Mid-life Career Change to Airline Pilot. It's Doable.

What I want to know is if you announce the things that are the most important to the passengers like ceiling and wind speed when you are descending into your destination?
I tell them general conditions (partly cloudy), the temperature (°F), and the planned arrival gate.

Short, friendly, and informative are my goals.
 
Currently I am limited to "Flight attendants prepare for takeoff".
There will come a glorious day upon which you will assume command of the PA. When that happens, do not keep in mind any of the rant that follows.

Many pilots just don’t seem to think before keying a mic. Be the exception.

Riding as a passenger gives us an opportunity to observe what works and what doesn’t, and how PAs from the pilots correlate to those made by customer service and FAs.

We (the entire industry) talk too much, so in general, the less said, the better.

Delays merit a brief update every 15-30 minutes. What, why, and how long. This includes lengthy pauses during taxi, and holding or extensive vectors for sequencing.

It’s tough to read the room from the flight deck, so orate deliberately and with care. Go for a calm, ingratiating tone and measured cadence.

Use simple, plain language, and avoid plane language. Instead of “ATC,” use “air traffic control.” If we tell our audience that “the APU is deferred,” we’ve lost them. Most people know the definition and common usage of the word edict, but very few know what an EDCT is.

A few of many things to avoid (AKA pet peeves):

“We are currently climbing through xxxxx (no one cares) to our initial cruise altitude of yyyyy (no one cares).”

Destination weather: those who care already know about the weather, and no one can do anything about it anyway. But if you feel that you must play the role of weatherman, use very general terms like cloudy, windy, sunny, rainy etc. The rest of the known universe uses metric units, so temps should be given (if given at all) in F and C. And with respect to previous posts by Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe and Half Fast, only an idiot keys the mic and recites the ATIS.

Turbulence—just call it what it is: turbulence. Unlike the destination wx, this is something pax won’t know about and they appreciate a heads-up when it’s expected somewhere along the route.

“Sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight.” No. Just no. It was clever and reassuring 70 years ago, but now it’s the tiredest cliche in aviation.

Gratuitous use of the word do, as in “We do ask that you remain seated.” Is this how people talk at home? “Harold, I do ask that you put the seat down after you urinate.”

The redundantly repetitive restatement: “We will be arriving into gate B9. Once again, we will be arriving into gate B9.” Hey, we got it the first time. And why are we always arriving into somewhere? We won’t arrive into ORD, we will arrive at ORD. Better yet, we will arrive.

Hmmm…did I mention that we talk too much? Rant switch OFF.
 
UAL holds the record for too much time spent on the PA, by flight crew and cabin crew. Flying in back it feels like you're trapped in one long commercial that you can't turn off.
 
Holds the record for the most memorable PA announcement in the history of aviation:

“Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are all doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."
 
Whenever I feel compelled to post about something on this thread, I have found that Roger Wilco will eventually post exactly what I wanted to say a few minutes later.

But the main points that resonated:

No one should ever say “Sit back, relax and enjoy the flight.”

And yes, be brief! I keep it to the flight time, ride conditions and thank them for coming along with us.

And Roger, thank you for the entertaining posts!
 
This Veterans Day I was on a Southwest flight where the captain was a marine. He asked if there were any veterans on the flight. A few raised their hands, and he walked through and handed them all a piece of paper - drink coupon. That was pretty cool to see.

On landing in Albany, the update was temp and wind, I think 40F and 15 gusting to 25 from the west. Probably everybody appreciated the temp update, because wifi on SW is sketchy, and I appreciated the wind update because I'm a geek and could tell the GF that we were probably landing on 28.

The flight down, a couple of days before, the pilot was equally good at the PA. This time we had a delay on the ground. Before we left the gate, he said that we were all clear to the next stop. Then we pushed back, he stopped the plane, everyone knew there was a problem, and he simply said "So I asked if we were clear to TN before we pushed back, and they said we were fine. But now they're giving us a departure time of Xx:xx. So I'm going to pull back up to the gate and we can open the door, meanwhile I'm going to see if we can get this sped up. If possible, please stay on the plane with us. Sorry for the delay and I'll let you know if there are any updates."

Really clear updates, sympathetic and that "we" were all in this together. In about 20 minutes we had an update and got out in about 40 minutes. The FAs coordinated w/ whomever at SW to sort out everyone's connections.
 
Holds the record for the most memorable PA announcement in the history of aviation:

“Good evening ladies and gentlemen. This is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are all doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress."
Ah yes—Speedbird 9. A shining example to us all.
 
Whenever I feel compelled to post about something on this thread, I have found that Roger Wilco will eventually post exactly what I wanted to say a few minutes later.

But the main points that resonated:

No one should ever say “Sit back, relax and enjoy the flight.”

And yes, be brief! I keep it to the flight time, ride conditions and thank them for coming along with us.

And Roger, thank you for the entertaining posts!
Kent, thanks—I appreciate the feedback.

Say, you wouldn’t happen to be a scion of the legendary Wien aviation dynasty of The Last Frontier, would you?
 
