Thinking about moving to the midwest late this year

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  1. Bill Jennings

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    Damn, Scranton's made a big comeback since the last time I drove through!
     
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    (Not to take over the thread) Has anybody thought about living out of the country? If so where?
     
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    Done it. Wouldn’t do it again. Ever.

    Vacation? Sure. Residency...nope. To many rules to follow being an immigrant in someone else’s country.
     
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    Isn't that like that everyplace? Where did you live?
     
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    Venice, Italy for 3 years; Kuwait City, 2 years.

    ETA: I take it back, I would live abroad again so long as I was there on a diplomatic passport.
     
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    Acuity Insurance in Sheboygan, WI is always hiring. About as opposite a lifestyle you can get from NYC. Trying to get my wife to apply there. Growing company, flexible schedules, on site day care, fitness classes, etc.
     
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    I left almost 30 years ago- would never move back to Nanny York.
     
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    A lot of places are great if you are rich and/or have "special status."
     
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    Oil money.
     
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    I lived in NY for a number of years, about 90mi north of the city. Beautiful place, but taxes in NY eat you alive. My favorite was an MTA tax that was on the long distance portion of my phone bill. We had the privilege of paying that tax because we were served by the metro north commuter railroad. Even though I rarely used the train (I worked in the local area), the more I talked long distance, the more tax I had to pay to support the train. Loved it.....not. Moved south a long time ago, not ever going back north.
     
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    Funny how that's not bilateral.
     
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    Funny, my wife and I seem drawn to TN. Neither one of us has ever been there, but for our next anniversary we're going to do a TN flying tour of Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga, and Knoxville. We're both native New Yorkers, relo'd to Philly area 20 years ago, like it so far, but retirement (for me) looms. Low, low COL will be desirable so I can afford to keep flying. :)
     
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    It's nice here, but different. If you like mountains, I'd suggest looking at Chattanooga or Knoxville, both are near the Smoky Mts. Property values have increased a good bit since I moved here, but it's still far better than NY. Nice thing here is no income tax except for a 6% tax on interest and dividends. That said, there is a 7% sales tax, and that is on pretty much everything you buy. Then the local governments add to it, I pay 9.25% sales tax. I think I much prefer a sales tax to an income tax.

    when you do your fly tour of TN, drop me a PM.
     
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    Tax on passive income not really retiree-friendly.

    Will def PM when on the tour, planning early June.
     
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    Only on non-qualified investments are taxed. 401, Roth, etc. not taxed.
     
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    My brother just decided TN was a good place a few years ago after some research sold his house and essentially moved there sight unseen. They may have made one trip to secure housing. He is in Knoxville now and loves it.
     
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    Poughkeepsie?
     
  18. Bill Jennings

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    Yeah. Nice area, supposedly even nicer now.
     
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    How does TN tax real estate, cars and aircraft ?
     
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    Yeah, I always liked it up there too. I lived in Orange Co for a bit prior to moving into the city. But now I live in KS, lol
     
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    I liked riding up over Storm King and stopping to enjoy the view.
     
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    Thanks for the post. But spending 2-3 hours on the road (especially in bumper to bumper traffic) is opposite of my idea of quality of life. I can move to Long Island, get a house for half of NYC prices, but I'd be doing 1-5 hrs in traffic each way. Not for me, I like to spend the majority of those 2-3 hours with my family.
     
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    Funny, I went to Syracuse for my undergrad (could explain my orange handle, or maybe I like oranges very much, or some kind of Trump connection, who knows). Lived on campus 3 years. Worked in the Carrier Dome all 4 years, basically ran the merchandise dept as a Senior. Great school, but the city is dead. At 5pm, the whole city turns the lights off and shuts the doors. Good night.

    BTW- Did they change the dome roof or something, it looked different when I went there. :confused:o_O
     
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    Lol, having grown up in a city where it takes only 30 minutes to go from the edges of the 'burbs to the middle of downtown, there's no way I'd accept driving an hour or more each way to work. I don't care if it's me driving or riding a bus/train, it's just the principle of it.
     
