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Whoever's signing the head coach's check.
That would be the University. What makes you think they would be a willing buyer?
Whoever's signing the head coach's check.
That would be the University. What makes you think they would be a willing buyer?
To be rude and answer a question with a question.
What makes you think they wouldn't be?
If not, then abolishing the restriction would have no effect and everybody's happy.
But I suspect, if they're willing to pay Nick Saban $7,000,000/year they're probably willing to toss some scraps to the All Americans.
Not to mention, history has shown they WILL pay the players no matter the rules anyway. Makes great fodder for ESPN when they do and hence, more Bud Light gets sold.
Are you kidding half the population watches football for the commercials, the female half.I just thought up a good reason NOT to pay the kids. More pay = more commercials.
IMNSHO, no one outside of ad agencies wants that.
Is also a great argument for not paying coaches. Have an existing professor do it for the love of the game. He's fortunate to work or Michigan as it is.
If you can find someone who'll succeed at the position for zero pay, more power to you. If you can't, you pay the market price.
Same as with college athletes. As soon as you don't have enough takers for your scholarship slots, maybe you need to do something different. Until then, apparently the athletes consider a scholarship adequate compensation.
Apparently they don't have any other choice. Why not remove the restriction and put your theory to the test? If you're right. Nothing changes.
And Apparently they don't see it as adequate compensation or they wouldn't be organizing a players collective/union right now. Just wait till they strike.
BS. They have unlimited other choices. They could be regular students. They could join the military. They could take one of a million jobs. They could be entrepreneurs. Or, they could accept a scholarship, which must be superior to any of their other options. If it wasn't, they would choose a better option.
As to whether the compensation is adequate, everyone, regardless of their compensation, wants more. If the compensation was truly inadequate, athletes would be walking away from the deal and taking a better one.
There is no better deal.
I agree. So if the school is already making the guy/gal the best offer on the planet, why should the school be forced by a legal action to improve the offer?
Section 2:
"Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony [. . . ]
Well, there certainly is a market for a better deal.
Well, there certainly is a market for a better deal.
The Sherman Antitrust Act comes to mind
Seems like the NCAA is guilty of
I'd vote to convict and throw the dirty bastards in jail.
It was already litigated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_Univ._of_Oklahoma
NCAA lost, and now there are many, many more games on TV, on all kinds of outlets(CBSSN, etc).
Apparently not or there wouldn't be a long line of people hoping for athletic scholarships.
Sherman? Ha. There is nothing stopping you, me, or the players from starting the next pro football league. Understand that the NFL and its exemption are what puts <edit> the brakes on college FB players from going pro early. How's that an NCAA issue?
That looks like it was about TV deals. Looks like the NCAA has a history of ignoring Sherman. If the NCPA catches some steam, we might see another one.
Apparently not or there wouldn't be a long line of people hoping for athletic scholarships.
Sherman? Ha. There is nothing stopping you, me, or the players from starting the next pro football league. Understand that the NFL and its exemption are what puts <edit> the brakes on college FB players from going pro early. How's that an NCAA issue?
Yep. There's already precedent. Since 05 the TV/radio/merchandise revenues have made literally billions for the various revenue plus schools. It's brought this situation to a boil, cause there is piles, and piles of cash out there. Look at what's happened to coaching salaries since about 04.
I don't know about jail for breaking the Sherman act, or the one that followed it, but surely the NCAA could be brought down a few pegs.
The only one's losing out are the 30 or so guys who just won a $24,000,000 football game and don't get a damn cent for it.
Let's see: Room, board, tuition, & books ~$25k/yr at most schools. Substantially higher in some places.
Top notch diet, free medical assistance, incredible facilities, incredible coaching, tutoring, first in line to register for classes, first in line for dorm space.What do you think it would cost for you or me to buy the same level of coaching, diet, training, tutoring, access, etc. for ourselves or our children? Another $50k/yr on top of the basic college expenses?
Let's see: Room, board, tuition, & books ~$25k/yr at most schools. Substantially higher in some places.
Top notch diet, free medical assistance, incredible facilities, incredible coaching, tutoring, first in line to register for classes, first in line for dorm space.What do you think it would cost for you or me to buy the same level of coaching, diet, training, tutoring, access, etc. for ourselves or our children? Another $50k/yr on top of the basic college expenses?
