Data on IR pilots as better/safer?

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I am here to learn about the safety benefits of IR.

Whenever this topic comes up, the loudest people are those that are very strongly opinionated that IR makes you a better pilot. I disagree, based on reading 100s of crash reports over the years. However, I do not have data to support my opinion.

I have never seen:
1. What is the definition of a better pilot? Are they safer, better at maintaining altitude and heading w/out an AP, have better landings, or something else?
2. Data that show that IR pilots are safer, especially in fatal accidents.

Many people say that if insurance rates are lower for IR pilots, it means they are safer. My insurance broker told me I would not get a discount if I got my IR, so not sure how universal the discount is. If insurance companies do have the data that IR pilots are safer, does anyone have access to them?

Some more info:
- I am a daytime VFR pilot, and plan to remain that way (I think flying at night and IMC is more risky)
- Juan Brown (Blancolirio) is an ATP, yet only flies daytime VFR in small planes (see this video at 11:10). That was an interesting statement.
 
You are mixing a lot of things.

If someone’s doing hard ifr they are likely in a capable plane. Maybe multi engine, and most likely flying professionally. That’s significantly different from single engine piper or Cessna with a pilot that flies once a week at best and maybe only when weather is good.

Night is definitely something you think more about in a single engine with no BRS. I’d say I maintain night currency to enable landing at more flexible hours than wanting to fly at night all the time. It’s only fun from a views point of view if you are over well lit area. 15 north of my field and it’s pitch black.

For imc, yeah I am looking at the panel upgrade we did and I am thinking with the 100nm gps alternate rule, the distance from our field to nearest ils and GA allowed (YYZ excluded except for emergencies) fields, I don’t know we’d feel comfortable doing much imc flying with the area socked in at minimums. Add the icing tendencies in fall and spring and I can see the actual use cases for our Cherokee with the kit as being limited.

So if ifr pilots better? Maybe statistically yes cause you have to train more, up here you need at least 50 cross country PIC hours and then 40 hours of instrument to get your ifr ticket. It makes a difference I think. However you are also going to see idiots who take it too far and ends up in the news.
 
I’d say that as a private pilot, you are able to fly at night, but you cannot see the clouds at night. So the chance of flying into IMC at night is pretty high. Especially when you’re new and looking at METARs along the way and some surprise weather appears. This increases dramatically when there’s no moon.

Even if you know to turn around, you’re likely to experience spatial disorientation and that is difficult to overcome. Especially if you are not instrument rated.

If you fly in good weather day VFR only over flat farms, then that is likely the safest option. Everything else is adding risk, you need an healthy mix of experience and equipment to back it up.
 
First, I don't think anyone says EVERY IFR rated pilot is better thane EVERY non-IFR pilot. But I do believe that the intense, extra training you get while earning your IFR rating makes you a more knowledgeable pilot than the average VFR pilot, and in flying as in other professions, knowledge is power. As for crash results, almost by definition, IFR pilots will fly in and survive weather that VFR pilots just don't even attempt to fly in. So sure, IFR pilots will have more weather related incidents than pilots that never fly in that weather.

I've known some awsome VFR pilots and I've know some IFR pilots that I probably wouldn't want to fly with. But on average, the extra training really does make a difference.
 
My motivation in getting the instrument rating was it provided a safety margin. If I'm out flying (and instrument proficient), it's not as much of a problem to blunder into IMC or have overcast/broken clouds over my destination.
 
I see the IR as a tool, not a panacea. Proper use of the tool can enhance safety and I think that in general the Insurance community agrees, all things being equal. Getting an IR certainly made me a better pilot, not just stick & rudder skills (which is really just a small portion of the IR) but in overall aviation knowledge particularly on how the NAS actually functions and ADM. As a tool, it's still incumbent for a pilot to understand their own and their equipment's capabilities and limitations and then make decisions based upon their personal level of risk acceptance. Just because Juan says he'll only fly GA VFR speaks to his risk comfort level, not that single engine GA IFR is unsafe. Risk and safety are not synonyms, but they are related, and pilots have to assess how to balance risk and safety.
 
