[NA] AirBnB rant

SixPapaCharlie

SixPapaCharlie

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10-ish months ago I rented an AirBnB because we like to take a trip to Wisconsin every July. Its just a great time to get away from the heat. I have done this probably 5 years in a row with no issue.
Yesterday the host messages me "Price increase due to EAA event". Host asks me for an additional $1,100 and says if I don't agree, I can cancel and release the reservation.

Mind you, in my initial message to him I stated I wish to use his AirBnB during the Eaa event which doesn't really matter.

I tell him "No Uh huh, nope, not gonna cancel, sucks to suck" but I did it a bit more tactfully than that.

Late last night, he cancels my reservation and re-lists the property for those same dates for $5,000 more than I had reserved it.
I had originally rented it for $700. He messaged asking me for $1,100 more and now it is listed for almost $6,000

Anyone ever deal with this? I assume I am screwed as current prices in the area are quite high.

Our chat below by the way. That is some BS

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FORANE said:
As an Airbnb superhost I would recommend you contact airbnb.
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I reported his new listing and it sent me to their AI bot. Initially it offered to help me find another listing.
I think they are going to get back to me. They refunded my money this morning so I think maybe they will penalize him but I suspect I am just going to have to find and pay the going rate for a different listing.
 
I have the other bed in my non-air conditioned Dorm room Tues, Wed, Thurs I will let you use for a mere $200 a night. I will even throw in a bar of soap for your exclusive use gratis. :biggrin:
 
X3 Skier said:
I have the other bed in my non-air conditioned Dorm room Tues, Wed, Thurs I will let you use for a mere $200 a night. I will even throw in a bar of soap for your exclusive use gratis. :biggrin:
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If it were just me, I would take you up on that. You see, there is this chick.
And thank you for that offer. I really appreciate it.
 
You got a tent and a comanche, right?
 
I rent my place out with ABB and VRBO. Report him to ABB. They should block his calendar for those dates on the ABB site but that does not mean he can't rent it using VRBO.

They will also penalize him.


There was one rental that I had that came in 3 days prior to the guest arrival. I forgot to block the days off and was in the middle of redoing the entire floor in the house. He didn't want to cancel for some odd reason and I didn't want the penalty of cancelling him. Got ABB involved and had to show them proof that I was literally tearing the floors up. They gave me some type of warning. That was enough to **** me off. Horrible company but in the OP's case, they will certainly back you.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
So there's this chick...
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She needs some more adversity in that jetsetting life. Tell her it'll build character.

Seriously sucks though. Going be hard to find anything. I really hope that idiot ends up with an empty house.
 
Jim K said:
She needs some more adversity in that jetsetting life. Tell her it'll build character.

Seriously sucks though. Going be hard to find anything. I really hope that idiot ends up with an empty house.
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I booked a hotel. Took out a 2nd mortgage but its Airventure. ya do what you gotta.
 
I live on the east side of Lake Winnebago, about 35 minutes to Airventure by car, faster via boat. Not exactly next door, but the cost is $0, have plenty of space, and a spare vehicle too. lmk if interested.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
If it were just me, I would take you up on that. You see, there is this chick.
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Sharing a tiny twin bed in a dorm with 'this chick' while your roommate has to pretend to be asleep in the other twin?

Nostalgia sells. Tell her you booked the 'Reliving the College Experience' housing package, to make the week extra-special.
 
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GaryM said:
Sharing a tiny twin bed in a dorm with 'this chick' while your roommate has to pretend to be asleep in the other twin?

Nostalgia sells. Tell her you booked the special 'Reliving the College Experience' housing package, to make the week extra-special.
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Make sure to build a beer can pyramid with all your empties. It really ties the room together.
 
I host on ABB and the company doesn't tolerate this practice. Host is risking losing his ability to host. Please continue to follow up even though there is likely no additional benefit to you personally. Also, there is 0% chance ABB screwed up, as the host is claiming. Prices are set by the host, not the platform.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
I booked a hotel. Took out a 2nd mortgage but its Airventure. ya do what you gotta.
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So, serious question: what would it take for "the chick" to consider camping? What's her glamping minimums?

I am in an almost similar situation, working on a plan to make airplane camping comfortable.
 
AV8R_87 said:
So, serious question: what would it take for "the chick" to consider camping? What's her glamping minimums?

I am in an almost similar situation, working on a plan to make airplane camping comfortable.
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This would probably suffice, and I understand it might be more available than one would think.

