Mustang Mach-E

agreed...great point!!
YES the two door versions are close, and arguably close enough to in my opinion, carry the name...
and for clarification, I wasn't even talking about the old military versions. Just going back to say the CJ-5​

and yes, good point about solid axles and running gear. I'm pretty sure, though, that the manual tranny's are no more

In my thinking, the beauty of the earlier versions of the CJ's, the IH Scouts, and the Broncos ( I had a 1966 model for a while) was that they were small, durable/rugged, and simple. Maybe almost like those things they call UTV's now, except street legal.

and even the base models have way more "fancy" baked in than the older ones did
this carsized.com site only has them going back to 1986 to compare. I'm pretty sure that even going back just to the 1970's they were smaller still...


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Both brothers have done road trips in their Teslas. The potty breaks are not any longer, and provide enough time to charge the cars that they have done 1000 miles in a day.
You can let the EV charge while you do a potty break. you cannot fill the ICE gas while doing the potty break. I think if you are anecdotally typical like most families, you stop every two - three hours for ten minutes for a potty break. That ten minutes is almost enough to charge the car for another two hours.

Tim
Can’t say we wouldn’t explore taking road trips in an EV if we had one. Not a Tesla though. I’ve been in a couple and simply would not buy one, period. They just do not appeal to me at all. I outgrew cheap plastic Spartan interiors long ago. (Now we have nice-looking, fancy plastic interiors )

I understand that Tesla was/is kind of the pioneer, and much of the success of other brands of EV seems to be built in part on their shoulders. Bully for them; good work. I just don’t like their cars.
 
and yes, good point about solid axles and running gear. I'm pretty sure, though, that the manual tranny's are no more

You’ll likely not find a manual transmission on a dealer lot, but they are still available.

I purposely special ordered a base model 2-door soft top 6-speed manual. Most of the ones on a dealer lot are very fancy four doors.
 
I think the Mach E is a good looking vehicle. Better looking than the Y.

Most non-Tesla EV's suffer from the perception that their manufacturers are still several years behind Tesla on the electric powertrain learning curve.
 
I've been looking for either a turbo or supercharger for our fossil fuel stang.
Do they have those options for the Es?
I'm sure it's just a matter of time before the mod shops are offering to install step-up transformers.

:)
 
Here's a video from Kelly's Blue Book comparing the Mach-E and Model Y. It does a good job of highlights the strengths and weaknesses of both.

Two new trims of the Model Y have been introduced since the video was produced, the Model Y Standard ($39,990) and the Model Y Performance ($57,490). I don't know what improvements Ford has made to the Mach-E since the video was produced.

 
Here's a video from Kelly's Blue Book comparing the Mach-E and Model Y. It does a good job of highlights the strengths and weaknesses of both.

Two new trims of the Model Y have been introduced since the video was produced, the Model Y Standard ($39,990) and the Model Y Performance ($57,490). I don't know what improvements Ford has made to the Mach-E since the video was produced.


The lack of physical buttons for many items, such as volume/temp/lights/wipers, along with no screen in front of the driver are still deal breakers for me. Everything else are annoyances, like the lack of proper signal stalks, gear shifter.... that I likely could ignore.

The one point I have a question on is if Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are deal breakers for me. I do not really notice the lack of them when in either brother's Tesla. But I am very much used to them in the rental cars I use and in my personal cars.

Tim
 
a fairly recent review/comparison (for those that care - but I don't)


Motor Trend has a mistake. On Tesla, you can no longer disengage the one pedal driving. It is ALWAYS on. And I really dislike it.
The review on the FSD driving was funny to me. Could be scary, but I have to admit I found it funny.

Tim
 
The lack of physical buttons for many items, such as volume/temp/lights/wipers, along with no screen in front of the driver are still deal breakers for me. Everything else are annoyances, like the lack of proper signal stalks, gear shifter.... that I likely could ignore.
Volume has a physical control. It is the left scroll wheel on the steering wheel. Roll up/down for volume, rock left/right for track/station/source advance/reverse, push for mute.

