I got an iPhone!!!!

Update: Waiting for the activation process to complete. Apparently AT&T wasn't prepared for the numbers. Lots of people are in the same boat, and ticked. The biggest problem is for folks who are transferring or changing phones on a current AT&T account. They're losing their previous phone and the iPhone still doesn't show as activated. A number of people are talking about returning their iPhone and demanding a full refund (making AT&T absorb the 10% restock fee). AT&T responses have been across the board. Some folks have gotten activated via an AT&T rep on the phone, some have been told they just have to wait, some have been offered a 15$ credit on their account, some an 80$ credit, and some have been talked down to basically being told they must've done something wrong during the process.

Problem is that even though this issue isn't Apple's fault, they'll probably be dragged down on Monday along with AT&T stock if things don't smooth out by the end of the weekend. :/

Well, time to sleep, we'll see how things are in the morning :D
 
Just for the record, my Treo does everything I need it to,
...and that is the key. Buying a bunch of un-needed features is a waste of money that could be used for Hobbs time. However, some people just need to have the latest, the coolest...

I applaud Apple for a great marketing campaign. At 5:50pm last night, there were about 200 people in line outside Circuit City. Me, I'll wait for the need and by then we ought to be at iPhone 2.0 or higher.

-Skip
 
...and that is the key. Buying a bunch of un-needed features is a waste of money that could be used for Hobbs time. However, some people just need to have the latest, the coolest...

I absolutely don't "need" the iPhone, but it's a nifty gadget to add to my list of toys. Think of it as a 496. ;)
 
I absolutely don't "need" the iPhone, but it's a nifty gadget to add to my list of toys. Think of it as a 496. ;)


Wooohhaaaaa there cowboy. You live in the "drippy summer southeast" like I do...I would NOT put the 496, which is a valuable tool to get around the bubble-storms we get here during the summer with the iPhone.

They are not even in the same league.
 
So the iPhone doesn't change Apple's business model? You'd think they'd grow tired of super-hyping inferior products. Sigh.

Actually, most of the Apple products work and work well.

And, most of the hype on this is not even coming from Apple.

This one is being sold for the connectivity features, and if it doesn't live up to the expectations on network speed, then I'd expect a bunch of unhappy customers.
 
Well sitting on my passenger seat is an 8GB iPhone. Kent, want it? :)

Yeah right. :p

Store was out of 'em by the time I went in at 9:45 PM. They only had 30 to begin with. I ordered one, supposedly those who ordered 'em in AT&T stores last night will be getting them direct from their warehouses when they come in, and before those who ordered them from the Apple Store.

I did get to play with their demo model for a while. The most annoying thing? Due to my big fingers, the on-screen keyboard kept recognizing one letter to the right of what I was trying to hit. Give it some credit, that's where my skin was actually touching the screen first 'cuz my finger was at an angle, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.

Other than that... Quite impressive. 8GB just ain't enough tho. :no: I'll have to figure out which pics and which songs I'm really going to want on it.
 
1. EDGE. You can slap all the schmancy UI stuff and browser functionality you want into a device, but if I use it and start craving mid-1990's level bandwidth, it won't matter one hoot.

It ain't THAT slow. My computer reports speeds of around 25KB (yes, kiloBYTES) per second when connected through edge. That's roughly slow (256kbps) DSL speeds. It's tolerable.

3. No wireless iTunes. Seriously, other than a glitzy UI (which I will give Apple some props on), why would I consider ditching my iPod and my Blackberry for something that has lousy network connectivity (see #1) and diminishes my overall communication ability (see #2) and doesn't get me any added convenience or functionality?

Ah, but it does. The full-blown web browser is a big improvement over most other cell phones. I've had enough of "The page is too large to load. Please select another link" for one lifetime.

Seriously, people who go out and buy the iPhone are paying for a spiffy UI, the opportunity to help Apple troubleshoot their product, and nothing more.