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You may have a skewed picture. It's not, "it's safer for a pilot to be in solid IMC and fly an approach to minimums in turbulent conditions." It's, "the training for the rating generally makes a pilot more precise, increases both aircraft and system knowledge, making for a better pilot."

I don't have stats on the subject, but the insurance underwriters who do seem to agree on that.
 
It's not the rating, it's the skillset that comes with it.
You can aquire most of the skills without a rating, and be just as safe, but at that point might as well go the extra (nautical) mile and get the rating.
Speaking of skillset, you have to maintain it throughout your flying career, rating or no rating.
The three hours or so (forgot the actual number) of simulated instrument time is completely inadequate (IMHO) for most practical VFR into IMC scenarios.
A VFR pilot's goal should be to fly a few hours of foggle (or actual, with someone rated in the plane) time every year, including shooting a couple practice approaches, at a minimum. That way, when you get trapped on top of a solid layer you have a fighting chance of understanding what it takes to punch through it and land safely.
 
While there are a lot of variables, I think one that needs to be considered is the difference in risk considerations between the two pilot groups you’re looking at.

VFR pilot won’t (shouldn’t) launch in marginal WX. IFR pilot will consider it and do it some/most of the time, thus an additional risk factor that VFR pilot doesn’t have.

How you parse that in your stats to get meaningful data I have no idea.
 
I am here to learn about the safety benefits of IR.

Whenever this topic comes up, the loudest people are those that are very strongly opinionated that IR makes you a better pilot. I disagree, based on reading 100s of crash reports over the years. However, I do not have data to support my opinion.

I have never seen:
1. What is the definition of a better pilot? Are they safer, better at maintaining altitude and heading w/out an AP, have better landings, or something else?
2. Data that show that IR pilots are safer, especially in fatal accidents.

Many people say that if insurance rates are lower for IR pilots, it means they are safer. My insurance broker told me I would not get a discount if I got my IR, so not sure how universal the discount is. If insurance companies do have the data that IR pilots are safer, does anyone have access to them?

Some more info:
- I am a daytime VFR pilot, and plan to remain that way (I think flying at night and IMC is more risky)
- Juan Brown (Blancolirio) is an ATP, yet only flies daytime VFR in small planes (see this video at 11:10). That was an interesting statement.
You are confusing 2 issues. The risks involved with a flight and the safety / proficiency of the pilot.

I can think of zero activities with a risk of death when more training does not result in increased safety and proficiency. Every flight has some degree of risk and you as PIC need to assess and decide if the risk justified.

I didn’t click your link, but it seems Juan Brown has decided that flight in IMC or night in a single engine piston airplane has risks he is unwilling to accept. He is not alone in that assessment.

Every added rating has both a requirement for increased training and experience. For you to believe an instrument isn’t safer than a non IR pilot is nonsense.
 
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I don’t like the terms good/better/best when it comes to groups of people. There’s too much subjectivity involved for my taste.

Safe/safer is another thing that’s really hard to assign as well until there’s an objective definition.

That said, a rating is a point in time snapshot of a pilot’s performance. What they do to maintain the skills they acquired is one thing. Their personal risk tolerances are another. One of our partners holds an ATP rating, yet hasn’t been current for IFR purposes in close to a decade and hasn’t been night current for a few years. His choice, but I would not say he is a better or safer pilot than any other pilot in our owner group.
 
I can tell you, from my experience, that getting the IR made me a much better pilot. However, I'm not going to shoot approaches to minimums in a single engine bug smasher unless I absolutely have to. My main use of the IR is to punch thru layers that otherwise would make a VFR XC not possible. An example of "IR is not the solution to everything": The other day I was IFR and asked ATC to get me under the clouds so I could see the rain bands and deviate, instead of flying into the clouds in IMC without a weather radar.
 