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SixPapaCharlie said:
I reported his new listing and it sent me to their AI bot. Initially it offered to help me find another listing.
I think they are going to get back to me. They refunded my money this morning so I think maybe they will penalize him but I suspect I am just going to have to find and pay the going rate for a different listing.
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Don't let him off the hook. ABB wants to know any hosts who pull this **** because it made people not want to use the platform.
 
AV8R_87 said:
So, serious question: what would it take for "the chick" to consider camping? What's her glamping minimums?

I am in an almost similar situation, working on a plan to make airplane camping comfortable.
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I think it really boils down to one thing: restrooms and showers. And I'm with her on that.

We used to camp at Osh and just randomly until one day we looked at each other and said, "Ya know... I don't think we even like this anymore. We're just doing it because it's what people do."

There is absolutely nothing I find appealing about baking in a tent, unable to escape the heat, making the flip-flop pilgrimage to a public shower, using shared facilities, then returning to the tent to pray whatever Frankenstein battery setup I built keeps the fan alive long enough for me to fall asleep... just in time to be awakened by the tornado warning.

So now I'm up at 2:00 AM holding onto the tent while Wisconsin tries to relocate it to Illinois. Once the storm finally passes, I drift off to sleep just in time for the yodeling and the P-51s to fire up at 6:00 AM so I can unzip the tent and step from the indoor sauna into the outdoor sauna.

Now... I get it. THAT is the Osh camping experience. I've done it four times, and honestly, if you've never camped at AirVenture, you absolutely should. Seriously. You'll make memories you'll never forget.
Go to SOS Bros. Get a little too drunk. Stumble three miles back to camp. Stop and pee on the green dot on the way. These are all AirVenture rites of passage.

But...

Waking up naturally in a real bed... in air conditioning... with Wi-Fi... and running water... stretching like a newborn kitten with no concerns other than bed bugs and possibly hidden cameras...
Knowing a real shower is ten steps away albeit one likely with hidden cameras in it. Taking your time getting ready while assuming you're unknowingly starring in some unapproved documentary that's eventually going to end up on the dark web where creepy dudes pay to watch it, leading to you knowingly becoming a weird celebrity starring in dark web hits like "Bedbugs and broomsticks"...

Then grabbing Starbucks, heading back to the... studio... I mean Airbnb... and Ubering to AirVenture feeling like an actual human being...

If I have to choose... Lights. Camera. Action.

I think we're done camping.

I know I'm shaped like a man, but if I can avoid being hot, sweaty, and covered in a week's worth of campground grime, it's worth a thousand dollars in Uber rides to and from Appleton not to have to actually act like one.


Short version: Real showers, toilets, AC, and WiFi have been firmly cemented in the the foundation of Maslow's pyramid for this former camper.

I'm still going to visit SOS and pee on the dot. But then I'm ubering to a house.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
... just in time to be awakened by the tornado warning.

So now I'm up at 2:00 AM holding onto the tent while Wisconsin tries to relocate it to Illinois. Once the storm finally passes, I drift off to sleep just in time for the yodeling and the P-51s to fire up at 6:00 AM so I can unzip the tent and step from the indoor sauna into the outdoor sauna.
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SixPapaCharlie said:
Go to SOS Bros. Get a little too drunk. Stumble three miles back to camp. Stop and pee on the green dot on the way. These are all AirVenture rites of passage.
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Say no more. I’m in! Also, I lol’d.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
stretching like a newborn kitten with no concerns other than bed bugs and possibly hidden cameras...
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Pitch your tent in the AirBnB. No more bedbugs and hidden cameras. Plus, you get to say that you camped at AirVenture (sort of).
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
I think it really boils down to one thing: restrooms and showers. And I'm with her on that.

We used to camp at Osh and just randomly until one day we looked at each other and said, "Ya know... I don't think we even like this anymore. We're just doing it because it's what people do."

There is absolutely nothing I find appealing about baking in a tent, unable to escape the heat, making the flip-flop pilgrimage to a public shower, using shared facilities, then returning to the tent to pray whatever Frankenstein battery setup I built keeps the fan alive long enough for me to fall asleep... just in time to be awakened by the tornado warning.

So now I'm up at 2:00 AM holding onto the tent while Wisconsin tries to relocate it to Illinois. Once the storm finally passes, I drift off to sleep just in time for the yodeling and the P-51s to fire up at 6:00 AM so I can unzip the tent and step from the indoor sauna into the outdoor sauna.