The spiffy UI is where it's at. As mentioned, my current phone does almost everything the iPhone does and some things it doesn't, and that's why I bought it... But it's such a pain in the butt to use those features that I just haven't. I've taken a grand total of under 50 pics with it, I've put three songs onto it, I haven't done any of the custom-ringtone stuff that I wanted it for, blah blah blah. The UI is the only thing I'm really missing.

Now, give me wireless iTunes,

Why on earth would you want to download music over a cell network? *yawn*

a real SDK for people to make killer apps,

Agree wholeheartedly. It'll come, but it'll take a year or two.

actual email

It's got e-mail... :confused:

Revolutionary? Hardly.

Ah, but it is... Again, it's all in the UI.
 
I applaud Apple for a great marketing campaign. At 5:50pm last night, there were about 200 people in line outside Circuit City.

Wow, they're gonna be disappointed... Unless they were there for something else. Only Apple and AT&T branded stores had the iPhone at launch. CC, BB, Wallyworld, etc. will have to wait a while.
 
It ain't THAT slow. My computer reports speeds of around 25KB (yes, kiloBYTES) per second when connected through edge. That's roughly slow (256kbps) DSL speeds. It's tolerable.

That'd have to be around major cities, where the coverage is good. Most places you'll be lucky to get half that. To be fair, the same pattern exists with the other cellular broadband offerings, but they're all still a lot faster.

And how is 256kbps (which, let's be honest, won't do the experience of using the full web browser any favors) "revolutionary"? :dunno:

Ah, but it does. The full-blown web browser is a big improvement over most other cell phones. I've had enough of "The page is too large to load. Please select another link" for one lifetime.

The non-"candy bar" Blackberries have a pretty robust browser. It's not a real browser, but it's close. And it's got a keyboard. Again, the iPhone does it better, but that's hardly "revolutionary".

The spiffy UI is where it's at. As mentioned, my current phone does almost everything the iPhone does and some things it doesn't, and that's why I bought it... But it's such a pain in the butt to use those features that I just haven't. I've taken a grand total of under 50 pics with it, I've put three songs onto it, I haven't done any of the custom-ringtone stuff that I wanted it for, blah blah blah. The UI is the only thing I'm really missing.

Well good on ya, then. :) I'm just not into the idea of spending $500+, ditching two devices I currently have, getting locked in to a vendor with sub-par service and broadband capabilities, and losing key functionality (a decent keyboard) all for a fancy UI. It just ain't worth it.

Why on earth would you want to download music over a cell network? *yawn*

Why wouldn't I? If they're going to market this as a pocket computer (and if you do look at it that way, even the UMPCs have it beat hands down becaue they actually are PCs), I'd think it'd make sense to be able to move one function of my PC to it. And it's just the next logical progression... the kind of thing that comes close to being revolutionary. Putting wifi and cellular broadband in an iPod, and still saying, "Sorry, you still gotta take it home and plug it into a PC if you want to grab a new song" just isn't cool -- and isn't revolutionary. And if I had the ability to hear a song in passing on the street or just randomly remember one, download it, and listen to it right there, all with the super-cool UI of the iPhone, that is something that is something I'd think would be worth $300-$400.

Agree wholeheartedly. It'll come, but it'll take a year or two.

I don't doubt it will. In fact, if I had to guess, I'd have to agree with a lot of speculators out there say that this is Apple's "trojan horse" into the cell market. Sure it's locked down, but eventually it won't be and it won't be vendor-specific. Then, hopefully, Apple will really go to town and release a device that's actually worth $500.

It's got e-mail... :confused:

But with that keyboard, I'd be better off trying to type using T9 on a run-of-the-mill cell phone. Doesn't come close to giving me the functionality of the Blackberry. It'd be a step backwards for people with Blackberries (like me) to buy an iPhone.

Ah, but it is... Again, it's all in the UI.

