DFH65
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I hope they don't notice my Q tipped prop......
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Just tell them those are like winglets on a jet wing. Shorter prop but slightly more lift.
I hope they don't notice my Q tipped prop......
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Enough information to complete a W&B.What do you all carry for W&B if anything? Are they looking for an equipment list and an overall W&B. Or a specific W&B for that flight which I always have on my phone or tablet?
Bob Hoover handed his certificate to an FAA employee, who did not return it
It took years to go through the legal system to get it back, and he flew his air show in Australia while his legal team fought the FAA.
The FAA successfully maintained in court that if you willingly handed your certificate to their employee, you had surrendered it.
Thus, the new rule that they cannot ask you to hand them the certificate, just hold it so they can read it.
Dumb, yes. Legally established in court, yes.
I have attended Bobs airshow several times over the years, and met him personally. What the FAA did to him was criminal, but they got away with it.
I last met Bob following his last airshow flight at Sun and Fun. I have one of his gold Mustang tie tacks, and wear it with pride. That last show was just as near perfect as the first one I saw many years earlier.
Back to the original post, yes, I have been ramp checked, it was friendly, we had all the proper documents. At the beginning of the check, they presented their FAA identity cards. They asked if they could look at the engine space, we agreed, and after a close look with a flashlight, they complimented us on how clean it was.
We then asked that we end the check, as we had an IFR flight plan out, with a clearance void time, they responded "Have a good flight" and we departed.
The FAA rules may have been changed, but I will not hand my certificate to any FAA employee, just say I knew Bob Hoover personally, and this is the way it is done since he handed his to someone.
The FAA refused to return Bob Hoovers certificate. Period. They required him to go through a series of computer based tests of his abilities, and said he failed. I have taken that same set of tests, and on the day I took them, I happened to be very sharp, and did well. I had done some computer games that were similar, and when I got home, told my wife I did about twice as well as i would expect on an average day. Anyone who does not play with computer games would be unlikely to do well. I was about half as old as Bob at that time.
It is not myth, it is a federal court decision.
What the FAA lost sight of in defending the "voluntary surrender in court, when they lost, the court decision remains in force, no matter what changes the FAA makes in its regulations and procedures.
I used to have a copy of that decision in my flight case, provided by the AOPA to their members.
An inspector that is going to take and keep your certificate on the spot is an inspector that was going to f*ck you anyway, right or wrong. If you're unlucky enough to draw that inspector, it won't matter what you do.
The FAA refused to return Bob Hoovers certificate. Period. They required him to go through a series of computer based tests of his abilities, and said he failed. I have taken that same set of tests, and on the day I took them, I happened to be very sharp, and did well. I had done some computer games that were similar, and when I got home, told my wife I did about twice as well as i would expect on an average day. Anyone who does not play with computer games would be unlikely to do well. I was about half as old as Bob at that time.
It is not myth, it is a federal court decision.
What the FAA lost sight of in defending the "voluntary surrender in court, when they lost, the court decision remains in force, no matter what changes the FAA makes in its regulations and procedures.
I used to have a copy of that decision in my flight case, provided by the AOPA to their members.
An Inspector acting on his own can't f*ck anyone matter how hard he tries. Why? He has to get it passed his supervisor, and the supervisor will consult the 8900.1 (see above). The 8900.1 is very specific. Even if the supervisor lets it pass, it still has to go through the Manager for approval (which won't happen).
Even an emergency revocation is a time consuming and complicated process that requires several levels of approvals to accomplish.
You missed my point. On any given day, on the spot, an FAA inspector has a lot of power to make your day go very, very poorly. Sure, their supervisors may shut it down when it hits their desk, but a truly rogue inspector can ruin your day very quickly (improperly red tag the airplane, walk off with your certs, make empty threats/demands that some/most people won't have the knowledge or backbone to stand up against, etc.).
Not to worry the FAA inspectors are here to help you.
But stupid myths and rumors are fun! And so much easier than knowledge.Despite your gratuitous use of bold and underline, your statements are nonsense and simply false. The "Federal court decision" you refer to is Hoover v NTSB, No. 94-1318 (DC Cir. 1994), which simply declines to grant a petition for appellate review of an NTSB decision that upheld the revocation of Mr. Hoover's certificate. There was no serious argument that he'd surrendered his medical in that decision. He had erroneously given his medical to his AME at the FAA's direction, and when he realized his error and asked for it back, the FAA revoked it on an emergency basis. There is no "federal court" decision that says handing your certificate to an FAA inspector is a voluntary surrender.
This is how these stupid myths and rumors continue to be perpetuated.
But stupid myths and rumors are fun! And so much easier than knowledge.
...although to be fair, a bit of it is the nature of the beast. I have come across many who didn't understand the legal process when they were directly involved in it. So it's really easier to play the equivalent of the old "telephone" game and perpetuate misunderstanding.Myths and rumors certainly don't require as much thinking, and thinking is hard![]()
yup....lolMyths and rumors certainly don't require as much thinking, and thinking is hard![]()
I have one of those, standing in the corner of my office.I hope they don't notice my Q tipped prop......
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how is your compass card?....Never ramp checked since 1991. Wouldn’t care if I was, the airplanes and I have always been legal... but just hasn’t happened.
Wow, if looks could kill...!yup....lol
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yup....lol
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Yes.Is that Martha???
how is your compass card?....![]()
sounds like you have nothing to lose with a spot surveillance inspection.....Fine actually. Mechanic wanted to update it years ago, and did.
sounds like you have nothing to lose with a spot surveillance inspection.....
Remember....it's your responsibility for flying an airworthy aircraft....not your mechanic.
sounds like you have nothing to lose with a spot surveillance inspection.....
Remember....it's your responsibility for flying an airworthy aircraft....not your mechanic.
If some inspector wants to Hoover you, they will.
There is no such thing as a pilot or aircraft that can't be "violated" in some way shape or form because what is and isn't acceptable is totally subjective. Just look at the recent thread on wheel pants.
If some inspector wants to Hoover you, they will.
There is no such thing as a pilot or aircraft that can't be "violated" in some way shape or form because what is and isn't acceptable is totally subjective. Just look at the recent thread on wheel pants.
Haven’t gotten ramp checked in GA yet. My last encounter with the FAA was a few weeks ago. I was just getting done with a flight and getting ready to get off the plane and he asked for the mx logbook. I asked if I needed to stay and he just said nope, have a nice day!
Had the same thing happen to me at work. As soon as I shutdown I had an inspector outside my door. He wanted to see my certs but he was really there for a MX inspection. Unfortunately my mech asked how the flight went with him present and I had to tell him that something broke on the way back. He was all over him making sure the MEL was accurate and his entries were correct. Stupid Chelton system.![]()
Why would making sure the MEL was accurate would be a problem for you?Had the same thing happen to me at work. As soon as I shutdown I had an inspector outside my door. He wanted to see my certs but he was really there for a MX inspection. Unfortunately my mech asked how the flight went with him present and I had to tell him that something broke on the way back. He was all over him making sure the MEL was accurate and his entries were correct. Stupid Chelton system.![]()
Why would making sure the MEL was accurate would be a problem for you?
Ah...so it wasn’t going to get fixed right awayIt wouldn’t. He was making sure 1) it’s MEL able and 2) the mech went thru the correct write up approval process. Basically by bringing it up in front of him, I made life on our mech harder by extending the time the inspector was there.