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  1. EdFred

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    On you tube person said that it took them about an hour for each minute. Wasn't an aviation channel though. And obviously some videos are just recorded and unedited.
     
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    I must be missing out. If I watch more than one YouTube video in a day I feel like I’m wasting my life.
     
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    With the exception of live feed videos, the successful ones are edited. Way too much dead time to keep anyone's interest.
     
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    The ones I generally watch have a lot of prep work that goes into them prior to even hitting the record button, and who knows how much editing.
     
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    YouTube videos are like potato chips, you think you are going to just have one, but you end up eating the whole bag. :)
     
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    Editing takes up so much time. I try to edit out dead air time to speed things up, it keeps ATC traffic calls going and I think more interesting to viewers. I’m not into much music on my videos, usually just the intro.

    I do not like ads, I won’t sign up for them on my channel and I don’t like them on the channels I follow.

    My goal of videos was to review my flights and share with family and friends. It also fun to document our flights in conjunction with our blog. Mary and I have both went back to look up places that we stayed and shops she liked.

    To each their own, as long as I’m having fun I’ll keep making them.
     
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    Well, I'm not a famous youtuber like Mr. Contact, but...
    For a 30 minute video of something where I am standing in front of a whiteboard and talking - days of thinking about it, gathering material, writing out notes ( I don't write a script - that saves time - but then I forget to say stuff). About an hour or two with the camera. Easily 3 or 6 hours editing. Sometimes going back and re-recording a section (I have to remember to wear the same shirt until I am done...). If you watch carefully, sometimes you may notice that during the middle 15 minutes I have a fresh hair cut that I didn't have at the beginning or end. :)

    Shop videos (like making new fuel tanks - currently in progress) - deciding where to put the camera, moving camera's trying to keep things in camera, etc. wastes a lot of time. Not twice as long, but it adds time to the project. I probably record 1 to 3 hours (or more) of raw video for 30 minutes of end result. Editing is a few hours. Cursing because I got out of frame, or cut off the top of my head, or forgot to press record - priceless. I have to watch the "finished" video several times to make sure it makes sense and I removed all the bad words. I finally get sick of watching the same stuff and say "good enough" and upload.

    Rendering the video can take hours, but I don't have to sit there and watch it work, so I don't count that time.
     
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    :D BTDT!

    I think I’m going to start leaving the outtakes in the videos, maybe at the end for a few laughs. I recently left a few in and received some emails from friends that they got a good laugh, at my expense. o_O
     
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    I must be the most inefficient editor. I spend hours and hours editing a 10 minute video.
    I need to watch some experts and come up with a system. Mine of course aren't linear which is probably the problem.

    I think if I were to film a flight and just cut out what isn't needed and add an intro, I could probably knock out a 10 minute video in 2 hours.
    Building scenes is a time suck. I tend to end up with 5 or 6 different premier projects for a video making each scene its own project,
    Then combining them in the end and trying to match the volume levels and add music.

    I wonder if there is a premier template like I used to have in cakewalk where you just open the template, drop the tracks and they take on prefab effects rather than tweaking them throughout.
    Most of my videos take me a week to make.


    It was eye opening to do the "In the hangar" episodes and watch Daniel film 30 in a day, edit them and schedule 15 of them for release over the next 15 weeks.
     
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    Yep, as you suggested, you tell a story so the development and production are going to take a long time. At Gold Seal, our standard expectation is 10 hours per minute of finished video. Daniel's stuff is nice, but he has a much easier environment. He knows how to interview people, so they just do the interview freestyle, catch it on multiple cameras, and a relatively quick edit to complete the job. Not much planning or storyboarding required.
     
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    There is a huge difference between making videos just to be an *******, and trying for a professional result.
     
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    I did my first attempt at an in-flight video with two cameras. Just had them run for the flight and pulled out about a 6 minute segment. Nothing special. I'm not particularly good at narration and it was mostly to experiment with multiple streams. But just syncing up the audio and video so I could cut the segment out was a 4-hour job.
     
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    In premier and power director, there is an audio sync feature.
    Just clap or yell "Clear!" while all cameras are running.
    It will sync everything up based on the similar audio.
     
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    Who ever yells "Clear!" ???
     
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    I used to yell clear.
    Now I just yell "Audio Sync!"
     
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    The clap is also used for syncing manually. It's based on the old film clapboards.