You may have a skewed picture. It's not, "it's safer for a pilot to be in solid IMC and fly an approach to minimums in turbulent conditions." It's, "the training for the rating generally makes a pilot more precise, increases both aircraft and system knowledge, making for a better pilot."
This is the bottom line…training improves pilots and makes them safer.

As to the specifics of an instrument rating, as @AV8R_87 indicated, continued practice and training are necessary for the “in the clouds” part. For a VFR pilot, I think the U of Illinois/AOPA 180-degree-turn technique is better, as it relies on airplane stability rather than perishable pilot skills.
 
I'm surprised that the Nall McSpadden report doesn't break down weather accidents by pilots with/without the instrument rating.
 
In The Killing Zone: How and Why Pilots Die, Paul Craig presents "Continued VFR into IFR Conditions" as the main killer of pilots. He clarifies later he means by pilots not rated for Instrument flight. The chapter is filled with data and reports from accident databases. If that is indeed one of, if not the, top killer of pilots, then it stands to reason that being trained for instrument flight would make one less likely to die in an airplane.
 
In The Killing Zone: How and Why Pilots Die, Paul Craig presents "Continued VFR into IFR Conditions" as the main killer of pilots. He clarifies later he means by pilots not rated for Instrument flight. The chapter is filled with data and reports from accident databases. If that is indeed one of, if not the, top killer of pilots, then it stands to reason that being trained for instrument flight would make one less likely to die in an airplane.
The last statistic I saw on that was that VFR into IMC fatals are divided roughly equally between instrument rated and non-instrument rated pilots. I think that was in the Nall report at one time.

Edit…this 1989 study had 77% not instrument rated.
By 2011 it was closer to half…
 
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And this guy, did the stats in IIRC 2003 in an Aviation Safety article. Improper IFR is 90% fatal. So if you farm further up the grade with a better tractor, be sure to "do it right".
 
I did an IFR flight recently where the destination was sky clear and visibility 7-8SM. En route was IMC, well not exactly clouds but visibility reduced enough to where I was operating under instruments (on an IFR flight plan of course). I could still sort of see the ground. I guess this is a hazy area where I’m not sure if it’s considered VMC or IMC and whether to log actual or not. Because in IR training it was all about the clouds. This was all about the Canadian wildfire smoke.

Coming up on the airport, the destination airport conditions were VFR but ATC suggested that I do an approach due to the reduced visibility in the area and other landing traffic reports. I also got on frequency to ask landing traffic for a PIREP. I ran the approach perfectly and I was satisfied with my approach, I couldn’t see the airport for most of the approach so I was pretty satisfied tackling a new to me approach that was popped up on me last minute. I was originally planning to fly direct to the airport and enter the traffic pattern but I also needed ATC to descend me at some point too. This worked out well.

On another flight, reduced visibility at night, was not as fun, I really had to focus on my pilot skills and trust my equipment. Once I got to my destination, I switched the autopilot off to fly the traffic pattern but with reduced visibility, the night and a bit of turbulence with no moon and little ground light, this was high workload and not easy. I definitely understood that I have got a little too comfortable with the autopilot, and that I need more experience hand flying too especially in turbulent conditions.

Nowadays, I try to learn something from each flight that I can bring to my next flight.

As far as the night flight without a moon in rural areas, if the engine quit, it’s game over.
 
Putting these two statements together got me thinking…notice how the percentage of instrument rated pilots in the VFR into IMC statistics increased (roughly doubled) between these two studies. Why? I have no idea, but some thoughts are:

In 1985, the FAA started decreasing the total time requirement for an instrument rating, from 200 to 125 and finally to anything with a Private Pilot certificate. This probably increased the percentage of instrument rated pilots, and also decreased the experience level of a significant segment of instrument rated pilots.

Additionally, in the early 2000s the FAA removed the time requirement for instrument currency…it went from 6 hours and 6 approaches in 6 months to just the approaches, holding, intercepting, and tracking, so potentially lower proficiency levels for IFR pilots.

