Songwriter Brett James Cirrus SR22T Crash

Definitely would not want to spin a Cirrus at or below pattern alt ... which is where they happen. And since minimum CAPS altitude in a spin is 920 feet, that does provide a window where you are screwed.
I wouldn't want to inadvertently spin any general production airplane (I don't know enough about aerobatic craft) at or below pattern altitude. Getting into the spin to begin with means ignoring the signs of a pending stall and uncoordinated flight. That doesn't strike me as a recipe for a prompt recovery.

A big part of the ELOS discussion at both the FAA and EASA levels was about the practical inability to recover at or below pattern altitude.
 
IOW, conventional in all respects.
For more context, keep in mind, the Columbia 300 and Toyota TAA-1 pursued the same new spin-resistance cert option with their own version of the NASA cuffed wing tech as the SR20 which required different ELOS's vs a BRS. Ironically, most other international NAAs accepted the FAA spin ELOS for the SR20 except the JAA.
 
Since we are talking about Cirrus isn’t this Cirrus statement a little bit disingenuous?
250 lives saved? Would they have all died without a aircraft parachute?

“At the heart of Cirrus commitment to safety is the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System® (CAPS®). This revolutionary safety feature is designed to protect the pilot and passengers in the event of an emergency by deploying a parachute that brings the entire aircraft safely to the ground. CAPS® has saved over 250 lives and continues to be a cornerstone of Cirrus safety philosophy”
 
Since we are talking about Cirrus isn’t this Cirrus statement a little bit disingenuous?
250 lives saved? Would they have all died without a aircraft parachute?
My personal guess? 100 dead, another 70 with serious/ potentially life-changing injuries.
 
My personal guess? 100 dead, another 70 with serious/ potentially life-changing injuries.
Certainly possible. It’s a good system.
Don’t know if it’s 25K every 10 years good but like a lifeboat on the Titanic it could be priceless.
 
I did some training at that airport. Nice spot, fun to get comfortable around some hills and a pattern that had to account for it. I know a CFI there if anyone needs some training that is not flat land. Has lots of Mooney and RV time there.

FUll power go around, torque roll and P factor??? Not my thought, just sharing from another.
 
I did some training at that airport. Nice spot, fun to get comfortable around some hills and a pattern that had to account for it. I know a CFI there if anyone needs some training that is not flat land. Has lots of Mooney and RV time there.

FUll power go around, torque roll and P factor??? Not my thought, just sharing from another.
Early flap retraction on an undertrained go around procedure has been mentioned too and seems plausible.
 
The Cirrus type club did a preliminary review. Not much more hard information that we've already seen, but they mentioned something I wondered about. It's not mentioned in the AFD, but the "preferred" runway at Macon County is 25. It's not huge, but there is a.0 5% grade, about a 25' difference between threshold heights. A landing on 25 is uphill. It's something many of us don't even consider checking. That can't really account for the excess speed on final, but it can lead to an unexpected go-around with a marginally different sight picture.

 
Preliminary is out. Attempted to do a 360 over the airport to land and appears it’s a stall spin in the 360

On September 18, 2025, at 1456 eastern daylight time, a Cirrus SR22T, N218VB, was substantially damaged when it was involved in an accident near Franklin, North Carolina. The private pilot and two passengers were fatally injured.

Preliminary air traffic control information provided by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) indicated that the pilot was on an instrument flight rules flight from John C. Tune Airport (JWN), Nashville, Tennessee to Macon County Airport (1A5) Franklin, North Carolina. As the pilot approached 1A5, he requested a visual approach to runway 07 from air traffic control. The controller approved the request, and at 1448 the pilot reported the airport in sight. The controller then approved a frequency change to the common traffic advisory frequency. Shortly after, the pilot transmitted (while still tuned to the controller’s radio frequency) that he was at 6,800 ft and intended to perform a 360° turn to land on runway 07. The controller then advised the pilot that he was still on the frequency; there were no further transmissions received from the pilot.

Review of preliminary ADS-B data showed that shortly after, the airplane began a descending left turn from an altitude of about 6,300 ft mean sea level. It continued through a 360° left turn before it began to approach runway 7 at an altitude of about 3,300 ft (the airport elevation of 1A5 was 2,033 ft). The ADS-B data ended when the airplane was about 0.5 nautical miles from the runway threshold.

