[NA] Since 182 buy fell through, ordered a Tesla Y

I see the same behavior both at home and at the train. Once the car charges to the target, if something else draws it down, it doesn't want to recharge back to the target. I bet it doesn't care for a couple % and that there is a boundary which once crossed would trigger it to re-charge.
I'm not sure what the trigger is to restart. You could test that out by turning on the climate and watching to see when charging starts. If it doesn't, do the hard reset. It should pull power from the charger first, not the battery.
 
It's not. That's why I said a "nit" issue. However, I make a game of it to see if I can avoid charging at home. I made it most of December with only charging at the train station. So, on Fridays, I like to start the weekend with at least 80%.
In that case, I'd set it to 90% for that location (you can have the charge level change automatically by location), and then manually change it to 100% when you leave the office to get on the train. That way it'll be approaching 95-100 when you get there, and since you're getting right in and driving it again you won't be staying at 100%.

Really, two things cause problems: Sitting at 100% for an extended period, and excess heat. The car mostly takes care of the heat thing on its own. You can use 100%, but if you do, you just want to make sure it finishes charging close to the time you want to leave.
 
Well, I got a really bad fever this week from food poisoning, and while a bit delusional, I ordered up a Tesla.

I intend on keeping my F150 3.5 Ecoboot to do the snowmobile missions up north, Cybertruck just isn’t suitable for that. However it’ll work great for 95 percent of my driving.


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Well, I got a really bad fever this week from food poisoning, and while a bit delusional, I ordered up a Tesla.
Congrats!

I'm not a truck person, but I am interested in the new tech they built into the Cybertruck, particularly, the 48V low-voltage system and the steer-by-wire system. I've seen it do some crazy maneuvering in the parking lots and other tight spaces.
 
they're pretty nice inside. EVs deserve their own version of the brodozer :)
 
Congrats!

I'm not a truck person, but I am interested in the new tech they built into the Cybertruck, particularly, the 48V low-voltage system and the steer-by-wire system. I've seen it do some crazy maneuvering in the parking lots and other tight spaces.
Yeah, I’m excited to see what I think of the steer by wire. Ive never seen a Cybertruck up close, so, im going into it pretty blind.

I do quite a bit of towing, but, most of that is easily within the range capacity, 5 miles to the lake.

When I ordered it said 1 to 6 weeks for delivery, I think. We will see if it actually plays out that way.
 
I do quite a bit of towing, but, most of that is easily within the range capacity, 5 miles to the lake.
The towing performance should be very good. Lots of torque. Just limited range.

When I ordered it said 1 to 6 weeks for delivery, I think. We will see if it actually plays out that way.
The delivery estimate gets a lot more accurate once a VIN has been assigned.

If you haven't already, watch a bunch of YouTube videos. You'll learn a lot about the truck and how it operates.

What are you planning for charging?
 
The towing performance should be very good. Lots of torque. Just limited range.
I suspect the handling with towing will actually be better then my F150 given how much more the Cybertruck weighs.

If it arrives early enough, I’ll put it to work doing some ice fishing.
The delivery estimate gets a lot more accurate once a VIN has been assigned.

If you haven't already, watch a bunch of YouTube videos. You'll learn a lot about the truck and how it operates.

What are you planning for charging?
Kent gave me a ride in his model 3 a few months ago. That was enough to make me decide to rent a model 3 on one of my business trips. Drove it from Chicago to Kansas City and back.

Given it’s a rental they had all self driving features disabled except lane centering and cruise control.

I liked the electronics, though a model 3 isn’t for me, just too small and I want some towing capability for local lake activities.

Funny enough, the thing that kicked me over the edge is a Ford “feature” that has been annoying me for years. If you park my F150, at the 2 week point exactly, all remote control of the truck thru the Ford app gets disabled. I regularly do business trips of two weeks or longer (remote starting it prior to that 2 week timer doesn’t reset it).

Nothing more annoying than needing to get into a -10F truck in a Chicago parking lot without a coat with you because some lazy software engineer chose to do a hard coded timer vs intelligently monitor the battery condition.
What are you planning for charging?
I ordered their at home charging box, plenty of appropriately gauged 220 circuits in my shop already. I’ll just repurpose one of those for this.
 