Temp is always displayed at the bottom of the screen. Tap and slide left/right. It is also available through voice control activated by pushing the voice control button on the steering wheel. When someone is seated in the front passenger seat, a second temperature control appears on their side of the screen. Heated/ventalated front seats and heated steering wheel have an auto mode that works with the climate control setting and cabin temperature. Controls can also be placed on the bottom of the screen or they can be controlled via voice.

Lights are automatic. Flashing the high-beams displays a control for off/on/auto.

Wipers are automatic. Pushing the wipe button on the steering wheel displays a control for off/low/high/auto.

The speed is in the corner near the driver. My first test drive was specifically to see how natural that was and it's fine.

Turn signal is a stalk. Not sure what is not proper about it. Many cars have stalks that don't physically latch when activated. The auto cancel function is not tied to steering wheel movement. It figures out when it should cancel based on context. For example, when changing lanes it cancels when the lane change is complete, unless you changed into a turn lane, then it stays on until the turn is complete. They have also put the stalk back into all of the cars from which it had been removed.

Gear selector is frequently automatic based on context. Swipe up/down on the screen when the auto function doesn't select the gear you want. (I don't have this and haven't tried it)

As far as controls go, since all of your settings are tied to your keycard or phone, once you set them they are always reset for you. It is rare that anything has to be adjusted.

The one point I have a question on is if Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are deal breakers for me.
I used Android Auto on my previous cars. Tesla's interface is better, IMO. It's very similar to an iPad and, like an iPad, maintains consistency throughout the interface.

The navigation is fully integrated with the car for trip planning, charging, FSD, location information, and traffic information.

For audio, I use the Spotify app almost exclusively. Apple Music, Tidal, Apple Music/Podcasts, Audible, Amazon Music, LiveOne, TuneIn, YouTube Music, FM, and Sirius XM Radio are also available. New audio apps have been added over time. Bluetooth audio is also available and is well integrated for play/pause/skip, etc. using the steering wheel or voice controls.

For video, when you're not driving, or for those in the back seat, you can stream video from Netflix, YouTube, Disney+, Hulu, Twitch, HBO GO, HBO MAX, Paramount+, MTV (is that shutting down?), TV Land, Comedy Central, Crunchyroll, Plex, and Peacock. I don't even know what some of those are.

You may not like the clean, minimalist design but many of us do. That's why it's good to have choices. A car you're never driven before filled with physical controls can be confusing, too, until you figure out where they are and how they work. The Mach-E might be a better choice for someone who like physical controls.
 
@Larry in TN

I have found the automatic lights work well most of the time on newer cars. Occasionally they do not, in which case a physical control for me that does not require me to search around on a menu system is critical. My reasoning is simple, when I found automatic lights do not work well, regardless with either brother's Tesla, my new Subaru Outback, parents Mach-E, rental BMWs... is in the mountains on windy roads or at night in bad weather. In those cases, I do NOT want to take my eyes off the road, I want to be able to handle it with a physical control. And I have found voice controls to be very unreliable, especially in a storm.

I do not recall driving a car that did not have a "latch" for indicator lights. Maybe they have gotten so good I do not notice, which is always possible.

As for minimalistic, I like minimalistic, that is the style of architecture we are actually going to design for our next house. Emphasis on minimal of the items I need or want to adjust when driving. A good example, my last Subaru had manually buttons for driving mode, my new one has no buttons for driving mode, they are all on the screen. I do not need to change driving modes when driving... On the flip side, my Subaru has a plethora of buttons that I believe could have been moved to the screen. To be fair, most of them are out of the way, examples are the hatchback lock, adjusting the dash brightness controls... I would have preferred a lot more of the items on my Subaru to moved to the screen. And based on the reviews, a few of the controls Tesla moved to the screen to go back to physical controls.

As for the speed on the top left of the display, and other items on the Tesla. Yeah, I do not like that, I have done road trips of hundreds of miles, and at the end I am still convinced it sucks and is a deal breaker for me :D Same thing for the 1-pedal driving, I really detest it. I have yet to find a car brand does it well that does not drive me bonkers.

