Sunshine Protection Act of 2025

It's funny to me, my state is one of many that have voted to make daylight savings permanent. It's been that way for years now, but its meaningless until congress passes something to "allow" it.

In my state it'd be nice to get some more evening hours as past 5pm is essentially dark now, but I know more northern states would prefer to keep standard time.
 
TCABM said:
I’d rather have standard time year round. When your day starts at 5:00am, waiting three hours for daylight sucks.
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I’m the opposite. Most people won’t get up to do something before work, but if we stayed on permanent DST, many people will go to work 30min to an hour early so they can take a flight lesson before sunset and I suspect a lot of other extra-curricular things are the same way.
 
RyanShort1 said:
I’m the opposite. Most people won’t get up to do something before work, but if we stayed on permanent DST, many people will go to work 30min to an hour early so they can take a flight lesson before sunset and I suspect a lot of other extra-curricular things are the same way.
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I'm with you. As you know, for a magazine article, I meet up with people 1.5 hours before sunset. Right now, that means I have to meet at 4PM, which makes it nearly impossible to do shoots on weekdays.
 
Sounds like what it comes down to is “I’m a morning person” vs “I’m an evening person.”

Personally, I just wish I had a schedule where changing time one hour twice a year would **** me up as bad as it seems to do other people.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Sounds like what it comes down to is “I’m a morning person” vs “I’m an evening person.”
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No, I’m definitely a morning person but practically speaking, if you are a responsible employee, it’s far easier to come in early and finish in time, than it is to risk being even later than expected. If something goes wrong on a flight after work, you miss dinner or some sleep, but nobody at work will yell at you. If that happens from 0700-0900 you’ve got way bigger issues.
 
If people are hot for "more daylight", how about them moving closer to the equator, eh? or to the western edge of their time zone
 
By the time mid-November rolls around, it doesn't matter what time system we are on in the northern reaches of Washington State. It is dark until mid-morning and gets dark again in the mid-afternoon. That would be true with either DS, or standard time. It's even worse in Alaska. I just don't like the abrupt change when we transition from one time system to the other. Pick one and leave it alone. Let the gradual transition associated with our orbit around the sun shift the amount of daylight slowly and naturally.
 
Flyhound said:
By the time mid-November rolls around, it doesn't matter what time system we are on in the northern reaches of Washington State. It is dark until mid-morning and gets dark again in the mid-afternoon. That would be true with either DS, or standard time. It's even worse in Alaska. I just don't like the abrupt change when we transition from one time system to the other. Pick one and leave it alone. Let the gradual transition associated with our orbit around the sun shift the amount of daylight slowly and naturally.
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I agree…adjust the working day to match the Sun, not the other way around.
 
Bob Noel said:
If people are hot for "more daylight", how about them moving closer to the equator, eh? or to the western edge of their time zone
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Personally, already pretty close to the equator as far as USA goes, thus my preference for daylight savings. I don’t mind allowing each state to decide for itself, although I’m sure some amount of chaos would occur.
 
Others may disagree, but IMO permanent DST is just stupid.

The whole point of DST was that it would temporarily (for part of the year) adjust people's schedules to an hour earlier, without everybody having to actually change published schedules, put up new hours signs, etc., twice a year If you want permanent DST, just eliminate DST, go back to standard time which more closely matches real (astronomical) time (at least near the center of the time zone), and let businesses and schools adjust their schedules, once, if they want to.

People seem to forget that when permanent DST was tried during the 1970s energy crisis, people hated it, there were more early morning accidents while people were going to work or school in the dark, and even with DST it gets dark early enough that you still don't have enough evening daylight to accomplish much.
 
Dana said:
People seem to forget that when permanent DST was tried during the 1970s energy crisis,
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I remember that. I also remember that it wasn't very well received. People would ask me what I did last night. Well, I got up and went to school...

What I don't understand is why Alaska does DST. I mean when I lived north of the Arctic Circle there was 24 hour sunlight in the summer. The kids would sleep until 5-6pm, then go out and play until 5-6am. Winter time I would go to work in the dark and go home in the dark.

I think we should move clocks ahead in the fall and move clocks back in spring...
 
I must be the one person that has no problem with the system as is. During the summer I appreciate having more daylight time in the evening. In June, our sunrise is 5:30 AM and sunset is almost 9:00 PM. All the opponents of DST say just adjust your lifestyle/schedule. Ok then, when the sun comes up at 4:30 AM, guess I'll get up and start mowing.

