New Garmin Instrumentation - Look Good!

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  1. Rob58

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    For anyone thinking about a G5 or the "yet to be certified" AV-30, now there are more choices from our friends at Garmin. This new product comes in very wide variety of configurations and looks like it could be a powerful option. Offers a highly compatible set of features.
    https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/719027/pn/010-GI275-02
     
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    More innovation from the Big G. Very impressive.
     
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    Looks like an awesome piece of kit, but MSRP is way up there.
     
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    $9k. For both hsi and ai, Meh. At half the price I’ll wait for the AV30.
     
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    Gets really expensive for Class 3 aircraft!
     
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    Unconfirmed right now, but it will be able to replace a KI-256.

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    My G5 arrived yesterday. Go figure. o_O

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    X2, the cost of round is steep.
     
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    About double the resolution of G5s and about double the cost. But very slick. I'm still reeling from how good the G5s are to fly behind.
     
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    Lotta great options there if desired but seems really spendy.

    Backup battery is optional? Should be standard at those prices.

    Not positive on all the options but it looks like you could get a standby or primary attitude indicator and a CDI in one unit. On top of that it does interface with analog radios. So in my case it looks like I could stick that in place of my KI204 and it would do more than just CDI.
     
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    I haven't read too much bout this but what is the difference between these and the G5's?
     
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    These have more capability by quite a large margin. And they're round instead of square.
     
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    I really like the VFR overlayed on the DG. That is a massive upgrade on an instrument that hasn't really changed as it went to glass.
     
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    They are about double the pixel resolution and have touchscreens, and the more expensive models have additional capability, such as synthetic vision, map and weather display, etc. that can be drawn from a variety of other avionics as long as they are (mostly) Garmin. Some models have a built in adapter to drive legacy APs, like the G5. And of course they flush mount in standard round holes. (That's not such a big selling point IMO. The surface mount G5s look just fine.) I didn't see anything about the HSI using a magnetometer input.

    The new units include an optional 1 hour backup battery. The G5s have a 4 hour capacity.
     
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    Apparently the GI275 can supply attitude data to attitude-based autopilots where the G5 cannot. For example, if you had a Century IIb autopilot, a G5 installation would require you to keep the vacuum pump and vacuum AI (most people yank the TC and put the vacuum AI in there). A GI275 installation would enable you to completely yank the vacuum system. Looks like documentation regarding that feature is still a bit thin, though.

    Another big difference is that all of Garmin's photos show the GI275 with the airspeed indicator and altimeter removed. The G5 requires you to keep those.
     
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    Apparently not for my Century III. That's a non-starter for me. No incentive without full autopilot integration. Also, we're not being told what other equipment will be required to couple to these legacy autopilots. Surely there's a converter required somewhere in the process...
     
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    It’s not that the G5 does not eliminate the airspeed and altimeter. The G5 can only be configured for either AI or HSI. The 275 can be configured to replace one of multiple indicators, you pick one at installation (or purchase time).

    The G5 is a simple Swiss Army pocket knife. The 275 is a Leatherman multitool.

    But, I like the square G5 because it uses all the real estate.
     
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    These appear to be dealer install only so that takes some of the fun out of it for me. I have what I need but the MFD version of these is kinda interesting. I like the pictures of the HSI stuff too but no way I'd buy it since I already have the G5s.

    If I was to spend money on avionics I'd probably look at GTN650 to GTN650xi upgrade.
     
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    Do you really feel like that's worth the money? I think someone told me it was a $3000 price tag for that. I love my GTN650, but other than display, is there anything that it does for me that's worth $3000?
     
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    I'm thinking LONG term ownership value, it seems worth it if they ever drop 650 support.

    They really need to a send-in upgrade path for $1500 IMHO.
     
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    $9K would get you both, plus the autopilot converter. And with this announcement, the AV30 is facing increasing headwinds... They've been a bit on the slow side. :(

    As does everything.

    Confirmed. Here's the list of compatible autopilots and the capabilities they'll have with the GI275: http://static.garmin.com/pumac/gi275_autopilot_compatibility.pdf

    Oddly enough, my KFC 150 doesn't list GPSS HDG Emulation as an included feature, while the KAP 150 does.

    Yeah, I pinged Pete with some questions about it as soon as I heard, and he told me you already ordered the first two. :rofl:

    Where are you seeing that it's optional? It looks like it may be included in the price of the AI version?

    Ah, but not at all like the G5. The G5+GAD29B combo can only provide heading and course deviation, while the GI 275 adds the capability to provide the attitude reference for attitude-based autopilots. That's huge.

    It's right here: http://static.garmin.com/pumac/gi275_autopilot_compatibility.pdf

    I noticed that as well. Very interesting. It seems like you could probably, in a "normal" round-gauge airplane, replace your entire six-pack, tach and MP gauges, and CDIs with these things. What could you do with 10 of them? :eek: Well, probably a lot of cool stuff. AI, HSI, #2 CDI, dedicated traffic display, engine display, fuel computer, maybe add a radar altimeter, and you'd still have three holes left! (Note: Not sure the STC would allow for all that or if the EIS lets you use two displays for one set of sensors. Do not attempt without consulting your avionics shop...)
     
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    I've contacted the AV30 guys and they won't even reply to my email. That's a negative for them.
     
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    Wait... There's an upgrade path? I thought the "upgrade path" was the slide-in replacement for $18,000 (I have a 750).
     
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    If this would've included the Century III line, it would have been a slam dunk for a lot of folks. There are a lot of these units functioning just fine out there still today, mine included. I'm still twiddling my thumbs over here unless I want to spend money for an Aspen E5 AND the EA100.
     
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    And of course I just had my entire panel ripped apart a few weeks ago. Would really like to ditch my gyro attitude indicator to drive the AP and now this could do it. Too bad I am not ripping the panel open again.
     
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    Yes, my plane is still 'down for maintenance' which means I could install a pair of G5s with supervision from my A&P/IA doing the other work for a very small incremental cost. Having to have a working plane and bringing it to a dealer will add significant time and more importantly money to the equation.
     
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    I consider a one page PDF "pretty thin". :D

    All that fancy glass and the panel pictures still show an analog clock. I guess Garmin hasn't gotten around to squashing the AV-20S yet. :)
     
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    Don't worry, soon you'll be able to get a Garmin Clock and USB port device for only $1000. :)
     
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    If Garmin was to package the G5 in this round case and offer it at the current G5 prices, the AV-30 might be crushed. Not everybody needs or wants to pay us for the capabilities of these new offerings.
     
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    Does the III use a different Sigmatek/MidContinent AI than the IIB?

    III support could just be a future firmware/paperwork change if the interface is the same.
     
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    Very interested in the EIS
     
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    As others have mentioned, you will have to use a dealer to install your GI275. G5s can be purchased separately and installed by your local mechanic/avionics person, although the installation of the GMU-11 is apparently not for noobs. My local guy learned on someone else's airplanes, and my G5s went in fairly smoothly, aside from some configuration issues due to incomplete information in the install manual.
     
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    I felt the same about my GTN 650 and then they announce the 650xi


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    Looks great! Cirrus already has had the MFD style HSI for a little bit now. Hopefully you can de clutter some of the information. I don’t use it as I find it’s too redundant but it definitely helps with situational awareness.
     
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    I paid about $5800 for dual G5’s with the ACU for the vacuum AP and the GAD 13 with Temp Probe


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    Ditto. For a multi, the 275 puts it cheaper than JPI


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