I ordered their at home charging box
Which one? The Mobile Connector or the Wall Connector?

My car came with a Mobile Connctor, and I initially used it on a 240V/50A circuit with a NEMA 14-50 outlet. At one point, the price for the Wall Connector dropped, for a few weeks, to $350. At that price, I bought one. I now keep the Mobile Connector in my frunk.
 
I have the truck. You’ll love the drive by wire and 4 wheel steering, the turning radius is very un-truck like.

Mine does tow better than my RAM 1500 did. It does affect the range, but unless it’s a heavy load it’s fine. Charging it with a trailer can be annoying.
 
Which one? The Mobile Connector or the Wall Connector?

My car came with a Mobile Connctor, and I initially used it on a 240V/50A circuit with a NEMA 14-50 outlet. At one point, the price for the Wall Connector dropped, for a few weeks, to $350. At that price, I bought one. I now keep the Mobile Connector in my frunk.
I ordered both the mobile connector & the wall connector. Is there another adapter that I also need to buy if I find myself at a non-Tesla charger somewhere?
 
I ordered both the mobile connector & the wall connector. Is there another adapter that I also need to buy if I find myself at a non-Tesla charger somewhere?
It should come with a J1772 adapter for use at public L1/L2 ("slow" AC, 120/240V) charging stations. If you want, you can purchase an SAE-CCS adapter that will allow you to use older non-Tesla fast charging stations, but since basically everyone has now standardized on the NACS (Tesla) connector and Tesla's Superchargers are both much more common and much more reliable than the others, it's only in VERY rare circumstances that it's worth buying that one - Like, you are frequently going to a particular very out-of-the-way location without a way to charge at the destination that somehow happens to have CCS charging along the way but not a Supercharger.
 
If you want, you can purchase an SAE-CCS adapter that will allow you to use older non-Tesla fast charging stations, but since basically everyone has now standardized on the NACS (Tesla) connector and Tesla's Superchargers are both much more common and much more reliable than the others, it's only in VERY rare circumstances that it's worth buying that one…

I bought one about two years ago and have yet to use it. In fact, over almost 4 years and over 90,000 miles we’ve yet to use any paid charging other than Superchargers.

We’ve gotten by fine with just the mobile connector. Mainly charge at home with a handy 240v/30a receptacle (L14-30R) which gives us about 22 miles of range per hour. I’ve acquired about a half dozen adapters, all of which get used pretty regularly when traveling. An L14/50 adapter can be handy if one ever got really low on charge and were out of range of a Supercharger or other non-Tesla charger. Campgrounds are everywhere, and I’ll bet if asked politely they’d let you plug into an RV pedestal to get enough to get you on your way.
 
I ordered both the mobile connector & the wall connector. Is there another adapter that I also need to buy if I find myself at a non-Tesla charger somewhere?
Cheesehead had your answer on the adapters.

The CCS adapter is $200 from Tesla. Might be useful, depending on where you are going to drive. You'd probably want one if you were going to tow any distance as the charging stops will be frequent and that would give you more options.


Spend some time with the www.PlugShare.com site and get their app. It's a search engine for EV charge locations and lets you filter by type of connector, speed, etc. Look around areas where you're likely to go, and where charging will be required. See what's available. On a regular (non-towing) road trip you'll likely do just fine with only Superchargers.
 
I test drove a CT with full FSD. Man, leaving the parking lot and driving the 25 minutes back to the dealer without touching the wheel was pretty amazing. But they drive amazing. The steer by wire makes you feel like you are driving a version 2 car, and everything else is a version 1. its just that different. if they made a 3 row CT (not the Y), i would buy that right now.
 
I'd love to drive a Cybertruck to see how it feels. Anybody with one coming through Nashville, look me up! LOL
 
I bought one about two years ago and have yet to use it.
Yep. Like I said, only useful in very rare circumstances, and given the cost, definitely not worth having "just in case".

FWIW, the Tesla Owners of Wisconsin club has one that can be used by club members if they need one on occasion, and I'm sure some of the other owners clubs do as well, so that could be another option.