The last time I flew commercial was actually on one of Bryan's fleet out of CMI. On both the outbound and return flights, the PA announcement sounded exactly like Charlie Brown's teacher. If the captain had been telling us the plane was on fire and to kiss our asses goodbye, we wouldn't have known it. I hope all the E jets aren't that way.
 
“Thanks for flying with us. Flight attendants prepare the cabin for arrival.” I’ve shortened up my PAs because, 1. I’m interrupting their movie and 2. Everyone has the weather on their phones.
 
#1 is on point. Especially when the ding is so loud it causes temporary deafness. Well, except on Delta. The entertainment systems on Delta’s old flying hoopties are so old they rarely work. So no need to worry about deafness on Delta.
 
Thoughts.

1) I'm definitely one of the people that misses channel 9 on United. I want more
2) I want to know cruise information, height, winds, time, etc
3) I'm happy to know more about my "Pittsburgh based crew" or whatever
4) If want me to know something, it better be more than a sentence, because it takes longer than that to notice you talking while I'm watching a movie and get the movie turned off
5) TALK SLOWER. Like a third of the PAs are awful. We can't understand you if you're speaking normal speed or faster
6) If the company wants us to think of flying as being better than riding a bus, then make flying better than riding a bus. We talk on PoA frequently about airplane X not being as capable today as it was when it got it's type cert in 1975 because people have gotten bigger. Guess what! That's true in the commercial world also. My knees rub on the seat in front of me. My sides rub on the arm rests. God forbid the person in front of me reclines. I'm thankful for, and willingly pay for, a few extra inches of legroom, but it's quadruple the price (or more) to get a wider seat.
 
In my experience, the PA on airlines is at least understandable. In all my years on Mil Air, I never once understood a word of what was coming out of the speaker. I swear all the equipment must have been failed Radio Shack specials.
 
Thoughts.

1) I'm definitely one of the people that misses channel 9 on United. I want more
2) I want to know cruise information, height, winds, time, etc
3) I'm happy to know more about my "Pittsburgh based crew" or whatever
With regard to these three, you are among a scant minority. Obviously crews can’t please everyone, so they will try to appeal to the majority of their customers. Besides that, the entertainment systems on many aircraft now display location, altitude, speed, ETA etc. in real time making such announcements superflous. Should PoA charter a 767 someday, I’m certain that the captain would make PAs that would be of interest to this demographic.
4) If want me to know something, it better be more than a sentence, because it takes longer than that to notice you talking while I'm watching a movie and get the movie turned off
If YOU want to know something, listen up.
5) TALK SLOWER. Like a third of the PAs are awful. We can't understand you if you're speaking normal speed or faster
Agree
6) If the company wants us to think of flying as being better than riding a bus, then make flying better than riding a bus.
Very well then. Here’s what I propose: You fly an A320 from LAX to BOS. Then buy a ticket on Greyhound and take a bus back to LA. Then tell me which you prefer, and how much each ticket cost you.
We talk on PoA frequently about airplane X not being as capable today as it was when it got it's type cert in 1975 because people have gotten bigger. Guess what! That's true in the commercial world also.
Guess what—the fuselage of a 737 is the same diameter today as it was in 1968, and with a standard 6-abreast cabin configuration the seats are virtually equal in width. Except maybe a couple of seats on certain variants.
 
I just wish the airlines would stop waking me up from my peaceful nap with some @#%$ announcement about their oh-so-special &%^#%**!!! company credit card and their @$&^*$! rewards program and whatever other bull$&^+ they're trying to sell me.
 
With regard to these three, you are among a scant minority.
2 and 3, maybe. Though I doubt you have a study to back up your claim.

1? Don't know why anyone would be opposed to bringing back channel 9, since it was 100% opt in and only those interested had to listen to it.

Obviously crews can’t please everyone, so they will try to appeal to the majority of their customers. Besides that, the entertainment systems on many aircraft now display location, altitude, speed, ETA etc. in real time making such announcements superflous.
Is that true? Might be the routes I fly or the airline (American), but I bet less than 20% of my flights have entertainment systems so I'm watching downloaded netflix on my ipad. Which I assumed was why fewer jets had the expense and weight of in flight systems.

If YOU want to know something, listen up.
As I stated, by the time I have hit pause and removed one ear of my headphones, the announcement is often over.

Very well then. Here’s what I propose: You fly an A320 from LAX to BOS. Then buy a ticket on Greyhound and take a bus back to LA. Then tell me which you prefer, and how much each ticket cost you.
That's a very extreme example. Of course flying wins that one in terms of time and comfort because you've pretended that is a representative flight. In reality, the average flight in the US is a quarter to a third that long. But, as you imply, greyhound is really the only real competition (pretty unique to the US to only have one, BTW) and it most sucks.

Guess what—the fuselage of a 737 is the same diameter today as it was in 1968, and with a standard 6-abreast cabin configuration the seats are virtually equal in width. Except maybe a couple of seats on certain variants.
Yes. That's what I'm complaining about. The lack of any sort of advancement in the area of comfort for literally decades while customer sizes have increased. Well summarized.
 