I just don't agree... It's a lot of bells and whistles and "ooh-and-ahh" inducing schmaltz... okay, okay, it's actually really cool looking :D... but there's just very little meat there. Like you said, the only thing it has that current devices don't is a full browser (and while that's pretty sweet, that's hardly the stuff of game-changing revolution). And I'm just not of the school of thought that believes taking existing capabilities and slapping a better UI on top of them is "revolutionary". It's the RDF at work. Functionality wise, there's no "there" there.

That said, yeah, it looks really cool. And if it cost $200 (and had a workable keyboard), I might consider it. But it's just not there -- not $300 there, let alone $500 or $600 there.
 
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I rather like that they have them all on eBay now with prices all over the block. Nothing like selling something for twice what it sold in the store for and about 10 times what it's really worth.
How about a cellphone that you can actually make a phone call with?
 
I've got a Motorola Razr and a USB WWAN card from Sprint. I pay a bit more each month, but at least I have crap that works now.

So apparently you like the Razr? I had to get a new phone this past winter (practical joke gone bad at work). I was tempted to get the Razr, but ended up going with the Motorola v325 in favor of the extendable antenna (thinking better reception). Unfortunately, this spring when I got my RoGator stuck in the middle of the boonedocks, I was trying to stay in touch with our office. My phone had zero service. My co-worker pulled out his Razr and had very usable signal strength. I'm thinking about getting a Razr in Sept. when I get the "new every two" deal.
 
Me, I am amused by the fact that people are already trying to sell these things on ebay for big bucks - I saw a guy at the airport today had one, bought it last night , no waiting.

Anyone pays more than list for one of these suckers, I call, "sheep."

OBTW, guy said it's pretty cool but, quote, ?...it's just a phone .?
 
So apparently you like the Razr? I had to get a new phone this past winter (practical joke gone bad at work). I was tempted to get the Razr, but ended up going with the Motorola v325 in favor of the extendable antenna (thinking better reception). Unfortunately, this spring when I got my RoGator stuck in the middle of the boonedocks, I was trying to stay in touch with our office. My phone had zero service. My co-worker pulled out his Razr and had very usable signal strength. I'm thinking about getting a Razr in Sept. when I get the "new every two" deal.

Go Krzr, I am way more happier with that phone than with my RAZR. The Krzr, GSM mod, has a better display, camera, battery life, and fits in my hand way better. Skip the CDMA model with Verizon or Sprint. The CDMA model is really stripped down to keep the unit cost low.
 
Go Krzr, I am way more happier with that phone than with my RAZR. The Krzr, GSM mod, has a better display, camera, battery life, and fits in my hand way better. Skip the CDMA model with Verizon or Sprint. The CDMA model is really stripped down to keep the unit cost low.

Looks cool, Scot. I didn''t know about that one.

I might just be tempted with the unlocked phone being so cheap. I like the gold color.
http://www.store.motorola.com/mot/en/US/adirect/motorola?cmd=catDisplayStyle&catKey=601161

If my 8125 doesn't get more usable with a zap/reload I might go for the KRASR.

is the browser in the phone usable in a pinch for stuff like Google maps?

(And no. Like I said. I'll wait a Christmas or two for the 3rd or 4th gen iPhone.)
 
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That'd have to be around major cities, where the coverage is good. Most places you'll be lucky to get half that. To be fair, the same pattern exists with the other cellular broadband offerings, but they're all still a lot faster.

No, negative, wrong. EDGE is available on almost their entire network. I've gotten EDGE driving through the middle of freakin' Montana.

HSDPA, their "real" broadband offering, is in major cities like all of the other carriers.

So, EDGE is actually a pretty good choice. I'd estimate that I lose EDGE for GPRS well under 20% of the time. It's just about everywhere, and I think it's better than the "rural" (ie not NYC/Chicago/LA etc.) service from other carriers.

Sure it's locked down, but eventually it won't be and it won't be vendor-specific.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they have a 5-year exclusive contract with AT&T. If you could get an "unlocked" one and go elsewhere, you still wouldn't be able to do the Visual Voicemail, one of the coolest features on it. And, presumably they're going to be doing more nifty features that require Apple and the carrier to work together.

