G5 AI lists for $2950 and HSI with GPS interface for $3950. $2950+$3950=$6900.
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Keeping the GNC 355 to add to a new GTN 650xi. But will eventually be selling the PAR 200B. March begins the panel work, so May might be done? A bit of time in the future.
Five years ago I would've told you to ditch the VOR receiver. Now, with GPS jamming and spoofing becoming more credible threats, I'd recommend keeping the capability.
Honest question, how often is GPS jamming unanounced vs announced? Announced I can just not travel that day (I travel for pleasure only), unannounced would leave me hangin'. I do fly with an IPAD air that also get GLONASS signals if there was unforecasted GPS jamming that I could use in an emergency (in the soup when GPS gets jammed).
Hmm, good thinking. I can rule out the idea of a handheld. I feel like $300-400 for a handheld vs replacing the 760D for $500 seems like having the 760d is worth it.
Even VFR navigation can benefit from a working VOR receiver. Great way to restore situational awareness if there's a short between the headphones.
The problem is you can't prove a negative. The DoD thinks there's a perceived threat somewhere in your area and turns off the civilian portion of the GPS signal. They might also actively jam Glonass/Galileo at that point.
Not sure it makes sense to pay to put something in when you’ll then be taking it out. The Garmin Nav/ Com radio is going to be part of whatever you have for IFR training.
I am leaning that way if I can just do that and then take my time to plan the panel out for a year or two from now.
Was it the comm 2 causing the issue?
Yes, the Terra 760D radio (seperate nav works fine). I pulled the breaker and all the issues are gone. I bought a yellow tagged identical replacement and we'll slide that in and see if the problem is gone (that will confirm if it's the radio unit (hoping) or wiring to it.
OK, sharing some updates on this journey. Swapped in a new radio and same symptoms. To refresh everyone
That rules out any Garmin, as the GTN 650xi, GNC 355, and GPS 175 all have similar menus.
Option 2 has three COM radios and two NAV radios where the others are 2 and 1? I take it that "GTR225" really means GNC215?
You're right, I wouldn't spend much time trying to troubleshoot old radios. But I think I would the antenna and wiring, because that's going to be critical to whatever you have going forward. If the coax/connectors or antenna are bad, they're going to need to be done no matter what, and if you get them either tested good or replaced then you might find you don't have a problem with the com2 radio at all. Just my 2 cents.
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But I did want to consolidate the engine monitor into it as well (just to remove another old instrument), so I thought I might need two panels and the price to add the second panel is really small from what I can tell (in both Dynon and Garmin ecosystems). It seemed like a lot of the costs were all the wiring and stuff and adding a second screen was fairly minimal extra costs, but I've not verified.| K10-00280-41 | Kit, G5 Dual Bundle | $5,395 (MAP) |
I just looked up what a GNC 300XL is. I'll double my suggestion for your consideration to download the GTNxi simulator app and take a spin.
Thanks, yes, they all require either a G5 (Garmin) or the D30 (Dynon). To further understand your point, you would eliminate the second screen entirely? Would you get the engine instrument stuff on the PFD then displayed all the time, or paginate from the moving map to that?
Thanks WDD.
I really do need to make my long-threatened video discussing my thoughts on panel design and avionics selection.
You can - It can be on the side of the PFD.
Cheesehead, I appreciate this.Now wait a minute. This is the plane you bought after asking us for "a cheap way to build retract time" wasn't it?
Let me throw a couple of suggestions out there. If you still want that Twin Bonanza sometime in the next decade, you probably don't want to be dropping big money on a panel right now. OTOH, if you've decided the Bo is gonna stay, then you probably wan't something nice.
First off: I wouldn't bother with an IFD navigator. Their main advantage is that they're slide-in replacements for the Garmin GNS series. You won't be able to get that advantage, so IMO you're better off sticking with Garmin. You mention not liking the flow in "the GNX and G1000" - I'm going to assume you meant GNS and G1000, as they're pretty much identical in how they work. Good news: You can't get a G1000 in your plane, and nobody in their right mind would be recommending GNS series navigators now, they were discontinued 14 years ago! The Garmin GTN and all of their modern stuff works in a completely different way - Just a main menu with icons instead of the GNS/G1000 groups and pages.
For the "go all out" version, I'd do this:
* G3X Touch 10" with EIS - Putting in a 7" on the other side would be optional, more on that in a moment.
* GTN: You could get a 750Xi and use it kind of like an MFD, or you could get a 650Xi and the 7" MFD. Or a 750Xi and the 7" MFD if you really like lots of big color screens and hate money like I do.
* GFC 500 autopilot with pitch trim and yaw damper. Your pax will thank you for the yaw damper - Beeches are happy airplanes, they love to wag their tails!
* GTX345 transponder. If you really want a backup GPS, you could do the GNX375, or you could get a GNC355 as your second Com radio.
* GTR205 #2 com radio
* GMA350c audio panel if you want to talk to the plane, or PS Engineering PMA450B otherwise.
Now, to accomplish all of your goals while also at least attempting to not have the panel be worth more than the rest of the plane and maintaining the classic look:
* GI 275 AI: This gives you primary instrument capability for your entire six-pack. I'd still keep 4/6 but if you have one of them go bad this will keep you from being grounded.
* GI 275 HSI: Gets rid of the wonky DG and gives you a lot of capability, also functions as the backup for the AI. With two of them like this, you can ditch the vacuum system and get some useful load back.
* GNX 375: This would replace the 300XL *and* get you reliable ADS-B
* GNC 215 Nav/Com 1
* PS Engineering PAR 200B audio panel/Com2
* EI CGR-30P engine monitor - This will allow you to use the existing wiring and probes that you have for EGT/CHT most likely. I didn't see mention of what model your current one is or a picture, just that it's an EI, so check on this to be sure.
* Keep the S-TEC
You can - It can be on the side of the PFD.
Don’t forget - with a single G3Xi you have to add a G5 or a G275 for back up.
You pretty much just described my avionics, except that I have a GI 275 EIS. Older audio panel which I'm considering upgrading and eventually a GFC 500 is on the wishlist. I left in the other steam gauges mostly because I still prefer needles for seeing trends. It's an absolutely fantastic panel that works really well for pretty much every kind of flying. I have been fairly brand-agnostic most of my flying career, but the integration between everything Garmin is really great!
Brother, I laughed when I read this, because I walked this same road when I was pricing out my upgrade. My Excel sheets looked like a madman's work of art by the end of it. It's amazing how "just a few more thousand" and then you realize that you need another item (the GI 275 panel vs G3X + backup was a classic one), especially when you start thinking about interoperability, back-ups, and start wondering why Garmin doesn't have a single unit that combines nav, comms, transponder, and ADSB-in/out and WHY NOT????
As some others have said - Don't forget the backup. Add a G5. Sorry I neglected to add that to the list.
Man, it drives me NUTS doing this sometimes because I feel like almost everyone should have two comms, one nav (or more), one GPS (or more), one transponder... And Garmin makes a bunch of different units that have two of those functions but they're inconsistent. So, do you do a GNX375 (txp+gps), GNC215 (nav+com), GTR205 (com)? Or do you do GNC355 (gps+com), GTX345 (txp), GNC215 (nav+com)? What about a GTN650 (nav+com+gps), GTX345 (txp), GTR205 (com)? So many possibilities... But it would be GREAT if you could get one box that just did it all. I suppose the closest they have to that is a GTN750Xi with remote transponder, then all you need is the second Com.
The GTR205/GTR205x also has 4-place audio panel/intercom capability. Something to think about.