Now... I get it. THAT is the Osh camping experience. I've done it four times, and honestly, if you've never camped at AirVenture, you absolutely should. Seriously. You'll make memories you'll never forget.
Go to SOS Bros. Get a little too drunk. Stumble three miles back to camp. Stop and pee on the green dot on the way. These are all AirVenture rites of passage.

But...

Waking up naturally in a real bed... in air conditioning... with Wi-Fi... and running water... stretching like a newborn kitten with no concerns other than bed bugs and possibly hidden cameras...
Knowing a real shower is ten steps away albeit one likely with hidden cameras in it. Taking your time getting ready while assuming you're unknowingly starring in some unapproved documentary that's eventually going to end up on the dark web where creepy dudes pay to watch it, leading to you knowingly becoming a weird celebrity starring in dark web hits like "Bedbugs and broomsticks"...

Then grabbing Starbucks, heading back to the... studio... I mean Airbnb... and Ubering to AirVenture feeling like an actual human being...

If I have to choose... Lights. Camera. Action.

I think we're done camping.

I know I'm shaped like a man, but if I can avoid being hot, sweaty, and covered in a week's worth of campground grime, it's worth a thousand dollars in Uber rides to and from Appleton not to have to actually act like one.


Short version: Real showers, toilets, AC, and WiFi have been firmly cemented in the the foundation of Maslow's pyramid for this former camper.

I'm still going to visit SOS and pee on the dot. But then I'm ubering to a house.
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The restrooms and showers are less than ideal, and i can understand that's where you draw the line. They also get worse as the week progresses. By Saturday, it can get pretty gross.

Otoh, i can't imagine dealing with traffic/ parking/ Uber, or the crowds and lines. The magic of oshkosh to me is waking up next to my airplane, walking everywhere, constantly surrounded by airplanes. Getting into the show from the n40 is a breeze, and we can get into the warbird tram or kidventure while all the normies are still in line to get into the show. After night airshow, it's a leisurely walk to the tent instead of fighting the crowd to get out. The balloon glow, twilight flight fest, evenings drinking beers next to the plane with friends.

Also nice to have a home base to escape to during the day. Get cold water, a snack, a sandwich, a nap, a change of clothes if you need it. Not have to buy every meal.

That leads into the money side. If i had Oprah money, I'd be at the Hilton. A big rented RV that was delivered for me would also be nice. I can't spend that. I can swing $300 for a week of camping. I can do that with almost zero planning. The first year we went, we decided to go the week before. This year, I'm starting my serious planning today. Now, I did have some prep... making sure the tent is functional, figuring out the solar charger. We also have splurged the last couple years and done aviators club for the night airshow, which i have to remember to buy in January. What i don't have to do is start making reservations for next year while I'm still at the show.

AC.... maybe we're more acclimated to the outdoors, but i can only remember one night in the last 5 years that I was truly uncomfortable from the heat. It's usually pretty nice.

The storms are another story though. I've had some bad times. I'm sure there will be more. If anything makes me stop camping it'll be the storms.

So.. different strokes. Camping has its benefits, and I'm happy to wear my slides to the porta-potty at 2am to not have to ride in a car for a week. Makes my own bed that much sweeter too when it's time to go home.
 
asicer said:
Plus, you get to say that you camped at AirVenture (sort of).
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meh....what IS camping anyway. For some it's backpacking out to someplace where there's nobody around for miles and sleeping under the stars. For others it's pitching a tent and setting up elaborate camp kitchens in a state park campsite with running water and electric, where your neighbors only a few feet away doing the same thing are strangers to you, Still others, define camping as pulling into that same campground with any manner of camper trailer or motorhome, complete with AC.... Then there are those that go camping in the $1mm+ motorhomes with marble floors and fireplaces

Then you have the folks living in African villages or wherever....that are NOT camping, but are living their normal life in huts that are not so unlike the tent camping noted above.

I reckon that "camping" for most folks is almost anything that is a simplified version of your normal living standards..... "roughing it"
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maybe @SixPapaCharlie 's Air B&B is camping to him and the girl. I mean he probably is roughing it because it doesn't have some convenience of life there...maybe it's missing the same fancy coffee maker that he's used to.