How much impact those things actually have, I have no idea. It would take significant analysis of raw data that I don’t have. But it makes me wonder.

And just to clarify, I’m not taking anything away from what I said earlier about the value of the instrument rating, just putting these two statistics into some kind of a framework.
 
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And this guy, did the stats in IIRC 2003 in an Aviation Safety article. Improper IFR is 90% fatal. So if you farm further up the grade with a better tractor, be sure to "do it right".
Reminds me of what my dad said about 4-wheel drive vehicles. "Oh you'll still get stuck, but it will be in much more remote and inaccessible places!"
 
So if you farm further up the grade with a better tractor, be sure to "do it right".
Great way to put it, Bruce.
I could still sort of see the ground. I guess this is a hazy area where I’m not sure if it’s considered VMC or IMC and whether to log actual or not.

I believe you log actual IFR when you are flying solely with reference to instruments. I think for most pilots, it is less than 10% of their total hours.
 
The IR does not confer anything useful if skills are not kept current. I wonder about this everytime I read about an all-too-often VFR-into-IMC accident by an instrument-rated pilot. Were they current? Were they not confident of their IFR skills? Or were they, despite instrument training, flying in weather not suitable for the aircraft? Having an IR does not necessarily correlate with good decision making. I've said this many times: in a light single, the IR basically takes most of the stress out of flying MVFR.

Here are my observations about the IR as a 36-year instrument pilot of a simple light single:

1. Having an IR does not enable all-weather flight in a light single. Get over it. There will still be plenty of unflyable days.
2. Having an IR allows tackling MVFR conditions with confidence and less uncertainty.
3. IR training will make you more comfortable working with ATC.
4. The IR makes night flying much safer in terms of obstacle avoidance, but does not ameliorate all concerns about single-engine night XC.

For the average single engine flib-flyer, #2 is an important a safety enhancement. Plain and simple, there is simply no excuse to get into a VFR-into-IMC pickle in MVFR if you simply file. It's too easy to file and fly above 8000-9000 MSL BKN or OVC tops or between layers in otherwise benign weather than to slog between 3000 MSL bases and rising terrain.

I will fly night XC on occasion in VFR conditions, but always file IFR to ensure obstacle clearance. I have a hard and fast rule of flying an instrument approach into my home airport at night when returning night XC regardless of visibility. (Both approaches to our airport are black holes with tall hills surrounding. No reason to flirt with terrain VFR night unless in the pattern.) For some reason, as I get older, I get more squeamish about night XC. (Having said that, I just did a short night XC for night currency purposes.) Night IFR in IMC? Nope.

I do believe that modern avionics have made a huge difference in the ability to fly IFR more easily. I trained with the old stuff: VOR (analog CDI off to the side of the primary instruments), ADF, etc. I find that IFR GPS and in-front EFIS displays like the G5, and in-flight weather through XM-WX or ADS-B, especially when coupled to an autopilot capable of GNSS roll steering, is like cheating. But it adds an additional layer of support for safe operation.
 
When I did flight reviews for non instrument rated pilots one of the weakest areas was consistently the simulated instrument portion. About half had trouble with basic straight and level, turns, climbs, and descents.
 
I am here to learn about the safety benefits of IR.
Really? Because it kinda looks like you're here to look for reinforcement of your lack of desire to fly IFR - You said you're a day VFR pilot and plan to remain that way. That's fine, but don't think that getting the IR wouldn't make you a better pilot in the generic sense.

Now... Do you fly a Pitts and do aerobatics? Well, an IR is probably not going to make you better in that case, if you're good at aerobatics. Flying a plane like that with those kinds of maneuvers demands even more precision. But for the average pilot who flies average spam cans and does leave the pattern, the IR will sill make them a better pilot.

FWIW, that's pretty well true of training in general. Post-PP, I've gotten my instrument, commercial, and multi. I've done several aerobatic lessons, I've taken a mountain flying course, I've gotten a job flying turbines, helped a company get a 135 up and running, and become a Director of Safety knowing absolutely nothing about any of it to start with. I've read a gazillion accident reports. All of that has made me a better pilot in one way or another.

