Solo Time

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How does tracking solo flight time in your logbook remain relevant once your have your PPL?

I know it's asked for via on the 8710, but beyond that....?
 
The Commercial certificate requires solo time. Not sure about ATP. Other than that, no reason.
 
10 hours which includes your long cross country and 5 hours of night with 10 landings and takeoffs.
 
How much time for the CP?

Your answer is here:

§61.129 Aeronautical experience.

(a) For an airplane single-engine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and single-engine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(1) of this part that includes at least—
(i) Ten hours of instrument training using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. Five hours of the 10 hours required on instrument training must be in a single engine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and a controllable pitch propeller, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a single-engine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One 2-hour cross country flight in a single engine airplane in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) Three hours in a single-engine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a single engine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a single engine airplane with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (a)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed under §61.127(b)(1) that include—
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance, with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
(b) For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) Ten hours of instrument training using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. Five hours of the 10 hours required on instrument training must be in a multiengine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a multiengine airplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One 2-hour cross country flight in a multiengine airplane in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) Three hours in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
(4) 10 hours of solo flight time in a multiengine airplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a multiengine airplane with an authorized instructor (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement in paragraph (b)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii, the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight with a traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
(c) For a helicopter rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category and helicopter class rating must log at least 150 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in helicopters.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 35 hours in helicopters; and
(ii) 10 hours in cross-country flight in helicopters.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(3) of this part that includes at least—
(i) Five hours on the control and maneuvering of a helicopter solely by reference to instruments using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. This aeronautical experience may be performed in an aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or an aviation training device;
(ii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a helicopter in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a helicopter in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(iv) Three hours in a helicopter with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a helicopter or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a helicopter with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (c)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed under §61.127(b)(3) that includes—
(i) One cross-country flight with landings at a minimum of three points, with one segment consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern).
(d) For a gyroplane rating. A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category and gyroplane class rating must log at least 150 hours of flight time as a pilot (of which 5 hours may have been accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a gyroplane) that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 25 hours must be in gyroplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 10 hours in gyroplanes; and
(ii) 3 hours in cross-country flight in gyroplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(4) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 2.5 hours on the control and maneuvering of a gyroplane solely by reference to instruments using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. This aeronautical experience may be performed in an aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or an aviation training device;
(ii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a gyroplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iii) Two hours of flight training during nighttime conditions in a gyroplane at an airport, that includes 10 takeoffs and 10 landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern); and
(iv) Three hours in a gyroplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a gyroplane or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a gyroplane with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (d)(2) of this section), on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(4) that includes—
(i) One cross-country flight with landings at a minimum of three points, with one segment consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern).
(e) For a powered-lift rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a powered-lift category rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in a powered-lift.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 50 hours in a powered-lift; and
(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which 10 hours must be in a powered-lift.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(5) of this part that includes at least—
(i) Ten hours of instrument training using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. Five hours of the 10 hours required on instrument training must be in a powered-lift;
(ii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a powered-lift in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a powered-lift in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(iv) 3 hours in a powered-lift with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
(4) Ten hours of solo flight time in a powered-lift or 10 hours of flight time performing the duties of pilot in command in a powered-lift with an authorized instructor on board (either of which may be credited towards the flight time requirement under paragraph (e)(2) of this section, on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(5) that includes—
(i) One cross-country flight of not less than 300 nautical miles total distance with landings at a minimum of three points, one of which is a straight-line distance of at least 250 nautical miles from the original departure point. However, if this requirement is being met in Hawaii the longest segment need only have a straight-line distance of at least 150 nautical miles; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern) at an airport with an operating control tower.