Tim
 
Motor Trend has a mistake. On Tesla, you can no longer disengage the one pedal driving. It is ALWAYS on. ...

oy. That would make the tesla a hard pass for me. I know there are people in love with one pedal driving. And I'm glad they like it.

When I learned that the mach-e had one pedal driving, the first thing I did was make sure that it doesn't have to be activated. If I had a mach-e and ford decided to "upgrade" the software to prevent disabling one pedal driving, I think I'd burn the car. Too subtle?
 
Temp is always displayed at the bottom of the screen. Tap and slide left/right.

Thanks. I hate it.

Lights are automatic. Flashing the high-beams displays a control for off/on/auto.

Thanks. I hate it.

Wipers are automatic. Pushing the wipe button on the steering wheel displays a control for off/low/high/auto.

Thanks. I hate it.

The speed is in the corner near the driver. My first test drive was specifically to see how natural that was and it's fine.

Thanks. I hate it.

Gear selector is frequently automatic based on context. Swipe up/down on the screen when the auto function doesn't select the gear you want. (I don't have this and haven't tried it)

Thanks. I hate it.

As far as controls go, since all of your settings are tied to your keycard or phone, once you set them they are always reset for you. It is rare that anything has to be adjusted.

Thanks. I hate it.
 
I have found the automatic lights work well most of the time on newer cars.
I never touch the lights, especially now that the matrix adaptive high-beans have been activated. I have occasionally intervened with the windshield wipers, but that's rare. When I have, I hit the "wipe" button on the steer wheel and touch a different speed on the buttons that display on the bottom-left of the screen.

I found automatic lights do not work well
The auto lights with the matric adaptive high beam work exceptionally well. I often have "high beams" shining everywhere that other cars are not and the other cars aren't lit up at all by my headlights. I haven't gotten a single high-beam flash for the adaptive high beams since they were activated.

I do not recall driving a car that did not have a "latch" for indicator lights.
I've driven BMWs with them, and my Tesla, of course. My car has an older design with a two-stage control but both stages return to center when released. The newer design dropped the two-stage portion as it doesn't do anything anymore since the context-based auto-cancel was added.

And based on the reviews, a few of the controls Tesla moved to the screen to go back to physical controls.
Reviewers often don't understand the subtleties of a system due to their limited experience with them. That was true on the video I posted as above--probably a few items on the Mach-E as well.

If you want more physical controls, you can add them. (I haven't) They also give you access to functions that are not available to the driver in any other way, such as battery preconditiong, which is normally activated automatically by the navigation system.


As for the speed on the top left of the display, and other items on the Tesla. Yeah, I do not like that, I have done road trips of hundreds of miles, and at the end I am still convinced it sucks and is a deal breaker for me
I'm fine with it as it is. You can buy an aftermarket display to add it.


Same thing for the 1-pedal driving, I really detest it. I have yet to find a car brand does it well that does not drive me bonkers.
I love one-pedal driving. Took me about a day to get used to it. Now I wouldn't want to drive without it. It's nice that is also improves efficiency and nearly eliminates the need to replace the brake pads. And the brake pedal is always there for the rare instances that I need it.

Thanks. I hate it.
Great! Drive something else. Choice is a good thing. (Is the aggression necessary?)[/quote]
 
Yeah I’m not a fan of minimalistic or one pedal…or FSD. There, I said it. :oops:

To me, the Mach E still has creativity in its styling. It looks and feels like a car. Like my X, it has two screens and uses stalks. To me the ergonomics are just better than the Model Y. And the Model Y styling just seems a bit bland. It just seems cold, void of character. Almost Robotaxi like.
 
We've had our 2025 MachE for 4 months now...lovin' it! Great sport-grocery-getter.

Even more fun is grabbing stray photons directly from the sun to power it. We'e essentially off-grid at the house, with enough extra sun-power to mostly support the EV..

Jim
 
Following.