We’ve gotten by fine with just the mobile connector. Mainly charge at home with a handy 240v/30a receptacle (L14-30R) which gives us about 22 miles of range per hour. I’ve acquired about a half dozen adapters, all of which get used pretty regularly when traveling. An L14/50 adapter can be handy if one ever got really low on charge and were out of range of a Supercharger or other non-Tesla charger. Campgrounds are everywhere, and I’ll bet if asked politely they’d let you plug into an RV pedestal to get enough to get you on your way.
The Mobile Connector usually comes with a 5-15 (standard 120V wall outlet) plug. It's well worth getting the 14/50 as that is the most common 240V outlet that you'll find out and about. Campgrounds in particular, like you mentioned. I have two of these outlets in my garage, though I don't use a mobile connector with them - It lives in my trunk.

It's worth scoping out outlets in places you go frequently where you might need or want to plug in and buying adapters for those too, but again this is fairly rare unless you have some sort of outlet in your garage that was originally meant for a welder, compressor, etc. Some people have dryers close enough to the garage that they'll unplug as well.

It's worth saving a link to these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector
Row and column table of NEMA receptacles.
 
I bought my car one week before the subsidies ended. I figured there would be some kind of, maybe even large, adjustment. Discontinuing two models is surprising.
 
Discontinuing two models is surprising.
The more I think about it, the more it seems like calling it "two models" minimizes what's happening here. It's really axing half their product line if you consider the truck to be the novelty that it is. I don't think I can remember another time when a business of this size basically said, "nah, we're done and gonna go in a completely different direction"
 
Am I the only one that didn't see this coming?

Not surprised. The novelty of those two models has worn off and the early adopters went elsewhere. Both cars have had very minor facelifts through the years so they don’t stand out anymore. Both too expensive and both have outrageous insurance costs.

If BYD and NIO get into the US it just won’t be two models dropped, they’ll crush the whole EV industry here. Not at a good time either since both Ford and GM are scaling back their EV plans. A 1,200 hp Zeekr sedan that costs half of a Model 3???
 
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I heard recently FSD statistics are showing a 90% drop in accidents compared to manual driving. Tesla should start selling cheap auto insurance and throwing in FSD as a package.
I actually find this a bit depressing. Yeah lives will be saved but at the expense of human interaction.

 
…If BYD and NIO get into the US it just won’t be two models dropped, they’ll crush the whole EV industry here. …

We had a BYD SEAL 6 (yes, that’s really the name) hybrid in Germany last month and put close to 1,500KMs on it over 3 weeks.

I was pleasantly surprised, but it sells for 42K Euro/$50K USD. At that price point, the fit was acceptable, the finish was…entry level. Pax comfort and technology was decent enough, but wind and road noise wasn’t as quiet as when I’m on my motorcycle.
 
The Mobile Connector usually comes with a 5-15 (standard 120V wall outlet) plug. It's well worth getting the 14/50
The UMC comes with both the 5-15 and 14-50 adapters now. They added the 14-50 a couple of years ago.

Am I the only one that didn't see this coming?
Not the only one, but I had been wondering when it would happen. They were always low-volume vehicles, due to their price point. Tesla is not, primarily, a car company. Selling the most cars is not their goal. The factory space in Fremont that currently builds the Models S and X will be repurposed to build Optimus.

If BYD and NIO get into the US it just won’t be two models dropped, they’ll crush the whole EV industry here.
Model Y is still the best selling EV in its class in China. BYD builds a lot of compact, and sub-compact, EVs and those make up more than half of their sales. Tesla doesn't make any compacts. If you compare only like models, Tesla outsells BYD both worldwide and in China.

Lots of people have been interested in how FSD does in snow and ice. This video, from the Out of Spec channel, shows some extreme testing on an ice-covered test track in North Carolina. It's a long video so I've queued it to about 14:10 to skip the intro and start when they're getting into the more extreme stuff.

 
The S and X were both very long in the tooth - I'm not surprised Musk decided to terminate them. The 3 and Y are so good that not many could justify the price delta for the premium lines. I know I couldn’t.