AT&T is actually a good choice for them. AT&T and Verizon are the only two that have networks large enough to have an exclusive deal like this, and Verizon wants to cripple the hell out of their phones so I'm not surprised at all that they didn't go in that direction. (Heck, it's why I switched from VZ to ATT in the first place.)

But with that keyboard, I'd be better off trying to type using T9 on a run-of-the-mill cell phone.

Disagree - It's harder than I expected, but it IS a lot easier than it looks. I'm sure once I got used to actually pointing my big fat finger straight at it it'd work great.

Again, the UI *is* the stuff. The iPod isn't necessarily any better feature-wise than the competition, the iTunes store isn't necessarily any better than the competition. So why is Apple kicking everyone's butt in music players and sales? Because it just works so well, and makes buying music so easy, that people do just that. Cool factor helps, too.

And there ARE revolutionary features like the aforementioned Visual Voicemail. Is Apple going to take over the industry? No. Too much competition already. But, they're doing the right things to make it a serious entrant into the smartphone market. Heck, it'll even sync with Outlook, contrary to rumors that have been floating around.

I bet Nokia wishes they had a product with so large of a waiting list...
 
Looks cool, Scot. I didn''t know about that one.

I might just be tempted with the unlocked phone being so cheap. I like the gold color.
http://www.store.motorola.com/mot/en/US/adirect/motorola?cmd=catDisplayStyle&catKey=601161

If my 8125 doesn't get more usable with a zap/reload I might go for the KRASR.

is the browser in the phone usable in a pinch for stuff like Google maps?

(And no. Like I said. I'll wait a Christmas or two for the 3rd or 4th gen iPhone.)

KRZR has been out for a while. It was slow to be introduced in the US but was in Europe last year. The browser is great and I use google maps on it all the time.
 
Actually, most of the Apple products work and work well.

And, most of the hype on this is not even coming from Apple.

This one is being sold for the connectivity features, and if it doesn't live up to the expectations on network speed, then I'd expect a bunch of unhappy customers.

I just couldn't agree less based on my own experience.

I have never purchased one apple product, not ONE, that worked as advertised. My whole family hates the G-whatever computer I bought them to make it "easier" for them to access the internet. Even my wife, who is not exactly a computer expert, knows crap when she sees it. The iPod issues I've had are the stuff of legends.

I'd probably leave it alone in these posts except for two things:
  1. I get tired of hearing how great all the Apple crap is when, in my experience, it doesn't work nearly as well Windows computers costing half as much; and
  2. I love giving Mike and Kent a hard time and they don't seem to take it personally :D :D
 
I actually saw one today at a friend's BBQ. nifty little phone. It had google maps on it but not (apparently) GPS. (is that right?)
 
I actually saw one today at a friend's BBQ. nifty little phone. It had google maps on it but not (apparently) GPS. (is that right?)

No GPS on the iPhone.

BTW Kent, the local AT&T store still has a handy bit of stock. Liz and I both got one, and I'm enjoying it, though I still like the real keyboard on my Treo. :D
 
I'm betting it does to meet the E911 requirements. I'm also betting that it's just not accessible from the OS.

*nodnod*

Oh, and Kent...

iPhones are fun. :D
 

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Numerous take-aparts don't show any GPS hardware...

-Rich

Coming from Verizon I was used to the idea of handset based GPS chips that were just locked out. Apparently E911 requirements can be met with JUST radiolocation via towers.