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    Of course when one camera is outside the airplane, that one isn't going to hear much of the clap :D
     
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    Try yelling “Fire!” It’s better at getting folks attention...
     
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    Cakewalk Sonar was a terrific piece of software. I've tried several different replacements and none come close IMO.
     
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    , I agree. I cannot believe they went out of business. I still have sonar producer 8 and it is one of the best digital audio workstations I've ever used
     
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    I was supposed to edit? Hmm, that explains some things, I figured everyone wanted to watch my 3 hour video of flying over the middle of California.
     
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    Oh yeah. Cakewalk was the premiere audio software since the early 80s. I used to use Sonar with great results but it didn't keep up with OS changes and I've moved on to Adobe Audition. I don't like it as much, but it does seem to give cleaner output.
     
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    I still have Sonar installed and still prefer it. It still works great but its only a matter of time before a Windows update breaks it. I'm using Cubase for all new projects because of that. It does the job ok but many of the functions are much clunkier and a few functions don't seem to exist at all.
     
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    With the fact that I don't do a thought out nice intro like some, I don't pre-plan anything for the video portion of the flight...just start the cameras and fly (except a little on the Q&A video and the STEC videos), and I usually just run 2 cameras (3 max)...I'd say it ranges from 6-10 hours on average. Some videos are more complex and take me more time. Keep in mind, I'm truly tech/computer stupid.

    I know this feeling well. I've become a master at editing out bad words so that it's almost completely seamless. I also know sometimes I could make a video much better but just get sick of it and throw it out there. Videos like yours are for sure much harder than what I'm doing. It is so much easier to fly the plane and talk/interact a bit. Standing up in front of the camera and presenting is waaayy harder than what I'm doing. I've tried several (i.e oil changes, battery changing, working on the baffles, etc) and end up just deleting them as I can't get it to work out the way I want. I'll keep trying :)
     
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    I would like to start posting my videos on YT, but everything you're taking about above is what is keeping me from doing it. Heck, I put a video in iMovie and it probably took me over an hour just to figure out how to pull a 4 minute section out of it to post on FB, much less have parallel clips and editing it, etc. When I was in my 30s I probably would have loved the process. But now at 63 it just seems like too much trouble. :D
     
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    Know what also works? Adblock addons in Chrome. I never get ad's and I watch Youtube as well.

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    Also can listen to Pandora free, no ads either. Save your money and get the addon.
     
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    Yep. That removes the ads from everything else. Sites that insist I disable my ad blocker get the "X."
     
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    I have 3 cameras but go sot sick of having 3 long tracks that I bought that remote control. When it works....repeat...when the GoPro smart remote works the audio has always been aligned on all 3. For me I don't care if I miss some ATC stuff when they are not running. But the advantage is that they have enough battery for a 2 or 3 hours flight. Since we are asided on editing I think my latest flow has been like this:

    1. Create a new sequence and add all the clips from the first gopro back to back. Do the same for the other 2 cameras for a total of 3 sequences.
    Time: +5 minutes (easy)

    2. Create a new sequence from each of the above and make all the video effects changes (bring up shadows, sharpen, contrast). Since they are different angles they need slightly different corrections.
    Time: +30 minutes (pretty easy, hint - presets help!)

    3. Go to the track that was connected to the intercom/ATC and duplicate the left channel onto the right so all the talk is one both channels. Set its gain to about 85%
    Time: +3 minutes (easy...once you know where it is, just uncheck 1 box and check another)

    4. Pick one of the other 2 sequences and adjust its audio to about 10% so you get just a bit of the engine noise (if wanted)
    Time: +3 minutes (very easy)

    5. Create a new multi-sequence sequence by selecting all 3 of the edited sequences.
    Time: +5 minutes (its confusing the first time or two on what to select and what it makes)

    6. Now its time to pick what camera view. You enable the multi-sequence viewing option and open that multi-sequence thing you just made. At this point you watch the video from beginning to end and select what camera angle you want as you watch it. It will create/update a new sequence as you go. You can leave this part-way through and come back later. As you watch it you will be hearing all the sound correctly. This is perhaps one of the most time consuming parts.
    Time: +90...120minutes (for 20 minutes of raw footage)

    7.) Okay, now its playing pretty nicely but you have edit out audio for swear words and just generally sounding like a dork or saying bad things about your instructor LOL! For this step you go back to the 3 sequences you made and lock each one's video track (so you can't wreck it). Then find the spot you want gone and literally cut that audio out (I think that is easier than lowering the levels). This part is more time consuming as it can take a while to find each part. But then again the early step of not recording the entire flight cut down quite significantly on how many need fixing.
    Time: +60 minutes