For me, my personal 'definition' of camping is getting out into nature in a very basic way ...such as backpacking. The state park tent camping I call "tailgate camping" Just for lack of a better term. And when in my basic low-end motorhome, it's RV-ing, not camping.
Jim K said:
Otoh, i can't imagine dealing with traffic/ parking/ Uber, or the crowds and lines. The magic of oshkosh to me is waking up next to my airplane, walking everywhere, constantly surrounded by airplanes.
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I'm with you on that regard. For my first trip to Airventure years ago, I schlepped my tent and other camping gear with me on an airline work trip. I think it was in Minnesota or somewhere.... Instead of flying home after the work thing, I drove the rental car to KOSH and set up the tent for a week in Scholler. It was an experience for sure.
Maybe having those memories is enough....But I would like to do it again, except even better if camping under the wing.... maybe some day

I've been back to Airventure several other times but never camping. We have family in the area with a lake house on Green Lake. Staying there and driving in for the day was fun, of course, but I feel like I missed out on so much of the experience. It's just not the same.
 
Jim K said:
The restrooms and showers are less than ideal, and i can understand that's where you draw the line. They also get worse as the week progresses. By Saturday, it can get pretty gross.

Otoh, i can't imagine dealing with traffic/ parking/ Uber, or the crowds and lines. The magic of oshkosh to me is waking up next to my airplane, walking everywhere, constantly surrounded by airplanes. Getting into the show from the n40 is a breeze, and we can get into the warbird tram or kidventure while all the normies are still in line to get into the show. After night airshow, it's a leisurely walk to the tent instead of fighting the crowd to get out. The balloon glow, twilight flight fest, evenings drinking beers next to the plane with friends.

Also nice to have a home base to escape to during the day. Get cold water, a snack, a sandwich, a nap, a change of clothes if you need it. Not have to buy every meal.

That leads into the money side. If i had Oprah money, I'd be at the Hilton. A big rented RV that was delivered for me would also be nice. I can't spend that. I can swing $300 for a week of camping. I can do that with almost zero planning. The first year we went, we decided to go the week before. This year, I'm starting my serious planning today. Now, I did have some prep... making sure the tent is functional, figuring out the solar charger. We also have splurged the last couple years and done aviators club for the night airshow, which i have to remember to buy in January. What i don't have to do is start making reservations for next year while I'm still at the show.

AC.... maybe we're more acclimated to the outdoors, but i can only remember one night in the last 5 years that I was truly uncomfortable from the heat. It's usually pretty nice.

The storms are another story though. I've had some bad times. I'm sure there will be more. If anything makes me stop camping it'll be the storms.

So.. different strokes. Camping has its benefits, and I'm happy to wear my slides to the porta-potty at 2am to not have to ride in a car for a week. Makes my own bed that much sweeter too when it's time to go home.
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TO BE FAIR @Jim K ....
If you and I were standing next to one another and a group of people were asked "Which of these two is a delicate flower, scared of the sun touching their skin, and gets anxious if they don't get exactly 20 ounces of pike's place coffee every single morning and which one is an actual grown, adult man who owns tools, has fired a gun and knows how to drive a stick shift?"... I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

As far as traffic, Year before last we drove so we had a car and I don't recall it being bad. We just parked in the grass lot across from pioneer field. It was an easy in and out but there was always a significant walk to and from the car. I agree about having a plane being a nice home base but the last 2 times I flew they put me in that portion of the south 40 that crosses over into Illinois.

This more expensive. I am at a hotel now in Appleton which is a 30 min drive and $1,700 for 5 nights. Car rental (and I get a huge discount through work) is $230.00 for the week.
If I flew it would be about $600 in avgas round trip and probably $100 to camp? 3 years ago, we did the airBnB and didn't rent a car and it was almost $1,000 in uber charges.

I had a conversation with @Dave Theisen last night and I think the middle ground would be selling the Comanche, Buying an RV and camping in homebuilt with the nice showers and restrooms.
That is the one spot at Airventure where I can still be out in the wild and feel like a lady.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
TO BE FAIR @Jim K ....
If you and I were standing next to one another and a group of people were asked "Which of these two is a delicate flower, scared of the sun touching their skin, and gets anxious if they don't get exactly 20 ounces of pike's place coffee every single morning and which one is an actual grown, adult man who owns tools, has fired a gun and knows how to drive a stick shift?"... I'm gonna go out on a limb here.

As far as traffic, Year before last we drove so we had a car and I don't recall it being bad. We just parked in the grass lot across from pioneer field. It was an easy in and out but there was always a significant walk to and from the car. I agree about having a plane being a nice home base but the last 2 times I flew they put me in that portion of the south 40 that crosses over into Illinois.