Wikipedia:E911 said:
A second phase of Enhanced 911 service is to allow a wireless or mobile telephone to be located geographically using some form of radiolocation from the cellular network, or by using a Global Positioning System built into the phone itself.
Radiolocation in cellular telephony uses base stations. Most often, this is done through triangulation between radio towers. The location of the caller or handset can be determined several ways:
  • Angle of arrival (AOA) requires at least two towers, locating the caller at the point where the lines along the angles from each tower intersect.
  • Time difference of arrival (TDOA) works like GPS using multilateration, except that it is the networks that determine the time difference and therefore distance from each tower (as with seismometers).
  • Location signature uses "fingerprinting" to store and recall patterns (such as multipath) which mobile phone signals are known to exhibit at different locations in each cell.
The first two depend on a line of sight, which can be difficult or impossible in mountainous terrain or around skyscrapers. Location signatures actually work better in these conditions however. TDMA and GSM networks such as Cingular and T-Mobile use TDOA.
CDMA networks such as Verizon Wireless and Sprint PCS tend to use handset-based radiolocation technologies, which are technically more similar to radionavigation. GPS is one of those technologies.
 
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I actually saw one today at a friend's BBQ. nifty little phone. It had google maps on it but not (apparently) GPS. (is that right?)

I think I read that the Google maps functionality uses "cellular GPS" - knowing where you are by the triangulations from the cell towers.
 
I think I read that the Google maps functionality uses "cellular GPS" - knowing where you are by the triangulations from the cell towers.

I've not had any indication on my iPhone that it knows where I am. Used Google maps a few times on it... nada.
 
I've not had any indication on my iPhone that it knows where I am. Used Google maps a few times on it... nada.
The location feature is a secure feature that is only transmitted to the E911 center and for other official uses. Seems that some paranoid standards person (wonder who that could have been?) put in a contribution that the location information would not be available to the operator or user. The fear was that people themselves could be tracked and that the user could not ensure their own privacy. That was in the CDMA standards but I am pretty sure that the people who were also doing the GSM standards copied parts of that contribution for their standard. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
KRZR has been out for a while. It was slow to be introduced in the US but was in Europe last year. The browser is great and I use google maps on it all the time.

Owell. The MOTO store page didn't say it had a browser at all, or even EDGE, mouch less 3G.

I just got a HTC 8525 in an eBay auction. That should hold me until I get an iPhone 4G or the 5G iPhone with 1gbps, 1TB disk and 1080p HD video. :D
 
Waht Apple is offering is basically hyped up UI, nothing more. What is in their phone has been in other for a while. What has been missing is these types fo phones in the US. In other markets, especially Asia this type of stuff has been out for years.

Look at this phone. I love this thing and I would use it if I could get my hands on one. http://www.motorola.com.hk/eng/motomobile/a/a1200/
 
Waht Apple is offering is basically hyped up UI, nothing more. What is in their phone has been in other for a while. What has been missing is these types fo phones in the US. In other markets, especially Asia this type of stuff has been out for years.

Look at this phone. I love this thing and I would use it if I could get my hands on one. http://www.motorola.com.hk/eng/motomobile/a/a1200/

That kinda the point(s), Scott.

1) There are countries in the world where customers can get 60(?)mbps wirelessly anywhere. It's never in the US. Yeah, we have lots lots more miles in the U.S., but still.

2) The UI IS THE WHOLE POINT. Phones like the Nokia N95 can do everything you'd want a PDA/portable computer - a lot more than the iPhone can do....as long as you can think of menus and categories the same way as the programmers did. Ummm.....Services, Internet, Web Web browser,...not supported on your carrier and when it is it's barely usuable... Total BS.
 
*nodnod*

Oh, and Kent...

iPhones are fun. :D

Yeah.

I'm thinking quite seriously about cancelling my order. :( Well, OK, I'll leave the order intact and stick it up on eBay once I get it, maybe. (I heard that several thousand iPhones have already been sold on eBay for an average price of $740.)

See, the problem is that it is missing some features that are key to ME. Everything it's got is great, and I'm sure it would do some wonderful new things for me.

However, it does not (yet, anyway) have the ability to tether my computer to the Internet. That's pretty much a deal-killer. The other limitations, I can live with for now as most of them could easily be fixed with software upgrades.

