Sunshine Protection Act of 2025

I have the answer.

In March move the clocks ahead 15 minutes. Then in April, move ahead another 15 minutes, the same in May and June.

Then in November, move the clocks back 15 minutes, same in December, January and February.

This way the time change won't be such a shock on the body.

Vote Zeldman for president...
 
Dana said:
But you don't get more evening hours; it just changes where the hands on the clock point during those hours. Getting out of work at 4pm on DST is no different from getting out of work at 3 on standard time. Deliberately misaligning the clock time with the real time, i.e. DST, only makes sense if you're making a temporary adjustment.
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Of course. But the workday for most people is roughly 8/9am-5/6pm and that doesn't change with the sun.
 
If anyone will be in central Florida this weekend, it's worth a trip to Bok Tower in Lake Wales at midnight on Saturday. You have to buy a special event admission, but you can watch the staff rotate the tower to reset the sundial.


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My wife laughs at me (for many reasons actually), but since retirement I follow the sun. Right now in my area sunrise is about 7:10, so I go to bed at 11:10 and get up at 7:10. This weekend when the clock changes, my sleep times will not. Bed at 12:10 and up at 8:10.
 
Zeldman said:
I have the answer.

In March move the clocks ahead 15 minutes. Then in April, move ahead another 15 minutes, the same in May and again in June
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Zeldman, my Grandfather did that! The only problem (actually two problems…) with that system: a, he’d forgot to make the changes, and he’d forgot which way to move the clock hands. It was hilarious! It took him at least 2 weeks to get the time reset properly, and we and the neighbors never knew when he would show up!

Fortunately he had a good sense of humor about it!

Skip
 
Half Fast said:
The "U" in UTC stands for "universal." I vote for Zulu time the whole world 'round. No more resetting clocks, no more confusion over flight schedules, no more mix-ups about times for remote meetings, etc. Universal goodness.
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...except for those folks who have to go to work on Monday and go home on Tuesday.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
...except for those folks who have to go to work on Monday and go home on Tuesday.
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I used to have a job where I worked four ten-hour shifts: 8pm to 6am. I went home the day after arriving every shift. I finally quit that job and got a much better job that paid about half (yes half) as much. Best decision I ever made.
 
This argument has been going on since I was a kid. There would be better odds for a resolution if we sought to leave the clocks alone and adjust the spin of the earth instead.
 
Half Fast said:
This argument has been going on since I was a kid. There would be better odds for a resolution if we sought to leave the clocks alone and adjust the spin of the earth instead.
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That sounds like "Project Turnaround."

Years ago, going through an old filing cabinet at work, I found a paper on a study called "Project Turnaround." Discussed putting rocket engines around the equator; if anyone ever launched a missile at the US, we'd fire up the rockets and crank the Earth around so that the missile impacted elsewhere.

Yes, stupid, and outrageously funny. Obviously a engineer in the '60s blowing off steam and amusing his friends.

To this day, I regret not taking the paper with me when I retired. But the writer back in the '60s had put "TOP SECRET" on the top and bottom of each page, and I was worried that Security would see me taking it out of the SCIF and freak out.

Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
That sounds like "Project Turnaround."

Years ago, going through an old filing cabinet at work, I found a paper on a study called "Project Turnaround." Discussed putting rocket engines around the equator; if anyone ever launched a missile at the US, we'd fire up the rockets and crank the Earth around so that the missile impacted elsewhere.

Yes, stupid, and outrageously funny. Obviously a engineer in the '60s blowing off steam and amusing his friends.

To this day, I regret not taking the paper with me when I retired. But the writer back in the '60s had put "TOP SECRET" on the top and bottom of each page, and I was worried that Security would see me taking it out of the SCIF and freak out.

Ron Wanttaja
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I hope someone submitted a patent application...
 
wanttaja said:
That sounds like "Project Turnaround."

Years ago, going through an old filing cabinet at work, I found a paper on a study called "Project Turnaround." Discussed putting rocket engines around the equator; if anyone ever launched a missile at the US, we'd fire up the rockets and crank the Earth around so that the missile impacted elsewhere.

Yes, stupid, and outrageously funny. Obviously a engineer in the '60s blowing off steam and amusing his friends.

To this day, I regret not taking the paper with me when I retired. But the writer back in the '60s had put "TOP SECRET" on the top and bottom of each page, and I was worried that Security would see me taking it out of the SCIF and freak out.

Ron Wanttaja
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I can't wait for AIs to start including that in discussions of conspiracy theories. Just imagine in a few years that everyone believes that was a real project!
 
If I understand it right, it used to be that all the different towns had their own time, which worked until railroads came about and they tried to used a common schedule. But nobody takes the train anymore, and everybody has access to UTC time via their phone anyway. So....

Why not let everyone pick their own time zone? I think right now I'd like to be about 4.5 hours behind UTC.

For work, I'd just use the work time zone, whatever that is. If I like people, I could let them know what my time zone is for scheduling. Maybe.