I really don't see why we waste so much time arguing about an hour. Honestly with most clocks, phones, etc., being automatic, I don't even notice.
 
midwestpa24 said:
I must be the one person that has no problem with the system as is. During the summer I appreciate having more daylight time in the evening. In June, our sunrise is 5:30 AM and sunset is almost 9:00 PM. All the opponents of DST say just adjust your lifestyle/schedule. Ok then, when the sun comes up at 4:30 AM, guess I'll get up and start mowing.

I really don't see why we waste so much time arguing about an hour. Honestly with most clocks, phones, etc., being automatic, I don't even notice.
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Southern located me would appreciate the extra hour in the evening. Just leave it up to the individual state to decide IMO.
 
Bob Noel said:
If people are hot for "more daylight", how about them moving closer to the equator, eh? or to the western edge of their time zone
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Done and done, 15min drive to the western border of the time zone.
 
Time zones were invented to make it easy to schedule trains using pencil and paper. They have outlasted the usefulness and should be eliminated. Your phone knows where it is and can adjust to local time based on longitude. "Scheduling" can be done via GMT.
 
Of course, simply everyone has a smartphone, right?
 
Until 1967, there was no such thing as daylight savings time that was federally recognized. Since then, there’s been nothing but arguing about it.

What is it the FAA says? We’re not happy until you’re not happy? I think that applies here.
 
TCABM said:
Until 1967, there was no such thing as daylight savings time that was federally recognized. Since then, there’s been nothing but arguing about it.

What is it the FAA says? We’re not happy until you’re not happy? I think that applies here.
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It was recognized back in 1917. It wasn't mandated annually until 1966. It had been used as "war time" in WWI and WWII.
 
Well, for the record, it's "daylight saving time", not savings.
And that mistake is being made in places where such things should be caught, such as the display software of the 2025 Camry that I'm driving right now. Proper amateur hour.
 
MauleSkinner said:
I agree…adjust the working day to match the Sun, not the other way around.
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Corporations just don't do that, and neither do schools. Those of us that have more flexibility can, but that's not the majority of the population that can afford flight training, in my experience.
 
I’d prefer standard time but whatever just stop with the change.

Also if it’s an issue there’s no law that dictates the hours for businesses or when lunch and dinner happen. We can always adapt to it.
 
Preference for DST or ST is largely dependent on where you live. If you live at the eastern edge of a timezone, you generally want ST. Western edge, you want DST.
Obviously work/school also have affect on this preference, but location plays a much larger role than most other factors.

Tim
 
Flyhound said:
By the time mid-November rolls around, it doesn't matter what time system we are on in the northern reaches of Washington State. It is dark until mid-morning and gets dark again in the mid-afternoon. That would be true with either DS, or standard time. It's even worse in Alaska. I just don't like the abrupt change when we transition from one time system to the other. Pick one and leave it alone. Let the gradual transition associated with our orbit around the sun shift the amount of daylight slowly and naturally.
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I live in Idaho, just as far north. Its light around 6:30 am and dark about 5:30.
 
tspear said:
Preference for DST or ST is largely dependent on where you live. If you live at the eastern edge of a timezone, you generally want ST. Western edge, you want DST.


Tim
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maybe I'm tired, but wouldn't it be the other way around?
 
I'm in the camp of keep DST all year round. I don't get up until 8 so an extra hour of daylight in the morning doesn't do any good for me but I hate that it gets dark at 5 in Dallas and 4 in Panama City Beach. That's just way too early. Having said that, I'd prefer just keeping it in ST over that whole changing clocks twice a year non-sense.
 
Question for those who are into this: How come some states voted to get rid of changing clocks but can’t execute it, yet, Arizona doesn’t change clocks? Similar in Canada, Provinces voted to get rid of it but can’t implement it, yet, Saskatchewan for some reason could. How come?
 
I DON"T CARE, PASS IT ALREADY. i can get up an hour earlier or later
 
The change doesn't really bother me, especially that now that so many clocks automatically reset and I don't have to manually reset more than a few. But I recognize that there are some undesirable health effects linked to offsetting one's schedule twice a year.

If a change were to be made permanent, I'd prefer daylight to standard.
 
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