I just wish the airlines would stop waking me up from my peaceful nap with some @#%$ announcement about their oh-so-special &%^#%**!!! company credit card and their @$&^*$! rewards program and whatever other bull$&^+ they're trying to sell me.
Yep. That's ten times more annoying than the captain 'wasting' 2.5 seconds by adding "from your phoenix based flight crew" to the welcome message. It was annoying 20 years ago when airline miles had real value, it's way more annoying now that they don't.
 
Destination weather: those who care already know about the weather, and no one can do anything about it anyway.

On a flight home after a weeks long yatch delivery to Sint Maarten, passing briefly through Miami, the pilot told us the weather. I was shocked. It's like I legitimately forgot I lived where it gets cold in November. I was wearing shorts and flip flops. I had, of course, worn warm enough clothes when we left. Even had a pretty good coat. All of it packed neatly in checked baggage.
 
I just wish the airlines would stop waking me up from my peaceful nap with some @#%$ announcement about their oh-so-special &%^#%**!!! company credit card and their @$&^*$! rewards program and whatever other bull$&^+ they're trying to sell me.
Airlines have become credit card companies with airplanes. It’s a huge source of revenue. Flights and upgrades are just perks you get for loading-up your card.
 
Channel 9 is still there and being added to more and more airplanes. The new AVOD screens on the 737s and Airbus support it. It's on the Spotify menu as, "Flight Deck".
Love to hear that. I was a united guy and saw the change to "flight deck", but also saw the availability plummet! Then I switched to American and haven't seen anything similar. I don't use spotify, or for that matter any of the inflight library because it's so limited, so wouldn't have looked there. Will be very happy if that trend reverses and I'll be keeping an eye out.
 
I usually included the weather since the plane didn't have wifi. Also tried to warn people if there was going to be a long taxi after landing.
 
As I stated, by the time I have hit pause and removed one ear of my headphones, the announcement is often over.
I’m trying to imagine how that would work… “Attention valued customers, please stand by for a PA announcement that will commence just as soon as the gentleman in 18C has removed his headphones.” But seriously, I can’t think of a good solution that will help you without annoying someone else.
That's a very extreme example. Of course flying wins.
Flying beats Greyhound in any contest, unless the flight cancels (or worse).
Yes. That's what I'm complaining about. The lack of any sort of advancement in the area of comfort for literally decades while customer sizes have increased. Well summarized.
Airlines give their customers as much comfort as the market is willing to pay for. That said, I think the lie-flat seats available on many transcon and most international flights are a quantum leap forward from what was available prior to their introduction. Meanwhile, the economy cabin may be less comfortable, but fares are far lower than, say, 1975.
 
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Ahem; what the *mass* market is willing to pay for.

Midwest did all business class seating until Republic fully swallowed them up.
Midwest Express, Air Atlanta, MGM Grand, Southwest. Three of those specialized in offering an exclusively high-end product.
One still exists.
 
Too bad this thread has descended into a “O Yeah?” “Yeah!” “Says who?” “Says Me” back and forth.

6PC, I really appreciate your comments so keep it up.
 
Whenever I feel compelled to post about something on this thread, I have found that Roger Wilco will eventually post exactly what I wanted to say a few minutes later.

But the main points that resonated:

No one should ever say “Sit back, relax and enjoy the flight.”

And yes, be brief! I keep it to the flight time, ride conditions and thank them for coming along with us.

And Roger, thank you for the entertaining posts!
Some say that sit back and relax bit just to **** with the dead headers. So I’ve heard.
 
Too bad this thread has descended into a “O Yeah?” “Yeah!” “Says who?” “Says Me” back and forth.

6PC, I really appreciate your comments so keep it up.
I didn’t think it had regressed to that extent, but thanks for the intervention.

If nothing else, it may provide a new airline pilot with a bit of perspective from both sides of the cockpit door.
 
I think this has been a pretty positive and upbeat discussion. If someone wanted a more contentious one, they could start a thread of "should you fly high wing or low wing when using sport pilot rules because you have a DUI and like to fly teardrop approaches while operating no-radio and burning automotive fuel?"
 
I think this has been a pretty positive and upbeat discussion. If someone wanted a more contentious one, they could start a thread of "should you fly high wing or low wing when using sport pilot rules because you have a DUI and like to fly teardrop approaches while operating no-radio and burning automotive fuel?"
From an overhead break on a practice RNAV approach.
 
Even had a pretty good coat. All of it packed neatly in checked baggage.
That's better than leaving it hanging in your Brother's front closet in Texas.
And, having your car parked outside in Detroit. Covered in snow and ice.
But, who would be dumb enough to do that...
 
CA tonight only gave the turbulence PIREP on his initial PA. Which I think it's good. It's was rough. But we seem to always have "the 2 most amazing flight attendants" but how can that be true?

I've never flown with the same ones twice and they are always the 2 most amazing.

There is some fluff in our prescribed PAs.
 
CA tonight only gave the turbulence PIREP on his initial PA. Which I think it's good. It's was rough. But we seem to always have "the 2 most amazing flight attendants" but how can that be true?
I'm not always nice and friendly, but I'm *always* nice and friendly to people that bring me food or beverages. One of those little rules of thumb to help keep me alive.
 
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