Surveillance video showed the airplane flying over the runway before initiating a descending left turn. The airplane continued descending in the left turn before entering a tightening spiral and impacting the ground.

Multiple witnesses near the accident site reported observing the airplane flying at a low altitude near the airport and over a nearby school playground. The airplane was described as rocking side-to-side, with its wingtips moving up and down, before rolling inverted and descending behind a tree line.

The airplane impacted a field about 0.25 miles east of 1A5. The airplane came to rest upright and all major components of the airframe were located at the accident site. All major flight control surfaces were observed and flight control continuity was traced throughout the flight control system.

The engine sustained impact damage but remained attached to all four engine mounts. The propeller flange, hub, and one blade remained attached to the engine. During the on-scene examination, the engine was lifted and its crankshaft was rotated, which confirmed crankshaft and camshaft continuity. Borescope examination of all cylinders revealed normal combustion and operating signatures on the piston faces, cylinder walls, and valve heads.

The airplane was recovered and retained for further examination.
 
My guess (complete guess) is the terrain and a higher speed needed in the cirrus caused him to tighten his turn given the radius on the standard turn wouldn’t have worked with terrain probably. Sad
 
My guess (complete guess) is the terrain and a higher speed needed in the cirrus caused him to tighten his turn given the radius on the standard turn wouldn’t have worked with terrain probably. Sad
"High speed?" It seems a bit much to blame the plane for this one. Either you know how to fly it or you don't.
 
"High speed?" It seems a bit much to blame the plane for this one. Either you know how to fly it or you don't.

Fair, wasn’t trying to blame the plane more trying to understand why the turn was getting tighter when weather was clear/spatial disorientation wasn’t the cause

Unfortunate…these are completely preventable accidents.
 
The spiral 360 descent and pattern look fine. Looks like he tried to fly a short, steep final due to terrain, but lost speed control at the end executed a go-around and lost control. Probably a reasonably competent pilot who just got out of his personal envelope in a plane that is less forgiving in those situations.

Practicing only stabilized approaches is fine until you need to do something else.
 
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The spiral 360 descent and pattern look fine. Looks like he tried to fly a short, steep final due to terrain, but lost speed control at the end.

And/or added too much rudder to tighten the turn and skidded stalling one wing first.

A lot going on in this approach, but gotta keep at least one eye on airpseed and another on the ball.
 
And/or added too much rudder to tighten the turn and skidded stalling one wing first.

A lot going on in this approach, but gotta keep at least one eye on airpseed and another on the ball.

It did not happen during the base to final turn. He lined up on the runway and descended to the runway, but appears to have executed a go around and lost control.

It will be interesting to see what the final report says about flap position. From the steepness of the approach, I assume he had full flaps. For those who know Cirri, how do they handle in a go around? Would retracting flaps too late or too soon contribute to a stall?
 
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Good points, another thing to consider on go arounds is fighting elevator control force. In my plane I’m nearly full nose up trim short final. Throttle up and it takes considerable force to keep the nose down and airspeed up.
 
For those who know Cirri, how do they handle in a go around? Would retracting flaps too late or too soon contribute to a stall?
Go-around is normal. Basic smooth power increase- flap reduction to 50% - remaining flaps once stabilized in the climb.

The two potential issues are common. One is applicable to all airplanes - we simply don't practice go-arounds enough so we are unprepared for them especially when close to the ground. The other is especially applicable to airplanes with more power - a combination of a lot of torque and the potential for an elevator trim stall. Whether either was at work here is at this point unknown.
 
Well, prolly flaps too soon worse. Some airplanes basically can’t go around full flaps… think 40 degree old Cessna.

NO AIRPLANE like them coming up too early. What we have left is going from full to half… THAT is problematic. And a certain possibility (is that a thing?) of contributing.

Go arounds are hard because they’re not practiced enough. That’s all. One place I flew had a 14 step procedure… geesh. Ultimately, it’s like ANY maneuver, just fly. Mind a few parameters. It’s GONNA be a startle response event until you do it enough to just fly it through.
 
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