My wife has decided that her next vehicle will be the Mach-E - we're probably a year or two away from that happening, though. Electric makes good sense for her vehicle - she's 20 minutes from work in slow traffic and other than that is just running errands around town. I'm glad this thread popped up - it'll save me some research time. I have never owned a Ford before, so I have my reservations based on generations of hand-me-down bias, so I'm hesitant.
My family has had 6 Ford's over the last 20 years, really no complaints about any of them.
 
I purchased a new 2023 Premium AWD model in June 2024 and now have about 14K miles on it. Had 3 Subaru Foresters previously. Absolutely love it!

As others have mentioned it’s silly fast and a joy to drive. It still puts a smile on my cold hearted face every time I get behind the wheel. Styling is much better than any Tesla IMHO. It’s been rock solid and I’ve had zero issues (other than a few minor safety recalls) over the past 15 months.

Ford really knocked it out of the park with this car, and I’m sold on electric. Had a level 2 charger installed in my garage a week after purchasing, and do not plan to purchase another ICE vehicle again in the future.
 
I love one-pedal driving. Took me about a day to get used to it. Now I wouldn't want to drive without it. It's nice that is also improves efficiency and nearly eliminates the need to replace the brake pads. And the brake pedal is always there for the rare instances that I need it.
I would not be surprised if I have this wrong. But among the EVs I have in my extended family/friends, Ford Mach-E, Hyundai Ionic 5 and 6, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, Tesla X and Y, BMW iX Drive, MB EQS. Only Tesla has the brake pedal have only mechanical brakes. All of the others, you hit the brakes and you get regen until the battery is full at which point the mechanical brakes kick in.

Great! Drive something else. Choice is a good thing. (Is the aggression necessary?)
Agree, did not mean to come off aggressive.

Tim
 
I want this, but could be talked into a mach-e if bluecruise is close to supercruise

 
I would not be surprised if I have this wrong. But among the EVs I have in my extended family/friends, Ford Mach-E, Hyundai Ionic 5 and 6, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, Tesla X and Y, BMW iX Drive, MB EQS. Only Tesla has the brake pedal have only mechanical brakes. All of the others, you hit the brakes and you get regen until the battery is full at which point the mechanical brakes kick in.


Agree, did not mean to come off aggressive.

Tim
That sounds wrong all the way around. The Tesla brake pedal certainly does regen. In fact the display shows you when you push hard enough to engage mechanical braking. It does only mechanical when above a threshold something like 95%. Not sure the exact number.
 
But among the EVs I have in my extended family/friends, Ford Mach-E, Hyundai Ionic 5 and 6, Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt, Tesla X and Y, BMW iX Drive, MB EQS. Only Tesla has the brake pedal have only mechanical brakes. All of the others, you hit the brakes and you get regen until the battery is full at which point the mechanical brakes kick in.
I haven't driven any of the others and don't remember any details on their regen systems that I may have heard.

The Tesla has an option to use friction brakes to produce the same deceleration behavior when full regen is not available due to a high SoC or very low battery temperature. That's the only option it has right now.

Somewhat related, is the Roll/Creep/Hold option for what the car does when its at a stop and you're not pressing the brake pedal. I put it on Hold which means that the car holds in place when it comes to a stop without the need to press the brake pedal--even on hills. It works really well.

Agree, did not mean to come off aggressive.
That wasn't intended for you. It was in reply to 2-Bit's post with "Thanks. I hate it." six times without any other discussion. My intent is to have conversations, not arguments.
 
That sounds wrong all the way around. The Tesla brake pedal certainly does regen. In fact the display shows you when you push hard enough to engage mechanical braking. It does only mechanical when above a threshold something like 95%. Not sure the exact number.
Google search says regen braking via brake pedal is new for Tesla model Y.

And second reference just in case:

I was pretty sure one of the forums I am on, multiple people told me that Tesla only had mechanical linkages on the brake pedals. Looks like Tesla is finally changing that.

Tim
 
Google search says regen braking via brake pedal is new for Tesla model Y.