This more expensive. I am at a hotel now in Appleton which is a 30 min drive and $1,700 for 5 nights. Car rental (and I get a huge discount through work) is $230.00 for the week.
If I flew it would be about $600 in avgas round trip and probably $100 to camp? 3 years ago, we did the airBnB and didn't rent a car and it was almost $1,000 in uber charges.

I had a conversation with @Dave Theisen last night and I think the middle ground would be selling the Comanche, Buying an RV and camping in homebuilt with the nice showers and restrooms.
That is the one spot at Airventure where I can still be out in the wild and feel like a lady.
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Honestly, I think @tsts4 has it figured out....camper delivered to Sleepy Hollow. No idea what that costs, but it's so much quieter than Scholler and in a great spot. Not having to deal with owning an RV (the wheeled kind) and all the (literal and figurative) **** that entails.

You'd look good in an RV (the winged kind). Fun little go screw around plane to keep you grounded in GA .
 
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Jim K said:
Honestly, I think @tsts4 has it figured out....camper delivered to Sleepy Hollow. No idea what that costs, but it's so much quieter than Scholler and in a great spot. Not having to deal with owning an RV and all the (literal and figurative) **** that entails.

You'd look good in an RV. Fun little go screw around plane to keep you grounded in GA .
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The Sleepy Hollow RV camp sites run from $980 to $1170 for a 10-day minimum stay that covers all of AirVenture (difference is 30A vs 50A and sewer connections). RV rentals, on RVShare, tend to run anywhere from $90 to $300/night depending on size, age, etc. If you go that route make sure you find a rental where the owner delivers. If you want to get a site for 2027, you need to swing by or call the office and get on the reservation list sometime during Osh this year.
 
As I am prepping for osh, I will give the campers some extra points.
As a "commuter" I have no home base to store a cooler, chairs, etc. I have to haul everything on my back.
With the plane in the N40, you get to have your cooler and everything you need on site.

Currently shopping amazon for the smallest folding chairs that I can carry in my backpack.
Not a concern for those with tents under their wings. hmmmm. I have to downsize a lot of stuff to be mobile.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
10-ish months ago I rented an AirBnB because we like to take a trip to Wisconsin every July. Its just a great time to get away from the heat. I have done this probably 5 years in a row with no issue.
Yesterday the host messages me "Price increase due to EAA event". Host asks me for an additional $1,100 and says if I don't agree, I can cancel and release the reservation.

Mind you, in my initial message to him I stated I wish to use his AirBnB during the Eaa event which doesn't really matter.

I tell him "No Uh huh, nope, not gonna cancel, sucks to suck" but I did it a bit more tactfully than that.

Anyone ever deal with this? I assume I am screwed as current prices in the area are quite high.
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Dealt with a similar situation when planning a ski trip. Good on you for not cancelling and forcing the host to cancel.

My understanding is that AirBnb will eventually penalize a host if they do too many cancellations.
 
jesse said:
I live on the east side of Lake Winnebago, about 35 minutes to Airventure by car, faster via boat. Not exactly next door, but the cost is $0, have plenty of space, and a spare vehicle too. lmk if interested.
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Hard to believe we haven't gotten together yet since you moved this way.

I'm a bit further at 1 hr 30 min drive, but I basically live at the start of the conga line. I could offer a spot to stay but I have a toddler at home so that's rarely enjoyable for guests. :)
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
As I am prepping for osh, I will give the campers some extra points.
As a "commuter" I have no home base to store a cooler, chairs, etc. I have to haul everything on my back.
With the plane in the N40, you get to have your cooler and everything you need on site.

Currently shopping amazon for the smallest folding chairs that I can carry in my backpack.
Not a concern for those with tents under their wings. hmmmm. I have to downsize a lot of stuff to be mobile.
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You're welcome to leave your stuff at my campsite in Vintage if you're coming multiple days. I'm sure I can find a little room in the cooler for you too!
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
Currently shopping amazon for the smallest folding chairs that I can carry in my backpack.
Not a concern for those with tents under their wings. hmmmm. I have to downsize a lot of stuff to be mobile.
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I bought one of these a few years ago. They were $100 back then. Not as comfy as a normal chair, but VERY portable and fast to setup/tear down.
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Lowflynjack said:
You're welcome to leave your stuff at my campsite in Vintage if you're coming multiple days. I'm sure I can find a little room in the cooler for you too!
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Hmmm now how to get cooler space occupied... Can't bring it in the gate.
I should fly
 
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