What is surprising is to not have upscale replacements ready. And the delay on the Roadster 2 is just embarrassing. Maybe the company can pivot successfully to robots and Robotaxis and AI. But it’s far from a sure thing.
 
The S and X were both very long in the tooth - I'm not surprised Musk decided to terminate them. The 3 and Y are so good that not many could justify the price delta for the premium lines. I know I couldn’t.

What is surprising is to not have upscale replacements ready.
Yeah, that's the surprising part in a nutshell. There are plenty of models that have been around for half a century and they get refreshed periodically to keep up with consumer tastes.

And the delay on the Roadster 2 is just embarrassing. Maybe the company can pivot successfully to robots and Robotaxis and AI. But it’s far from a sure thing.
It's a big swing for sure.
 
...I don't think I can remember another time when a business of this size basically said, "nah, we're done and gonna go in a completely different direction"
In another interview lately, a talking head discussed how robots are the future and automated cars are just an early generation of robots. In other words, a fully autonomous car is a much simpler robotics application compared to, say, a humanoid. I hadn't thought about it that way. So, I don't see this an they're getting out of EVs as much as we're already looking at the next robotics challenge. Of course, I could be rationalizing b/c I just bought an EV :)
 
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In other words, a fully autonomous car is a much simpler robotics application compared to, say, a humanoid.
Given that they have been between a year away from a fully autonomous car for over a decade, I guess I'll temper my expectations of a humanoid robot shipping in 2027 as Elon has promised.
 
The more I think about it, the more it seems like calling it "two models" minimizes what's happening here. It's really axing half their product line if you consider the truck to be the novelty that it is. I don't think I can remember another time when a business of this size basically said, "nah, we're done and gonna go in a completely different direction"
It's definitely a big axing of the options available for purchase, but last year they sold 1,636,129 cars, of which the S, X, and Cybertruck combined were only 50,850 (3.1%). And I'd bet that the majority of those 50K were Cybertrucks. The volume of S and X is just tiny compared to the rest.

The S and X were both very long in the tooth - I'm not surprised Musk decided to terminate them. The 3 and Y are so good that not many could justify the price delta for the premium lines. I know I couldn’t.

What is surprising is to not have upscale replacements ready. And the delay on the Roadster 2 is just embarrassing. Maybe the company can pivot successfully to robots and Robotaxis and AI. But it’s far from a sure thing.
I don't think it's "upscale" replacements they need, but upsize. I've driven a Y and it really doesn't feel much bigger than my 3, it's just more upright. Still not much room behind my seat when I'm driving. I'm starting to look at replacements for my wife's Lexus RX350 and while the Y is maybe OK, a 6-seat X would be much better. I don't really want to have to worry about the long-term reliability of the falcon wing door mechanisms though.

I'd love to get away from Tesla, but nobody else is doing it as well as they are. There are some features that I can't imagine not having at this point - At this time of year, the key one is that the cabin can get warmed up from 20ºF to 70ºF in two minutes flat. Even with all of this cold, I haven't worn a coat much this winter (I do keep one in the car for emergencies) because I can just hit the button in the app and walk outside and it's already warm.

I don't know why the other OEMs have been so slow to learn from and copy the things that Tesla has been wildly successful with. I think I would be supremely annoyed by any other car available at this point.
 
It's definitely a big axing of the options available for purchase, but last year they sold 1,636,129 cars, of which the S, X, and Cybertruck combined were only 50,850 (3.1%). And I'd bet that the majority of those 50K were Cybertrucks. The volume of S and X is just tiny compared to the rest.
I happened to look up the truck volume earlier and it wasn't quite the majority. Down to only 20K in 2025. But your point still stands, as someone who doesn't care much about cars, much less Tesla's specifically, I had no idea the X and S volume was such a small percentage.
 
It's definitely a big axing of the options available for purchase, but last year they sold 1,636,129 cars, of which the S, X, and Cybertruck combined were only 50,850 (3.1%). And I'd bet that the majority of those 50K were Cybertrucks. The volume of S and X is just tiny compared to the rest.


