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As part of an investigation, maybe very impractical, could investigators reach out to (unknown?) CFIs for endorsements they gave? Is that something CFIs log in their own logbooks?
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
As part of an investigation, maybe very impractical, could investigators reach out to (unknown?) CFIs for endorsements they gave? Is that something CFIs log in their own logbooks?
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Impractical. Unless they had a way of knowing how would they initiate the search?

Also, if they didn't have evidence of such endorsement, which CFI's will step forward and provide said evidence?
 
Jim_R said:
It wasn't necessarily the amount of dual instruction that DC172 was really commenting on...it was how much dual she accrued en route to her Private certificate, especially compared to her solo time. She had 183 hours of dual and 10 hours of solo when she got her ticket.
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Back in my brief instructing days, I had a fairly attractive female come up to me . She was looking for someone new for instruction. So as we talked, and reviewed her logbook, I noticed she had right at 100 hours TT and dual but no solo time.

We went for an evaluation flight, and after engine start and ready to taxi, I asked her to taxi to the runway. This is where she told me she had never taxied before. OK.

When ready to take off, I asked her how comfortable she was to take off. She told me she had never taken off before, or talked on the radio before.

After we were back on the ground, she told me all of her previous instructors, all males, had done every thing for her from pre-flight to landing. She did manipulate the controls during flight.

Not saying, or implying that is possibly what happened here, just me wondering.
 
Zeldman said:
Back in my brief instructing days, I had a fairly attractive female come up to me . She was looking for someone new for instruction. So as we talked, and reviewed her logbook, I noticed she had right at 100 hours TT and dual but no solo time.

We went for an evaluation flight, and after engine start and ready to taxi, I asked her to taxi to the runway. This is where she told me she had never taxied before. OK.

When ready to take off, I asked her how comfortable she was to take off. She told me she had never taken off before, or talked on the radio before.

After we were back on the ground, she told me all of her previous instructors, all males, had done every thing for her from pre-flight to landing. She did manipulate the controls during flight.

Not saying, or implying that is possibly what happened here, just me wondering.
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Based on the comments in her videos from middle-aged men, some of whom were pilots thirsting after her and white-knighting her after her demise, I'm going to go out on a very short and strong limb and guess that there's a high possibility that something similar occurred. I still see it today in the Coast Guard.
 
decalogue said:
I welcome people to speculate and make theories and let the best one win.
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Speculating and then electing your "truth" via democratic popularity contest is ripe with danger.

In something like this, I'd abide by: "It is better to follow the knowledge of one who understands than the opinion of the many who do not."

EDIT: I say this knowing I am definitely one of those who does not know how to diagnose safety incidents. None of us have any skin in the game in getting the diagnosis right, and there is no cost if we speculate and get it wrong.
We're all just BS'ing about circumstances we were not present for, armed with only our intuition. And i'd bet the majority of us didn't even read through the full NTSB report. More fun to just BS and guess. Easier. Burden of proof is 0. So choosing a 'winner' based off that is... unwise IMHO.
 
DeltaCharlie172 said:
Pretty sure the guy was Part 135 and current pilot for airliner. His content is purely case studies to make pilots safer hence the Pilot Debrief channel name. Never claimed he is an expert but his insights are thorough and honest.

Now back to the topic...
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Well short time pt135 gave him a little taste of GA, but he is def military background and it shows. I do enjoy his videos though.
 
Certainly one wonders at anyone (including the DPE) that signed her off. I watched several videos, not my thing (sort of had that fake drama aura of "reality tv" sometimes).
There are a couple of reasons one can rack up big hours of "dual"; I'm working on getting a medical, and it will take a while, so I want to fly and log some hours. For her, I don't know; that ratio is all wonky, and mine will never be close to that.
And in another realm, when I took SCUBA lessons in 1980, there was a very pretty girl that just didn't get it. In fact, she panicked twice, underwater.
And they passed her.
 
Kenny Phillips said:
There are a couple of reasons one can rack up big hours of "dual"; I'm working on getting a medical, and it will take a while, so I want to fly and log some hours. For her, I don't know; that ratio is all wonky, and mine will never be close to that.
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Indeed. I've got a higher-than-some dual ratio but that's because I've flown a bunch of very different airplanes, obtained various ratings and endorsements, etc. -- honestly the dual given ratio is really only a red flag if someone is low hours without much in the way of varied aeronautical experience. In a GA pilot, it might show the opposite, a desire to try new things and expand one's operating envelope without adding unneccessary risk by going it alone (i.e., all the legal but stupid stuff one sees in pilots somewhere between basic ratings and the turbine world)...
 
decalogue said:
Perhaps we should welcome people to speculate and make theories and let the best one win.
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Like some others, I have made crash speculations and been absolutely wrong. So, taking the best theory (guess) isn't going to be productive to the furtherance of GA safety.

