Any Traffic in the Area, Please Follow the AIM
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Ed Haywood
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I got enough things to get ****ed off about without adding what people say on the radio to the list.
Roger Wilco
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Normally the ridiculous green bag and patches would cause me to scroll right on by with a snicker. But I watched this one and found it to be accurate and on point. And rather than opinions, he advocates best-practices found in the AIM, which he references in the video.
Now if he really wants to make the world a better place, maybe he can help stamp-out the gratuitous misuse of overhead patterns at busy GA airports (except when operationally necessary, which is uncommon).
Last call.
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It does for me. It’s automatic.
Give this one a try:
The one linked in this comment not AI
And we see AirBus as egregious as Boeing. Though, as often is the case, confluence.
Something to say for Ron is he will read comments in his thread, generally will reply, and if you correct him, he’ll look into it and take feedback on board. I don’t know why he has been playing with the AI for imagery lately though. It isn’t working. Worse, he hasn’t been QAing it. It’s like he reads his script, which he took a moment to put together and either write or outline, but has let the visuals go.
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Nah. It’s a design flaw in me about people who tout credentials. I automatically tune them out. I react to it like click bait.
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I have had 3 captains greet me in the cockpit at work with the "I have been doing this for 30 years" spiel.
All are now on my avoid list. Feels like that lead in guarantees they will do some boneheaded stuff that will make the flight a pain in the ass.
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Green bag and patches? The flight suit?
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Is this the Captain Ron who used to get crucified here? The one who became POAdeleted or something like that?
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It is not.
Timbeck2
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He was pretty good in Jaws.
Roger Wilco
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Yep
I'll have a double bourbon in a to-go cup.
Nope, you're talking about Ron Levy who I believe is still haunting the piece of junk AOPA forums. I've flown with him. Doesn't look anything like this guy.
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My response to the call is "Two Bud Lights".
For "any traffic please advise," it's, "Bumper to bumper on US 1."
Assuming the frequency is not too busy.
My other answer to "last call" is "You promise?"
Lindberg
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I used to work with a guy who would tell everybody that he knew what he was talking about because he was a "25-year lawyer." That earned him the secret nickname "TFYL" (pronounced "tiffle").
AI thumbnails aren’t all the same. This one is AI but clean(ish) and not offending to my eyes. I have a large YT channel and I can’t create thumbnails to save my life. Would you rather I spent 4 hours to create a crappy one or 5 minutes creating a good one and spending the rest of the time creating good content? AI is about how you use it.
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I LOVE that one! I might steal it!
That’s funny, seems here when I put up ideas and concepts, the first thing I get is “what are your qualifications?” as if I must lead with such and by not volunteering such anything I have offered is automatically to be discarded.
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I've been participating in online forums since the early 1990s. Never heard that even once.
Most people here know my background at this point and, these days it's easy to find out. If you AI my name with the word aviation or IFR, you'll find that some people consider me an expert of sorts. I'm not sure why, but I can say that whatever reputation I've managed to acquire in that respect is based on the my uncredentialed forum content through the years, not vice versa.
I have not been here very long at all but I’ve gotten plenty of it.
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I think the difference might be that, from the beginning, on the subjects where people later started to consider me to be somewhat savvy, I tended to include verifiable references rather than my naked opinion. I actually learned that from a teacher in high school. And it absolutely does not prevent people from disagreeing with me. Nor does it prevent me from being wrong.
As they say, opinions are like a-holes; everyone has them." In the absence of verified references or developed reputation for reliability "why should I even listen to you?" is fair game. This one you pasted seems a perfect example of that. All @Doc Holliday is asking in his friendly way is, "what's the basis of your view of how the NTSB internal investigatory process and their development of recommendations works?"
Mine were loaded with references. You’d also be hard pressed to say they were lacking in savvy too. Did you see any naked opinion anywhere in mine?
Ed Haywood
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And to confirm, you're talking about the "misuse" of the Overhead Pattern Entry" not the use of it if done correctly, busy or not.
Although I totally get the "teardrop" description, way too many people have no clue. I've even heard of some basically trying to do a 270 in the middle of the pattern and the 45 entry. You really have to wonder about some of these guys!!
And if we could just get "Last Call" added to the AIM along with "Any Traffic" I'd be a happy camper!
(Although I have to admit I don't hear it much now that I've moved to the PNW.)There are still AOPA forums???? Might have to take a walk down memory lane.
And AVSIG still shows up if you do a search. But nothing there.
An overhead entry is one of the best ways to both spot your interval and work into a busy pattern. The overhead entry is essentially an outside upwind to crosswind. Add the energy depleting turn and you have the overhead break. They’re not cosmic. Put resolving interval to the upwind crosswind instead of downwind base with everyone extending deep. Put the traffic all forward quarter not merely forward hemisphere. And have it in a manner that you will see contrast traffic vs background to which the forty-five to downwind doesn’t accomplish.
Ran across someone that is supposedly an attorney in a different site. He was telling everyone that you were committing fraud and the FAA would take away all your certificates if you logged Safety PIC as PIC. He seemed to have a single focus on the aircraft rental agreement and didn't want to hear about how the FAA didn't care about anyone's rental contract and that would be a different issue if it came up.
Not as such. They pulled the plug on the red board. That was the last straw for me. I canceled my AOPA membership then. I was no longer getting $80+ a year out of anything there.
They created this awful forum in their membership management software (which is absolutely hideous). Last I saw Ron Levy, he was holding court there.
Apparently he’s taken to writing IFR articles for AvBrief now.
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Except that most non-military pilots have no freaking idea where you are going. Great, call overhead break in a busy pattern full of student pilots. I guarantee no one knows what you are going to do or what they should do based on your call.
Or call it an outside upwind to crosswind entry and they’ll readily get it while having no change to what it actually is. And also stop training to the lowest common denominator. For all you strict rules adherents out there, should probably know the rules.
It is in the AIM and also it is in the AC 90-66.
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Or do what I did when I was entering a pattern a couple years ago and a nervous student pilot let me know he was on his first solo. I forget the entry I was on, but I basically told him, keep doing what you are doing and I'll get out of your way. Lowest common denominator, sure, but right thing to do, also yes.
Yes, and that is a highly contextual thing. And yes, good view to right. In this we should note right is not synonymous with correct. Right is toward survival while correct is aimed to compliance.