I mean, declaring my own time zone is pretty simple compared to a lot of other things. I don't need a doctor's note, there's no surgery involved. People already talk about "island time"...
 
Albany Tom said:
If I understand it right, it used to be that all the different towns had their own time, which worked until railroads came about and they tried to used a common schedule
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Yes, and it wasn’t just for passenger schedules. With multiple trains sharing tracks (as they still do), accurate and coordinated timing was necessary to prevent collisions. There was a standard specification for a railroad watch, and watches had to be submitted for testing on a regular basis.

My great grandfather worked for Seaboard, and I still have his old RR watch.
 
Half Fast said:
Yes, and it wasn’t just for passenger schedules. With multiple trains sharing tracks (as they still do), accurate and coordinated timing was necessary to prevent collisions. There was a standard specification for a railroad watch, and watches had to be submitted for testing on a regular basis.

My great grandfather worked for Seaboard, and I still have his old RR watch.
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And the railroads employed their own watchmakers to keep those pocketwatches in tip top condition. Even in fairly recent times.
 
Bob Noel said:
If people are hot for "more daylight", how about them moving closer to the equator, eh? or to the western edge of their time zone
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No, you'd want to move poleward, especially toward the North Pole. Several places on the internet explain this. Here's one: more daylight at Arctic Circle
 
Half Fast said:
LOL! Yeah, me, too. One of things I hated most about classified programs. In the winter I'd go into the office when it was dark, and leave when it was dark.
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well, you know they were, um, what's word for those programs....
 
Albany Tom said:
You don't have to go that far. I've had a couple of offices like that.
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Being in IT, we were always kept in the dark. And spending most of my career as a consultant, I was treated even worse. I have had multiple "offices" that were converted hallways and janitor closets!

Tim
 
tspear said:
Being in IT, we were always kept in the dark. And spending most of my career as a consultant, I was treated even worse. I have had multiple "offices" that were converted hallways and janitor closets!

Tim
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LockMart would reconfigure office spaces as programs changed, ended, or started, but of course they never reconfigured the HVAC. And the thermostat location might end up in a hallway, a single office, a closet, a conference room, who knows. As a result, some offices would be iceboxes, some would be saunas.
 
Rarefied said:
It's funny to me, my state is one of many that have voted to make daylight savings permanent. It's been that way for years now, but its meaningless until congress passes something to "allow" it.

In my state it'd be nice to get some more evening hours as past 5pm is essentially dark now, but I know more northern states would prefer to keep standard time.
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I am just curious if you remember when we tried this in 1974 and why it failed. The only thing worse than switching the clocks is not switching the clocks
 
Rarefied said:
In my state it'd be nice to get some more evening hours as past 5pm is essentially dark now, but I know more northern states would prefer to keep standard time.
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I've spent my entire life in northern states (except for four years in Colorado) and I prefer Daylight Saving Time. As a kid, remember it staying light well past nine PM in the summer. Liked that.

Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
I've spent my entire life in northern states (except for four years in Colorado) and I prefer Daylight Saving Time. As a kid, remember it staying light well past nine PM in the summer. Liked that.

Ron Wanttaja
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hey, just switch to zulu or GMT, and it'll be daylight past midnight
 
If we'd just put the earth's axis back where it belongs, this whole thing would become moot.
 
Half Fast said:
If we'd just put the earth's axis back where it belongs, this whole thing would become moot.
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So the plan for that is, we pick a date and time and get everyone in the northern hemisphere to drive due west as fast as possible, then at the same time everyone brakes really hard, right?
 
And while we’re at, go to two time zones in CONUS. In the fall, Eastern zone falls back one hour and Central stays where they (we) are, and re-brands as Central Standard time. Pacific springs forward one hour and Mountain stays where they are, and re-brands as Mountain Standard. Then no further changes.

Speed of light communications and almost sonic transportation make it possible, and practical. Business people who do business with opposite coast benefit, with negligible impact to those who do business with Europe or Asia.

Not my original idea; read it somewhere else a few years ago.

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Mileage said:
I am just curious if you remember when we tried this in 1974 and why it failed. The only thing worse than switching the clocks is not switching the clocks
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I was three, so no. :D

Based on what I have read, a lot of people blamed the lack of the time change for other things. One article I read about that seemed to get a lot of play was a drunk driver coming home from a bar crashing into kids waiting for the school bus. Somehow, people believe DST would have saved the kids from the drunk driver....

Another factor I believe is no one was really ready for it. If you want to have the kids go to school in daylight, then adjust the school schedules to match. However, if school systems actually stated this discussion, huge battles would likely ensue, I hope because I would like to believe that parents and society at large would realize we have screwed our children up massively with incorrect schedules that do NOT match kids natural bio-rhythms. Let alone the issue of summer vacation to bring in the crops. What percentage of kids these days help to bring the crops?

Tim
 
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