(f) For a glider rating. A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a glider category rating must log at least—
(1) 25 hours of flight time as a pilot in a glider and that flight time must include at least 100 flights in a glider as pilot in command, including at least—
(i) Three hours of flight training in a glider with an authorized instructor or 10 training flights in a glider with an authorized instructor on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(6) of this part, including at least 3 training flights in a glider with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test; and
(ii) 2 hours of solo flight that include not less than 10 solo flights in a glider on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(6) of this part; or
(2) 200 hours of flight time as a pilot in heavier-than-air aircraft and at least 20 flights in a glider as pilot in command, including at least—
(i) Three hours of flight training in a glider or 10 training flights in a glider with an authorized instructor on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(6) of this part including at least 3 training flights in a glider with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test; and
(ii) 5 solo flights in a glider on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(6) of this part.
(g) For an airship rating. A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air category and airship class rating must log at least 200 hours of flight time as a pilot, which includes at least the following hours:
(1) 50 hours in airships.
(2) Thirty hours of pilot in command flight time in airships or performing the duties of pilot in command in an airship with an authorized instructor aboard, which consists of—
(i) 10 hours of cross-country flight time in airships; and
(ii) 10 hours of night flight time in airships.
(3) Forty hours of instrument time to include—
(i) Instrument training using a view-limiting device for attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems; and
(ii) Twenty hours of instrument flight time, of which 10 hours must be in flight in airships.
(4) 20 hours of flight training in airships on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(7) of this part, which includes at least—
(i) Three hours in an airship with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test;
(ii) One hour cross country flight in an airship in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the point of departure; and
(iii) One hour cross country flight in an airship in nighttime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 25 nautical miles from the point of departure.
(5) 10 hours of flight training performing the duties of pilot in command with an authorized instructor on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(7) of this part, which includes at least—
(i) One cross-country flight with landings at a minimum of three points, with one segment consisting of a straight-line distance of at least 25 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(ii) 5 hours in night VFR conditions with 10 takeoffs and 10 landings (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern).
(h) For a balloon rating. A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air category and a balloon class rating must log at least 35 hours of flight time as a pilot, which includes at least the following requirements:
(1) 20 hours in balloons;
(2) 10 flights in balloons;
(3) Two flights in balloons as the pilot in command; and
(4) 10 hours of flight training that includes at least 10 training flights with an authorized instructor in balloons on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(8) of this part, which consists of at least—
(i) For a gas balloon—
(A) Two training flights of 2 hours each in a gas balloon with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test;
(B) 2 flights performing the duties of pilot in command in a gas balloon with an authorized instructor on the appropriate areas of operation; and
(C) One flight involving a controlled ascent to 5,000 feet above the launch site.
(ii) For a balloon with an airborne heater—
(A) Two training flights of 1 hour each in a balloon with an airborne heater with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test;
(B) Two solo flights in a balloon with an airborne heater on the appropriate areas of operation; and
(C) One flight involving a controlled ascent to 3,000 feet above the launch site.
(i) Permitted credit for use of a flight simulator or flight training device. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (i)(2) of this section, an applicant who has not accomplished the training required by this section in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter may:
(i) Credit a maximum of 50 hours toward the total aeronautical experience requirements for an airplane or powered-lift rating, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained from an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents that class of airplane or powered-lift category and type, if applicable, appropriate to the rating sought; and
(ii) Credit a maximum of 25 hours toward the total aeronautical experience requirements of this section for a helicopter rating, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained from an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents a helicopter and type, if applicable, appropriate to the rating sought.
(2) An applicant who has accomplished the training required by this section in a course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter may:
(i) Credit a maximum of 100 hours toward the total aeronautical experience requirements of this section for an airplane and powered-lift rating, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained from an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents that class of airplane or powered-lift category and type, if applicable, appropriate to the rating sought; and
(ii) Credit a maximum of 50 hours toward the total aeronautical experience requirements of this section for a helicopter rating, provided the aeronautical experience was obtained from an authorized instructor in a flight simulator or flight training device that represents a helicopter and type, if applicable, appropriate to the rating sought.
(3) Except when fewer hours are approved by the FAA, an applicant for the commercial pilot certificate with the airplane or powered-lift rating who has completed 190 hours of aeronautical experience is considered to have met the total aeronautical experience requirements of this section, provided the applicant satisfactorily completed an approved commercial pilot course under part 142 of this chapter and the approved course was appropriate to the commercial pilot certificate and aircraft rating sought.
 
Our insurance company want to know our pilots time solo. A couple of the guys have recorded such things from day one, including how many times they have bought new skivvies....