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    Since moving downtown my commute is 3.5mi. LOVE IT, bicycle much of the time.
     
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    Yeah, I walk to work every day. Serious quality of life, there.
     
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    I believe there’s a law in California (or DC or New England or.....) that if you change jobs and your commute is shorter, you have to move your residence to maintain a minimum 2 hour commute.

    Cheers
     
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    And it is a great area!

    And it is in the real southeast.
     
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    My suggestion was aligned with what I like as far as topography and ability to have 4 real seasons, as well as a multitude of mid-to-large cities in the section. I was only able to tour Ashville and Greenville for a day or so on a trip 2 years ago and thought it was a great area.
     
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    I have SU undergrad degree as well.

    Agree the city is dead, has been since GE/LockMart and other mfg left 25 years ago.
    "Downtown" def a ghost town after work (except on weekends.) But, a "traffic jam" is an extra traffic light cycle. Weather pretty much horrible year-round and taxes are ridiculous.
     
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    I know it's not midwest (I didn't read pages 2-4, sorry) but I echo this about the Greenville, SC area. I live about 30 minutes from Greenville but go all the time. You have so much available and close by. Beach is a 4 hour drive, 2 hours to either Charlotte or Atlanta. There are many lakes close by and I am on them for about 8 months out of the year. Minor league baseball games, Clemson sporting events, tons of downtown life. Our winters are very mild, we get snow maybe twice a winter. I recently started flying and I have met a lot of pilots out and about and there are a ton of small airports around to visit. People are super friendly almost everywhere you go and traffic isn't terrible in the Greenville area. Property has been a very lucrative investment in the Greenville area as more companies continue to bring their businesses down here.
     
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    Just remembered this one:

     
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    It’s by far my favorite area of all the ones I’ve lived in.
     
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    That's the kind of thing that New York does. As a 20 year veteran of NYC, the attitude is "You owe us because we're the city." To New Yorkers, "New York" = NYC, and the rest of the state = tax revenue. It's a truly unique entitlement mentality.

    The one thing I will say about NYC (the city itself, not the state) is that it's really not a bad place to be old. I think my mother would be in a retirement home by now if she lived in a place where she needed a car - she just couldn't function. But she's able to walk to the grocery store, get a cab to the airport, really live an independent life. I think I'd rather live on a boat in Florida, but hey to each his own.
     
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    Just Read "Here is New York" by E.B. White (of Charlotte's Web and New Yorker fame). He basically agreed with you, but found beauty in the city anyway. Charming book and it made me want to read more of his writings.
     
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    A doorman building in Manhattan is pretty much assisted living. You can order anything you need for home delivery (groceries, drycleaning...) and you dont need a car to get around.
     
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    Exactly. Throw in a maid and you're set. The grocery store down the block will do pre-made food or you can get anything you want delivered.
     
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    I would definitely suggest Colorado. Great weather, awesome flying, and everything is brand new (with exceptions, of course... but there’s so much new growth there.)

    We would still be there if not for the pull of family. My parents won’t be around forever, but CO will be around longer than all of us if we must move back. There’s SOOOOO much good/great stuff about CO. I miss it daily in a lot of ways. Well, not the traffic, but if you live/work outside of the Denver metro area = fine. Fly out of KAPA for some amazing Class Delta operations. Do it.

    Edited to add: I was born and raised in the middle of the Adirondacks, and it’s great to be home. I don’t plan on ever leaving. It’s quiet and we have peace & solitude. Taxes are everywhere; people are not. This is one of those places. All I need is a C150 or similar that burns pump gas (gas station in town sells ethanol-free 91 octane) and we’re set. Hope to start looking at airplanes in the Spring. We live on the side of a 3,000’ grass airstrip. <thumbs up!>
     
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