Many of the us on the POA/AST (accident speculation team) have been stunned at how very highly trained and exceptionally skilled pilots have left the earth in ways that we find hard to fathom. Dale Snodgrass & Rob Holland come to mind but there are plenty of others:

Fearless Tower

Thread 'Dale Snodgrass crash in Idaho'

Snort Snodgrass was killed in what sounds like a freak takeoff accident yesterday.

https://lmtribune.com/northwest/pil...cle_3f47074c-cc7a-52f0-a284-dc5838f2048d.html

Heard from someone at the airport that there was a loss of control on takeoff and the plane cartwheeled. Sobering considering his experience.
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Thread 'Langley AFB. Possible crash a few minutes ago.'

Sounds like a crash while preparing for an airshow. Unknown what aircraft was involved.

This is a heads up.

These did not die in vain as they are reminders to all of us that diligence is required and even then, that may not be enough ...
 
I'm curious of how many instructors she had. Another question; how much does a CFI charge per hour? 180 hrs+ would add up in a hurry for starters.
 
FlightmechH3 said:
I'm curious of how many instructors she had. Another question; how much does a CFI charge per hour? 180 hrs+ would add up in a hurry for starters.
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I believe 2-3 or more for private, 2 for hp/complex/Beechcraft transition, and 2 for instrument rating. So 6-7 at least (no that's not a joke). This doesn't count stage check instructors.
 
In the end she paid with her life. RIP.
 
“Aviation, in itself, is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect. Quote by Captain Alfred Lamplaugh
 
Hengelo said:
In the end she paid with her life. RIP.
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RIP James! I feel bad for the family and their lose but this was something no one should be surprised about considering the number of no-fly drugs in her system.
 
FlightmechH3 said:
I'm curious of how many instructors she had. Another question; how much does a CFI charge per hour? 180 hrs+ would add up in a hurry for starters.
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I do wonder who was funding her aerial endeavors.
 
I'm sure Patreon, YouTube revenue, and all those other "influencer-things" helped bring in some money, but I can't imagine it paid for more than a fraction of her costs.

She had to have money coming in from somewhere else. Family, or something.
 
It appears she had a couple businesses. "Plantation Reclaimed Inc" and "Luxe homes and design".
 
fasteddie said:
I'm sure Patreon, YouTube revenue, and all those other "influencer-things" helped bring in some money, but I can't imagine it paid for more than a fraction of her costs.

She had to have money coming in from somewhere else. Family, or something.
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Remodeling and home design business.
 

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Zeldman said:
Back in my brief instructing days, I had a fairly attractive female come up to me . She was looking for someone new for instruction. So as we talked, and reviewed her logbook, I noticed she had right at 100 hours TT and dual but no solo time.

We went for an evaluation flight, and after engine start and ready to taxi, I asked her to taxi to the runway. This is where she told me she had never taxied before. OK.

When ready to take off, I asked her how comfortable she was to take off. She told me she had never taken off before, or talked on the radio before.

After we were back on the ground, she told me all of her previous instructors, all males, had done every thing for her from pre-flight to landing. She did manipulate the controls during flight.

Not saying, or implying that is possibly what happened here, just me wondering.
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Good point and example. TNgirl here was probably the same type. Seeing the CFI's working the radios and doing other things she should have been doing on her own videos proves this.

I saw the remains of the Cherokee from her taxi crash. Then she goes out to buy a HP aircraft. She wasn't even safe driving a car (her car gopro video showed her running stop signs and speeding).
 
TrueCourse said:
Guess I missed this. Taxi “crash” or a simple off-roading? Of course, neither is good.
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If I remember rightly, the photo I saw showed the nose wheel broken off. I think there was other damage, but that's what sticks in my mind.
 
Searching for the N number of her Cherokee, I couldn’t find it it the NTSB accident database, and it seems to have been repaired and back in the air.
 
FastEddieB said:
Searching for the N number of her Cherokee, I couldn’t find it it the NTSB accident database, and it seems to have been repaired and back in the air.
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I don’t believe that this incident is required to be reported to the NTSB
Substantial damage …ground damage to rotor or propeller blades, and damage to landing gear, wheels, tires, flaps, engine accessories, brakes, or wingtips are not considered “substantial damage” for the purpose of this part.
 
What do the endorsements have to do with anything? The landing gear, the HP of the engine or the blue knob did not have a single thing to do with any of this. It would be like plowing your truck into a tree at 100 mph and people discussing whether or not you always made sure that your unused spare tire was properly inflated.

I also don't see how the cfi or dpe is even remotely responsible. The standards are all spelled out. At that point in time on that specific day you have to demonstrate your abilities in that given aircraft to pass a checkride. The dpe is just certifying that you met the standards right then and there, it is not his job to certify how you will operate at all points in the future.
 
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