I've also read a gazillion PoA posts, and that has made me both better and worse. :rofl: But I've learned a lot of things from people over the years. Ron Levy, @bbchien, @John Collins, @midlifeflyer, @Larry in TN, @Bell206, @wanttaja, @Dan Thomas, @Ted, and others have been particularly interesting/helpful/educational. And if I ever go crazy enough to try to (re)build an engine or airplane, I'll definitely be coming back to @Jim K's greatest hits, which I also enjoy even if only to live vicariously through him.

Whenever this topic comes up, the loudest people are those that are very strongly opinionated that IR makes you a better pilot. I disagree, based on reading 100s of crash reports over the years.
Show me one crash report where NOT having an instrument rating would have led to a better outcome.

However, I do not have data to support my opinion.
There's a reason for that.

That said, going through the mounds of data to make the assertion that it is safer is a significant time investment. The ones who'll benefit from that are the insurance companies. And while there are situations where having an IR does not confer any benefit (such as the Pitts example above), the IR will get you a discount a lot of the time, and it will sometimes be a prerequisite to obtaining coverage. Do you have 4,000 hours of VFR with no accidents or incidents in a Citabria? IR probably won't help you. 200 hour pilot looking to get into a Cirrus or Bonanza? Not having it might get expensive. 200 hour pilot looking to get into a TBM? It'll be a requirement.

1. What is the definition of a better pilot? Are they safer, better at maintaining altitude and heading w/out an AP, have better landings, or something else?
All of those things would point toward a better pilot... But I think the ones that really matter, aside from the obvious "can fly into less than ideal weather and have much less chance of crashing", are things like being more procedure-oriented. When forgetting things can kill you, you tend to be better at following procedures, which tends to help with putting the gear down before you land, for example.

The most important thing to me - The thing that will make me comfortable putting my family in the back of your airplane - is the decisions you make. I'll want a certain amount of stick and rudder skill, of course, but I also want to know that you'll properly assess and mitigate risks, make and execute backup plans, all that sort of thing.

- I am a daytime VFR pilot, and plan to remain that way (I think flying at night and IMC is more risky)
Of course it's more risky. Being rated removes much of the risk, but knowing the system inside and out and learning more about weather and maintenance and all that allows you to more accurately assess and mitigate the additional risks.

In fact, being instrument rated can help you be much safer at night VFR; should I ever become a CFI one of the things I plan to do with my students is to show them the basics of IFR flight planning to help them be safer at night. For example, there are airports even here in the relatively flat Midwest that have significant terrain nearby... And rocks aren't lit. It's VERY worthwhile when flying at night, even if VFR, to read and follow the IFR obstacle departure procedures until you're at an IFR-safe altitude, use IFR-safe altitudes en route, and potentially even use an approach procedure to help get you down safely depending on safe altitudes/terrain/obstacles in the vicinity of the destination airport.

- Juan Brown (Blancolirio) is an ATP, yet only flies daytime VFR in small planes (see this video at 11:10). That was an interesting statement.
Meh, I've seen lots of airline pilots who think that way. Would I rather be flying a multiengine transport category jet when conditions suck? Sure. Does that mean you can't be reasonably safe in a piston single at night or IFR? Not at all.

Kinda reminds me of the joke about the retired airline pilot going back to flying a 172. He calls up the tower and says "I'm ready for takeoff, and I'd like to declare an emergency." Tower says "What is the nature of your emergency?" and he replies, "Well, I'm down to one engine and my First Officer is missing!" :rofl:
 