    8.) Now you can watch it thru and see if you cut some audio while the camera was looking at you...bad!!! So you need to tweak the multi-sequence view again (easy) to get to another camera angle.
    Time: +30minutes

    9.) At this point you can also start cutting down the entire thing. Remember, you could have cut the entire thing earlier but I think its better to have and see all the footage this way and then make fial edits for length.
    Time: +60 minutes (this takes time)

    10.) Adding any extra audio. Actually, going to one of the sites (I used Epidemic) takes a lot of time, like a ****load of time. I see Radar Contact uses the same track and over and over that saves all that time.
    Time: +30...60 minutes

    11. Adding very simple titles. If you don't get to carried away and know how to create titles and fades this step is pretty quick
    Time: +20minutes

    12. Rendering. The most important part is to know which preset to use. If you are uploading 4K it will take longer. Its nice to render at maximum quality and maximum bit depth. And maybe set the encoding just a few megabit higher than they specify. The real key here is to have a GPU. My crappy old 1st generation I7 used to render to slow. A couple years later I bought an new video card and it has a GPU. Now the rendering is very fast. My time to render about 6 minutes of video:
    Time: +15 minutes (about 2.5x that for 4k)

    ...so for a simple, linear 3 camera edit (closer to what @Radar Contact is doing) I use between 6...7 hours. Using the steps above its easy to break it into 2 or 3 sessions. That is around 1hr per minute. But that is not including different scenes, different cuts, clips in different order, graphics, etc like @SixPapaCharlie and @write-stuff are doing. I can easily see those hitting the 10hrs/minute rate or even higher.

    ps. Wives think it takes the same amount of time to edit a video as watch it :)
     
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    Indeed. I bought a GoPro with the thought of shooting video for my own enjoyment and to share with family members, and maybe post a few on YT. What I discovered was that just getting the stupid thing set up to shoot video seems to take more time than flying, and I enjoy it a lot less. Maybe some day when the weather is crap I'll work in fixing that part, but so far it's taken lowest priority -- meaning, ten notches below "never gets done".
     
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    I think I mostly have I figured out but need just one simple thing....a babe in each video :) I think there is a particular YT video of a gal (maybe mid to late 20's) doing her first solo. Makeup, cleavage and millions of views. It looked like it took 25 minutes to edit. That person's monetization/edit ratio is probably like $140K/25min. Everytime Steveo includes Mindy the views crank. If you really want to make money at this stuff, the same thing still sells. I always wonder if the number of women watching those videos goes up or not?
     
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    Exhibit 1 of why I said in my post it's just too much trouble. And that's when you already know how to do it!
     
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    Just find a pic of said babe and put it in your thumbnail of the video. You'll get the views and they won't know she's not in there until the end of the video. No need to have the real thing in the cockpit. :D
     
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    Maybe I want the real thing in the cockpit :) Bu then I would never be able to edit the video or my wife would...get jealous! Actually she got a tiny bit jealous when I took up her friend Victoria but my wife would rather fly than give rides so her loss!
     
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    Chris Palmer. See 6:11 in this video (I'll drop you in at 6:05).

    If you do it right, it's fun.

     
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    What is this "ads" thing you are all talking about? I haven't seen an ad on YT in over two years. If you watch a lot of YouTube, just subscribe, and lose the ads!

    https://www.youtube.com/premium
     
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    For 12 bucks a month I will watch a few commercials!
     
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    There's an earlier video, probably one or two before this with somebody also in the back seat, where he does that for the first time. They all crack up and Josh can't quit laughing for awhile. That's when the guy said he was always going to do it like that from there on out. lol.
     
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    And why do you think we like @Radar Contact videos?
     
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    I do YouTube videos, but I don't expect anyone to watch them.
    Mostly it's to tell my kids: "Look how I squandered your inheritance this week."
    My grand-kids think it's cool I still fly.
    Between the kids and my grand-kids that accounts for 11 out of my 16 subscribers.
    Not sure what's wrong with the remaining five.
     
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    Kids and grandkids you don't know about? :D :rofl:
     
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    Trust me, if you were making the money that some of those guys are, you’d edit the shiznit out of a video without thinking twice about it. Some of them are making some serious moolah.