So, now, how to get online? I may keep my current phone and swap out the SIM card from the iPhone to the Sony Ericsson when I get online. Unfortunately, that's very clunky. Next-best option is to add another line to my account (already have two), and pay $10/mo for the extra line and $20/mo for unlimited data on it. Of course, that's still somewhat clunky and the cost is beginning to approach what I'd pay to just put a card in the laptop. That has crossed my mind, but as I hope to be leaving the transportation industry in a few months I don't want to get stuck in a contract that I won't use. (Of course, I thought the same thing over three years ago when I got back in the truck to begin with... :rolleyes:)

We'll see. My iPhone hasn't shipped yet, so I've got some time to mull it over. :dunno:
 
I have never purchased one apple product, not ONE, that worked as advertised. My whole family hates the G-whatever computer I bought them to make it "easier" for them to access the internet. Even my wife, who is not exactly a computer expert, knows crap when she sees it. The iPod issues I've had are the stuff of legends.

G-whatever? Just how MANY G's did you subject those poor iPods to anyway? Oh, and how is your (*cough* non-Apple) video camera working after being subjected to the same conditions? ;)

I bet if you stuck a Windows computer into an Extra 300 for a few hours and subjected it to all those gyroscopic and G forces it wouldn't fare much better. :D

Seriously Chip, you have had worse luck than anyone I know with Apple products. :dunno:

I love giving Mike and Kent a hard time and they don't seem to take it personally :D :D

Not when it's you dishing it out. Character of the "disher" does count. :yes:
 
I bet if you stuck a Windows computer into an Extra 300 for a few hours and subjected it to all those gyroscopic and G forces it wouldn't fare much better. :D

I feel sure that if I put my Windows XP Dell in the Extra and pulled the usual 30 or 40 g's the computer would not only work perfectly, it would calculate the formula for world peace and tell me how to painlessly lose 30 lbs.

Windows is just that good. :yes:
 
The number of Apple iPhones auctions available on eBay is about 4,200. The prices are all over the place. There's the one that started bidding at $.99 with a $175 shipping fee and then there is this.
Then there are the others capitalizing on the iPhones celebrity. There's one selling the link to site giving away an iPhone, the various email addresses on free services with iPhone in the name, and the "Get out of VerizonWireless Contracts" delivered digitally. Now, what exactly does he mean "digitally"?
Same types of things on Craigs list.
As a friend of mine said, this is the adult "Cabbage Patch Doll". Afterall, it is "just a phone". Wait until the bugs start appearing.
 
The number of Apple iPhones auctions available on eBay is about 4,200. The prices are all over the place. There's the one that started bidding at $.99 with a $175 shipping fee and then there is this.
Then there are the others capitalizing on the iPhones celebrity. There's one selling the link to site giving away an iPhone, the various email addresses on free services with iPhone in the name, and the "Get out of VerizonWireless Contracts" delivered digitally. Now, what exactly does he mean "digitally"?
Same types of things on Craigs list.
As a friend of mine said, this is the adult "Cabbage Patch Doll". Afterall, it is "just a phone". Wait until the bugs start appearing.

Bugs?" For that you'll have to wait for the ZunePhone. I'm impressed that in all of the reviews nobody is saying anything on it doesn't work. Apple came up with a ton of totally new design and features in a year or two - even having it work with an outside company and new to them technology - and they work. There are several fairly vital missing features and some aggravations - like the recessed headphone jack - but bugs are not among them.

I remembered that Excel was famous for doing nothing but crashing for the first 3 versions. They couldn't even demo it successfully.

BTW, I ran a thought exercise about the problem (my brain goes into puzzle solve mode on idle) with the stooppid jack and I bet I figured it out: the jack is NOT an iPod jack. The iPhone headset has a microphone. I bet they found if you plug a 2 conductor "iPod" headphone in the 3 conductor iPhone jack shorts out the mic in the iPhone or something. Thus the need for a $10 adapter. that would drive me nuts, though.
 
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