I could not be happier with getting my IFR. I live in central Ohio and having IFR has opened up the capability for me to fly much more often than when I was only VFR. I do my best to remain current and proficient. I try to get out and into the clouds often. I like the challenge. I feel since doing so much IFR flying, it has made me a much more observant VFR pilot in regard to the how's and why's of how the NAS operates. Night VFR has been a risk that I have been willing to take, but flying night IFR on a VFR day provides me a much more comfortable experience. I would rather fly an approach at night rather than join the pattern, especially on a moonless night. I have been flying for over 9 years now and I feel that I have had a decent amount of SEL experience. I have even flown a good amount of IFR at night in IMC w/o an autopilot, and feel as comfortable with it as one can. However a I experienced a significant learning experience a couple years back on a very dark moonless night. I was flying back to my home airport (in a rural area not lit up by much ambient light. I planned to cross mid field and join the left down wind. I saw the airport miles away and had no concerns. Just as I passed over mid field I went into the clouds at pattern alt....I had lights and strobes on. I was immediately caught off guard and disoriented because the nearest ASOS reported clear and a million. I never saw them coming. I immediately aborted the plan to join the pattern and went full power to climb. I continued the climb for another 2000 ft and never came out of solid IMC. Once high enough I contacted center control and told them what happened and that I was headed to the IAF for the approach into my field. They quickly gave me a pop up IFR flt plan.

long story short... had the old VFR only me been in that situation, I don't know how it would have worked out. I may have attempted a 180 turn at 1000ft AGL, or I may have thought I could climb out of it. Either way could have ended up badly. I relied on my IFR training to keep me alive, despite the significant amount of special distortions I was experiencing. I recall that when in the clouds, feeling very much like the plane was doing the opposite of what my instruments said, I was talking to myself out loud saying " we are not turning, trust your instruments". My wife was with me and remained calm but confused as to who I was talking to :)

back to your questions. I don't know how much data is out there. On here its simply speculation with a lot of individual experience.

I don't think there is any data out there to support the notion that earning your IFR makes you worse. I speculate that it can only make you better. Even if you don't intend to use it, but have a plan to stay current and proficient via flying VFR with a safety pilot you are likely better off than not having the IFR rating. Others have mentioned that it is a tool in your aviators toolbox. It is much better to have a serviceable tool in your toolbox rather be in the middle of a project and realize you need a very specific tool.
 
The more training and experience one has, the less likely they are to be involved in an accident. I am of the mindset that more training is better than less. You’d be amazed how much value there is in the instrument rating.
 
I am here to learn about the safety benefits of IR.

Whenever this topic comes up, the loudest people are those that are very strongly opinionated that IR makes you a better pilot. I disagree, based on reading 100s of crash reports over the years. However, I do not have data to support my opinion.

I have never seen:
1. What is the definition of a better pilot? Are they safer, better at maintaining altitude and heading w/out an AP, have better landings, or something else?
2. Data that show that IR pilots are safer, especially in fatal accidents.

Many people say that if insurance rates are lower for IR pilots, it means they are safer. My insurance broker told me I would not get a discount if I got my IR, so not sure how universal the discount is. If insurance companies do have the data that IR pilots are safer, does anyone have access to them?

Some more info:
- I am a daytime VFR pilot, and plan to remain that way (I think flying at night and IMC is more risky)
- Juan Brown (Blancolirio) is an ATP, yet only flies daytime VFR in small planes (see this video at 11:10). That was an interesting statement.

For fatal accidents, how would you determine if IR pilots were safer?
 
For fatal accidents, how would you determine if IR pilots were safer?
Percent of fatal accidents where the pilot had IR, corrected by the % of total pilots that have IR.

For example, if 30% of all pilots have IR, but 50% of all fatal accidents have a pilot with IR, then IR pilots would have a 2.33X greater risk of a fatal accident.
 
Percent of fatal accidents where the pilot had IR, corrected by the % of total pilots that have IR.

For example, if 30% of all pilots have IR, but 50% of all fatal accidents have a pilot with IR, then IR pilots would have a 2.33X greater risk of a fatal accident.

Is there some correction for number of hours flown? For example, I bet way more than 99% of the planes in the sky right now have multiple IR rated pilots.


I bet the insurance info ought tell the truth.
 
Commercial makes you a better pilot.
Instrument gives you more tools.
 
