they towed a plane into our plane on the ramp.

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  1. SixPapaCharlie

    SixPapaCharlie May the force be with you

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    Does this seem like them? (scroll down)
    Or is there a more factory factory inspection inspection?
    http://clearstarair.com/about_clearstar_aviation/
     
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    The original "I don't know it all" of aviation.
    Hmmmm... I'm wondering if you might get some IFR training time out of their "it's on us" offer.
     
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    I can't. I am English Proficient :rofl:
     
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    Sounds like they are bending over backwards to try and make it right. Why try to take advantage of the guys? Would you do that?
     
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    :confused::confused::confused: Taking advantage of others is what people do.
     
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    I don't.
     
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    Sure you do, everybody does, you can't avoid it without ending up a homeless bum. We just accept certain levels of it as being 'ok', same as usury, so we can convince ourselves we're not doing anything wrong.
     
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    I wouldn't go out of my way and milk someone for free IFR training when they are doing their best to help me :)
    I wouldn't even feel right asking or even thinking about it. I guess some wouldn't think twice about begging for free stuff. I work for what I have.
     
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    Be thankful there doesn't appear to be any composite damage. Our rental Cirrus has entered its THIRD year in the repair shop after a guy ran it off the end of the runway and through a fence.
     
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    The entire problem with composites is that he doesn't actually know if there is any damage or not. Impacts like this can set up micro fracturing which will grow and spread leading to de-lamination and failure. Composites are really tricky to inspect and it requires ultrasonics to do a decent job of, and even then it's not a perfect job.
     
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    Just make sure they fill out the check with your correct name. That might take a few tries...
     
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    Who are you taking advantage of
     
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    Concern about hidden damage is why I suggest a factory inspection. You want the guy inspecting to think about the forces that caused the damage and what those forces may have done to the structure.

    I got to see some of the repair process of a Glassair after a hard landing. They stripped the airframe and then brought in a composite materials design engineer to write-up the repair procedure.

    There's a good chance that I'm overly cautious about Bryan's situation. I'd prolly get it in a shop and disassembled to the point of understanding why the elevator control is jammed and then decide if it's time to get really picky. Composites are tough when loads are as designed. Go outside the design and they can come from together just like any other material would.
     
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    Six years ago a line guy at the FBO across for me was towing a brand new Cirrus and ran it into something so bad it was totaled. The owner of the Cirrus got a new one from the insurance company.
     
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    No kidding.... so many of those kids continue to be difficult to understand well after they have been issued their PPL.
     
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    I'm shocked the BRS didn't prevent the incident! :)
     
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    Had he pulled the chute, this would for sure be listed as a BRS "save" on the Cirrus club website :)
     
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    If everyone is taking, who is giving?
     
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    So far So good.


    Good afternoon gentlemen,

    After speaking with Clear Star Aviation, we were able to develop at timeline for the repair of your aircraft.

    Today, we spoke with Cirrus directly, and are procuring a factory new horizontal stabilizer.

    Originally, Cirrus was projecting a three to five week lead time, however the great staff over at Clear Star were able to cut that lead time down to two weeks. The current production run is yielding an additional stabilizer, and through some negotiation with Cirrus that stabilizer will now be assigned to your aircraft.

    Kevin will be personally overseeing an inspection of your aircraft this coming Sunday (11/22/15). As transparency is one of the core tenets of our business model, we invite you to join Kevin and I in the inspection (Your supervision of the inspection is entirely optional, I simply wanted to present the opportunity at your discretion). A specific time has not yet been decided upon, however I will let you know the specifics as the date grows closer.

    Again, I am going to keep you updated every step of the way. If you should have any questions, comments, or concerns, please feel free to contact me. Kevin, myself, and the management staff at here at US Aviation are continually working to expedite the repair of your aircraft and get you flying as soon as possible.

    Again, Its truly a pleasure having you both with us at US Aviation.
     
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    Sure sounds like they are taking ownership and ensuring things are made right. Wish more companies operated this way.
     
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    They make it sound so nice you should be proud they broke your airplane.

    It is good to hear they are doing the best they can to make it right.
     
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    After years of enjoyment Cirrus sends you a notice they want their rental stabilizer back...
     
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    I've dropped my Bo off at US Av this morning. I need major damage done on the V tail, and hoping they can back into it sometime later this week.

    <insert emoticon of your choice here>
     
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    Oh God I think it really is glue. :hairraise:
     
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    Maybe they can hit it so hard it'll turn into a straight tail!
     
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    Or hit it with more force and we can list Doc among the Mooniacs.
     
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    ROFL!!
     
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    If their actions match their claims you should be made whole. So far the FBO sounds really good.

    Best of luck.