somehow.
Yeah, it's fun flying diagonally across Indiana from Nashville (central time) to Chicago-land and watching the clock on the iPad flip-flop between central and eastern a few times.
 
Alaska originally had four time zones: Alaska Time, Hawaii-Aleutian Time, Pacific Time, and Bering Time.
In 1983, the state consolidated to two primary time zones: Alaska Time and Hawaii-Aleutian Time.
Alaska Time is UTC-9, while Hawaii-Aleutian Time is UTC-10.
The Bering Time zone is still used in some areas of the Aleutian Islands.
The change aimed to simplify scheduling and reduce confusion across the state.

 
As a software engineer of 25+ years that has had to deal with a multitude of time-related bugs... YES! Make it UTC for the masses. Communicate in UTC. I think after a bit of time (pun intended) folks would just get used to starting work at 1300 UTC and finishing at 2100 UTC or whatever.
I'm not so sure... Do you start your work week by going in to work on Monday and home on Tuesday and end it by going in Friday and home on Saturday, or do you start with the Sunday-Monday and work through Thursday-Friday?

Now, in the US a normal 9-to-5 isn't going to have that problem, but scheduling evening activities would be a pain. You'd finish work on Friday night and by the time you got to the concert/bar/game it would already be Saturday.
 
I'm not so sure... Do you start your work week by going in to work on Monday and home on Tuesday and end it by going in Friday and home on Saturday, or do you start with the Sunday-Monday and work through Thursday-Friday?

Now, in the US a normal 9-to-5 isn't going to have that problem, but scheduling evening activities would be a pain. You'd finish work on Friday night and by the time you got to the concert/bar/game it would already be Saturday.
Yeah, I know and agree. It's a fun thought experiment. There would certainly be a lot of confusion at first until everyone got used to it.
 
A West coaster (Aleutian time) could tell his boss on the East coast (Atlantic time) that he pulled an all nighter to finish the project on time, all while doing a "9 to 5" job.
 
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Keep it as it is, make it permanently DST, make it permanently Standard time, or change it to whatever - people will complain. Some people aren’t happy unless they’re unhappy.
 
At the end of the day …. I don’t care. The arguments on both sides are hollow. But the fact of life in the states is we have a schedule of some sort- kids school, work, what have you. Just pick DST or ST and be done with it. We as a society are way past any academic benefit.
 
Kind of interesting data. Summarized with AI. Some people take it hard.

Key findings on the impact of DST on mortality include:
  • Heart Attacks and Strokes: The Monday and Tuesday following the spring transition experience the highest increase in cardiovascular events, with a roughly 24% rise in heart attacks.
  • Fatal Accidents: The first workweek after the spring change sees a ~6% increase in fatal car accidents due to drowsy driving from lost sleep.
  • Autumn Shift Effect: Conversely, the fall transition (gaining an hour) is associated with a 21% reduction in heart attacks.
  • Overall Impact: While short-term risk rises in spring, some research indicates a decrease in all-cause mortality in the eight weeks following the autumn shift, resulting in no significant net increase in annual deaths.
  • Long-Term Health: Chronic disruption of circadian rhythms is linked to increased long-term risks for stroke and obesity.
    National Institutes of Health (NIH) | (.gov) +8
 

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