Percent of fatal accidents where the pilot had IR, corrected by the % of total pilots that have IR.

For example, if 30% of all pilots have IR, but 50% of all fatal accidents have a pilot with IR, then IR pilots would have a 2.33X greater risk of a fatal accident.
If 20% of basic arithmetic students get a failing grade, but 25% of calculus students get a failing grade, does that mean basic arithmetic students are smarter than calculus students?
 
I've read a lot of NTSB accident reports. Almost all state what certificates the pilot held (Private, Commercial, etc.) but only recall the instrument rating being mentioned if it was directly germane to the accident. For instance, only 76 out of the ~3200 Cessna 172 accidents in my database were due to continued VFR into IFR conditions. I'm sure those 76 state whether the pilots were instrument rated.

Now, I'm just a knuckle-dragging single-seat open-cockpit homebuilt pilot. Never had any urge to get an instrument rating. I point my nose at the number painted on the closest end of the runway and pull the big lever back just before there's a "thump."

So my opinion on this topic probably doesn't matter. But I've always viewed the IR as teaching how to fly *with precision*. I cannot see a situation where increased skill makes one more hazardous, rather than less.

Now...certainly, having the rating *may* induce overconfidence. The pilot may tackle a situation that he or she is actually unable to handle.

But if that's the situation for EVERY ONE of those 76 accidents, that's only 2.3% of the total accidents.

But...I looked at the first 20 of those 76 accidents. 14 involved pilots with no instrument rating. Three were ambiguous (didn't state pilot's IR status), three involved pilots with the rating. So, at worst, only a third of the Continued VFR into IFR cases involved instrument rated pilots. So we're down to less than 1% of the total Cessna 172 accidents.

Seems like it doesn't happen enough to matter.

Ron Wanttaja
 
If 20% of basic arithmetic students get a failing grade, but 25% of calculus students get a failing grade, does that mean basic arithmetic students are smarter than calculus students?
You raise a critical point where normally these things go off on a tangent.
I think I will just sine off on this discussion for now.
 
Wait, what?

My world is shattered!

Yours was the first flight simulator I ever played.

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Yeah, kinda embarrassing that I made enough in royalties to buy my first airplane based on an instrument flight simulator which I wasn't qualified to fly....

I see you had the high-tech Commodore 64 version. The VIC-20 version was for REAL fans....
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Ron Wanttaja
 
Just to pile on, the instrument rating makes you a better and more precise pilot. Doesn’t mean you ever have to fly another day on an instrument flight plan or a day in weather, but at that point in time, you built better control over pitch power and performance than you ever did as a VFR pilot.

I would encourage you to get the training, it’ll serve you well, and may come in handy on that day where judgement or fate gotcha somewhere where you didn’t belong.

Even if you never file a flight plan in the future. If you wanna go gold star, the commercial makes you an even better VFR pilot, and the ATP makes you an even better instrument pilot. All by taking you to the next level of precision with pitch power and performance. :-)

Want to punish your right leg for no good reason at all? Getting your multi-rating makes you an even better single engine pilot. Flying an underpowered twin engine aircraft on one engine teaches you more about aerodynamics then you’ll ever learn flying a single. ;-)
 
Relevant and varied experience makes better pilots. Earning an instrument rating takes time and effort and exposes you to a more varied flying environment, which naturally builds experience - and with it, improved skills.

Is a pilot with an ATP certificate necessarily better than one with only a Commercial certificate? Generally, yes - but not because something special happens when you pass the ATP checkride. The difference usually lies in the greater flight time and experience required to reach that level. That said, I’ve flown with ATP-rated airline captains who handled a Cessna 182 like newly minted private pilots. Their experience was rooted in a very different operational context, supported by large ground crews and infrastructure. In a general aviation aircraft, you're the dispatcher, captain, first officer, navigator, and flight attendant all in one - so their extensive airline experience didn’t always translate to the GA environment. So relevant experience also matters, not just experience.
 
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