I did these back-of-envelope estimates for my kid in a major univ eng school. For me, it came out to right around $221k for 4-1/2 years all-in.
Good working money if the student does something with it. If they get a degree in basket-weaving, and don't get an offer from the NFL or NBA, it's kind of a waste.
I went to a good engineering school, not MIT but the college of engineering was well respected. $1,500 a semester (it's up to $3,000 now), offset with grants and academic scholarships (School was basically free). Lived with the 'rents and commuted, tried to schedule 2 or 3 day a week, weeks to minimize commuting costs. Worked 2 simultaneous jobs that I basically used to play on. College was for the most part free for me. Sis had a full ride to play softball at the same uni, after she did the math she figured out the time she was spending on softball was less than a part time job at McD's would pay and quit (and she was a star player). She also didn't like being stuck with 20 lesbians on a bus for 5-15 hours at a time. Ain't no place for a straight girl in the more competitive university's softball programs. (Not trying to go SZ, that's just how it is)
None of that means much when half the NFL would take you tomorrow for a 7 figure per year contract, and you don't want the degree to being with.
"Worth" is what we're talking about here. "What it cost" means nothing.
And why do you think it's up to anyone but the kid and the university to determine what is fair compensation and what is not? Nobody has bothered to answer that question, I've asked half a dozen times. I sure as hell don't want a legion of Al Bundy's with ego issues saying I shouldn't be paid what I feel I'm worth when there's hundreds of employers eager to pay my demands.
Why do you care? I've asked that half a dozen times.
Why shouldn't the kid be payed if the uni is willing to pay it? I've asked half a dozen times.
All you naysayers want to do is get pedantic and deliberately twist what I say while offering no justification for your own position.
None of that means much when half the NFL would take you tomorrow for a 7 figure per year contract, and you don't want the degree to being with.
Your issue is with the NFL, not the NCAA. The NFL has an antitrust exemption that allows them to prevent S/A's with less than 3 years in school from entering the league. The NCAA isn't blocking anyone.
And if you don't want the degree, don't go to college. As stated before, you have unlimited choices, choose the one that's best for you. Play ball and get an education. Join the Army. Flip burgers. You choose. If you want a bigger, better deal than what's offered, go find the BBD elsewhere.
Something that has not been brought is is that no one has had the ability to make the jump from high school to the NFL. Without at least a couple of years of college ball you don't have the skills or the size to play in the NFL. Is that one year , two years or three years of time there that is needed?
Who is the NCAA? Instead of a farm league couldn't the big colleges start playing each other outside the NCAA? Say a collection of the top Southern football schools wanted to exempt themselves from NCAA rules and play each other under agreed upon non-NCAA rules what can the NCAA do?
My issue is billions and billions and billions of dollars being made on the backs of kids who have no other options.
They are 18. They have unlimited options. They choose to attend college on scholarship and play CFB.
The CFB option has been basically the same for 50+ years, so it isn't like the S/A's are surprised at how CFB works. Athletes set themselves on the path, knowing where the path leads and the pitfalls along the way. If that's the path they wish to follow, that's fine. If not, that's OK too.
They are 18. They have unlimited options. They choose to attend college on scholarship and play CFB.
The CFB option has been basically the same for 50+ years, so it isn't like the S/A's are surprised at how CFB works. Athletes set themselves on the path, knowing where the path leads and the pitfalls along the way. If that's the path they wish to follow, that's fine. If not, that's OK too.
Yup, no gun to the head, they signed on the line. And like Ed posted, even state schools are approaching $50k/yr for tuition/room/board. $50k/yr isn't bad money at all for a college student.
If they think they can do better slinging burgers or tending bar, go for it.
They are 18. They have unlimited options. They choose to attend college on scholarship and play CFB.
The CFB option has been basically the same for 50+ years, so it isn't like the S/A's are surprised at how CFB works. Athletes set themselves on the path, knowing where the path leads and the pitfalls along the way. If that's the path they wish to follow, that's fine. If not, that's OK too.
How bout we just all agree that whatever you want to do for a living is only worth room and board? Just suck it up and go flip burgers, even if you're horrible at it.
What is your justification for not allowing the universites to pay them?
OK, then it needs to be level across all positions across a division.
A Div I starting QB gets paid $FOO, same price across all Div I schools. A Div I backup QB gets paid a price, that price is the same across all schools, etc.
Otherwise the school witht he wealthiest boosters wins, and what's the sport in that?