I just give them a SWAG estimate.
 
Our insurance company want to know our pilots time solo.
I just give them a SWAG estimate.


"" MOST of it! ""

:D

[[ I honestly think that should be in one of the OPTION boxes, instead of hard-copied onto the log.
More important hard-copy boxes {which typically don't exist} would include things such as: COMPLEX, HIGH-PERFORMANCE, CONVENTIONAL, etc.
SOLO should be in option boxes along with GLIDER, LIGHTER-THAN-AIR, SIC, and probably even DUAL and GROUND TRAINING.
Maybe even NIGHT ]]
 
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I stopped recording it after my CPL, don't think it really factors into much after that.
 
I still track it. My life insurance company was interested in that info.

Why? Do you fly more conservatively when alone, or bolder and riskier? You should ask for their stats on solo flight accidents vs. accidents with passengers.
 
Why? Do you fly more conservatively when alone, or bolder and riskier? You should ask for their stats on solo flight accidents vs. accidents with passengers.

Mine asked the same questions. My understanding is that the interviewer is some minimum wage employee asking questions from a list on the computer. I'd be surprised if that person knew anything.
 
Solo time after your ratings ,are some of the most relaxing hours you can fly. Fly solo then stop at an airport with a fly in diner,usually you can get fair food and good conversation. I don't like to be anti social but truly solo ,gives you time to re examine your life.
 
70 percent of my non-training given/received hours are solo.
 
My logbook has one column labeled "Pilot In Command (incl solo)" so for me to figure out what was solo, I'd have to go through my log and figure out which of my PIC flights were solo and which ones I had any pax. IMO as long as I'm PIC and not with another pilot it is all the same level of flying regardless of whether I am alone or have non-pilot pax.
 
Mine asked the same questions. My understanding is that the interviewer is some minimum wage employee asking questions from a list on the computer. I'd be surprised if that person knew anything.

For this instance, I wonder if they would get wise to:

Clerk: "How much total time?"

AM88: "298 hours"

Clerk: "How much solo time?

AM88: "350 hours"
 
...or have non-pilot pax.

That's a good side question...

My recent angel flight was with two individuals who are not pilots. Beyond helping me spot traffic, they had no flying duties.

Is this solo time?
 
That's a good side question...

My recent angel flight was with two individuals who are not pilots. Beyond helping me spot traffic, they had no flying duties.

Is this solo time?

This can't be a serious question. What part of "sole occupant of the aircraft" is so difficult to understand? Not sole pilot, sole occupant. The number of people that ask this is mind-boggling.
 
Who said this was to be a FAR discussion?
 
Can I log solo time when I'm flying and neither my wife or son want to talk to me? I feel alone at that point, almost like the sole occupant.
 
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That's a good side question...

My recent angel flight was with two individuals who are not pilots. Beyond helping me spot traffic, they had no flying duties.

Is this solo time?
No it is not solo time. Solo means solo. I don't keep track of my solo time since I got my CPL.
 
This can't be a serious question. What part of "sole occupant of the aircraft" is so difficult to understand? Not sole pilot, sole occupant. The number of people that ask this is mind-boggling.

I think we all understand the meaning of the verbiage in the FAR that solo means sole occupant but what we are musing about is WTF is the difference between being sole occupant or sole pilot as far as the practicality of it is concerned. What experience do you gain or what capability do you prove by being by yourself as opposed to being with the wife or other non-pilot passenger?

Sorry to boggle.
 
The only difference I can see is that even non pilot passengers can relieve some of your duties for you. Open a chart, write down a frequency or waypoint,look for traffic etc. These seem like tiny things to experienced pilots but when the task load is high they can be huge. That's why solo means solo.
 
Passengers can also distract you, making it more difficult to have a passenger than actually be solo. Sometimes.
 
I got tired of tracking PIC and solo so I just log the PIC time. If asked I'll pull a educated guess and for my commercial if I ever get it I guess I'll go back and pick some to be logged specifically for solo if need be. Or I'll just be like nobody likes me its all solo Mr FAA.
 