I don't think it's "upscale" replacements they need, but upsize. I've driven a Y and it really doesn't feel much bigger than my 3, it's just more upright. Still not much room behind my seat when I'm driving. I'm starting to look at replacements for my wife's Lexus RX350 and while the Y is maybe OK, a 6-seat X would be much better. I don't really want to have to worry about the long-term reliability of the falcon wing door mechanisms though.

I'd love to get away from Tesla, but nobody else is doing it as well as they are. There are some features that I can't imagine not having at this point - At this time of year, the key one is that the cabin can get warmed up from 20ºF to 70ºF in two minutes flat. Even with all of this cold, I haven't worn a coat much this winter (I do keep one in the car for emergencies) because I can just hit the button in the app and walk outside and it's already warm.

I don't know why the other OEMs have been so slow to learn from and copy the things that Tesla has been wildly successful with. I think I would be supremely annoyed by any other car available at this point.
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I'd love to get away from Tesla, but nobody else is doing it as well as they are. There are some features that I can't imagine not having at this point - At this time of year, the key one is that the cabin can get warmed up from 20ºF to 70ºF in two minutes flat. Even with all of this cold, I haven't worn a coat much this winter (I do keep one in the car for emergencies) because I can just hit the button in the app and walk outside and it's already warm.

I don't know why the other OEMs have been so slow to learn from and copy the things that Tesla has been wildly successful with. I think I would be supremely annoyed by any other car available at this point.
 
Still waiting on a VIN to be assigned to my order. Every couple days they push me a notification trying to sell me on a Cyberbeast upgrade, as it can be delivered sooner.
 
Tesla is not, primarily, a car company.
I knew something felt wrong about that comment. And today this came across my feed. Tesla is absolutely primarily a car company. 86% of its revenue is cars or car services. Elon may have ambitions beyond that, but that's exactly the massive change that we're talking about.

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86% of its revenue is cars or car services.
They have changed their focus away from consumer cars in favor of autonomy, robotics, and energy. That is why they cancelled plans for a compact model. Their plan is to build autonomous cars, the Semi, the new Roadster, Optimus, energy storage, solar, and AI chips.

Look at their recent filings and year-end conference call. This year, they're stopping production of the X and S, starting production on the Semi, Cybercab, and Optimus, and expanding their production of Powerwall, Megapack, Megablock, and PV cells and panels. Their lithium refinery has started trial production and will move toward full production and they are planning the construction of their chip fabrication facility. The Robotaxi service now has cars carrying paying passengers completely autonomously with the number of autonomous cars growing and plans to expand to more than a half-dozen cities this year. The factory space currently used for Model X and S production will be repurposed for the Optimus line.

So, I don't think saying that they are a "car company" is a very accurate description, even though that represented the majority of their income up to now. It is, however, how many people see, and judge, them.
 
So, I don't think saying that they are a "car company" is a very accurate description, even though that represented the majority of their income up to now. It is, however, how many people see, and judge, them.
Sure, you are valuing the ambition and I'm pointing out the 22 year history. That's fine.

I think the bigger problem Tesla investors face exists regardless. You list trucks, robots, batteries, solar and taxis as their new focus.

Today Tesla is already valued as if it's the next Oracle or Microsoft. Even if their massive pivot is successful, it positions them to compete in low margin businesses that have much more grounded valuations. Not a single one of their new directions has the lock in that adopting Oracle or MS365 has and they are all either services business (taxis) or industrial businesses (all the others) that keep margins low because of intense competition. Solar, for example, is absolutely dominated by 5-10 chinese companies. Is there a world in which Tesla outcompetes these mature companies, with super smart people, that have been in the business for decades? And does so in a way that is defensible to secure a price premium that is similar to the margins of Oracle? Man, I just don't see that path.

Repeat that thought process for every one of the five directions you listed and it seems like a disaster in the making, at least from the perspective of an investor buying or holding today. Comparing price to sales of paccar or trina solar, for example, suggests that Tesla (as a non-car diversified industrial company) should be worth a quarter to a tenth of what it's currently trading at. And that's if they are successful in their pivot.
 
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