Some may argue you need it others may not. truth of the matter is it's just one of those things. I like being able to see how much solo time to know how much time i alone hase been the only person up there in the airplane. just something cool to look at at this point for me
 
For a while some of the insurers our club was shopping wanted goofy categories like turbo charged engine tie and tail dragger time that most people don't bother to keep track of. I guess there are some advantages to keeping these things in a spread sheet so you can arbitrarily recategorize things.
 
Passengers can also distract you, making it more difficult to have a passenger than actually be solo. Sometimes.


I usually find this to be the case.

Right after rotation... "My headset doesn't work.... Hello....hello..... It's hot in here.....I'm freezing..... Oh, look at that new highway.... when are we going to be there?"

Or my favorite- "what town/river/lake/ranch/mountain/canyon/road/mine is that?" (Of course you must know, since you're the pilot and obviously give ATC position reports by reference to the nearest interstate and barn...)

"Diaper change time...."... Here.... Do something with this dirty one!

You ask them to watch for traffic. For the next 3 hours you get urgent warnings about contrails 30,000 feet above you....

Definitely more distractions! Thank goodness for the intercom "isolate" switch!
 
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I got tired of tracking PIC and solo so I just log the PIC time. If asked I'll pull a educated guess and for my commercial if I ever get it I guess I'll go back and pick some to be logged specifically for solo if need be. Or I'll just be like nobody likes me its all solo Mr FAA.
Sorry to hear no one likes you and all your non-dual flight time is solo.

I actually know of someone who failed his commercial checkride without ever getting near the airplane because the required number of solo tasks and hours were not logged.

The Examiner would not accept the pilot's orally pointing out which flights were solo. Perhaps a bit extreme but justifiable.
 
On many of my flights I put something in the comments about who was in the airplane or solo. I hadn't specifically tracked solo before I transferred my data to electronic format via Zululog. They have a selectable checkbox if the PIC flight was solo or not.

I instinctively know that most of my time is not solo. Now I can quantify that. I also was surprised the percentage of my time that was XC for use toward my IR - I'd long since exceeded the mins required, when I started thinking about it.
 
Sorry to hear no one likes you and all your non-dual flight time is solo.

I actually know of someone who failed his commercial checkride without ever getting near the airplane because the required number of solo tasks and hours were not logged.

The Examiner would not accept the pilot's orally pointing out which flights were solo. Perhaps a bit extreme but justifiable.

Many logbooks such as mine do not have a separate column for solo time. Solo time is included in the PIC column. As such there is no convenient way to have a running total of Solo time separate from the total of PIC. The DPE should be willing to accept the hours that are specified by the examinee as being solo. I do not write "solo" in the comments section of each flight if it is solo. I do however normally write in my pax name(s) on flights where I have pax. So any PIC flight without a CFI or Pax names should be accepted as being solo.
 
I would think the applicant could have simply updated his logbook on the spot by writing "solo" in the comments section....?
 
To be honest, I didn't even know there was such a thing with the exception of needing solo time for the ppl. I always thought, until now, that it was a non term after the ppl. I was at a university in the 80's that tracked it for my CPL I suppose..?? Perhaps it was worded differently back then.?
 
To be honest, I didn't even know there was such a thing with the exception of needing solo time for the ppl. I always thought, until now, that it was a non term after the ppl. I was at a university in the 80's that tracked it for my CPL I suppose..?? Perhaps it was worded differently back then.?
I think it was different back then...
 
If they are dead, they are cargo. Best have a commercial license.


Um, no.

If they are YOUR dead, it is fine.


Also, no.

I can fly around any cargo I like for whatever purpose I like, and it's doesn't have to be my cargo.

I just can't be compensated in any way for it.

Including future "favors" per Mangiamele.

Of course when my wife and I go on trips we don't always have a "common purpose" at the far end, and her luggage shouldn't be along if she might do something nice for me later on...

Good thing nobody cares.

I'll help someone spread your ashes when you croak if you like. It won't be a commercial operation. I'll pay for the gas.

They or your estate have to pay for an appropriate release container that will keep you outside the open window.

We will have the "common purpose" of spreading you over a square mile or so.
 
Unless you have a business relationship or are otherwise compensated by "good will".

You and I both know how stupid this gets.
 
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