And second reference just in case:

I was pretty sure one of the forums I am on, multiple people told me that Tesla only had mechanical linkages on the brake pedals. Looks like Tesla is finally changing that.

Tim
I think you are misunderstanding a poorly written article. The "new" part is the setting applying to the brake pedal. It is not described well in the article.
 
I think you are misunderstanding a poorly written article. The "new" part is the setting applying to the brake pedal. It is not described well in the article.
Check the second article. Look for "A Smarter Approach to Braking".

Tim
 
increased regen when applying the brake pedal or “blended braking” only started with Tesla’s new Juniper Y. They didn’t have that before. Other EVs / Hybrids such as my Chevy Volt have had it for some time.
 
I was pretty sure one of the forums I am on, multiple people told me that Tesla only had mechanical linkages on the brake pedals. Looks like Tesla is finally changing that.
My understanding was always that regen in teslas was only from letting off the accelerator pedal pressure...that the brakes were 100% friction.

I know a lot of people love it, but I always felt that it was a stupid way to go, and I feel like that love comes at least a little from the kool-aid but maybe more from just having gotten used to it.
My audi e-tron had a beautiful blended system. It would coast for a long distance to most efficiently use the energy that had been used to get up to that speed.... then it would regen with the brake pedal up to the point that either the battery was full or you were demanding more stop than it had to give. I rarely saw it go into regen even when the battery was nearly full, for normal calm stops. A very efficient way to go.

I'm kinda glad to know that Tesla might have fixed that flaw.
 
idle question: for the cars with one-pedal driving/braking, what is the stopping distance from 60 mph (with/without using the brake pedal)?
 
idle question: for the cars with one-pedal driving/braking, what is the stopping distance from 60 mph (with/without using the brake pedal)?
Without, it’s like a smooth hard brake. With brakes, I’ve got the big brembos on my Mach-e, it stops pretty quick.
 
My understanding was always that regen in teslas was only from letting off the accelerator pedal pressure...that the brakes were 100% friction.
There used to be a setting that reduced, and maybe at one time eliminated, the regen braking when letting off of the accelerator. My car (v2025.38) no longer has those options. I had thought that the brake pedal added regen braking before friction brakes when that setting was on the reduced regen option. I'm not sure now.

I know a lot of people love it, but I always felt that it was a stupid way to go
No offense intended, but I don't understand that view at all. To me, one-pedal driving is a much more natural and smoother way to drive (after the first day or two of getting a feel for it).

It would coast for a long distance to most efficiently use the energy that had been used to get up to that speed....
There is a point where the car is coasting, it's just at some point prior to Zero of the accelerator pedal. You can see it on the screen when there is neither a green (regen) line or power (black) line on the screen. You use the accelerator pedal to command the speed that you want. When there is excess speed, the motor(s) regen and recover the unneeded kinetic energy and stores it in the battery.

I've posted this before. I was in the mountains once and drove from a point just over 5,000' elevation to a town at around 1,500' elevation. During that drive, the car's state-of-charge increased five percentage points from the regen braking and that included running the music streaming, climate control, and other car functions. It has a significant impact on the car's overall efficiency during non-freeway driving.

idle question: for the cars with one-pedal driving/braking, what is the stopping distance from 60 mph (with/without using the brake pedal)?
I've never seen that published or tested. I'd imagine it would change based on battery SoC and temperature. In any case, it is a comfortable deceleration rate for normal driving. It is enough that it's a little abrupt if you come off the pedal quickly. If you rush up on things then you'll have to add friction brakes but it's easy to drive without uses them at all.
 
These have been all over Canada for a couple of years now and every time I walk by one, even excluding the electric part of it, it doesn't even resemble a mustang. They should have branded it as something totally different. IMHO, they ruined the branding by calling this a 'stang.
 
My audi e-tron had a beautiful blended system. It would coast for a long distance to most efficiently use the energy that had been used to get up to that speed.... then it would regen with the brake pedal up to the point that either the battery was full or you were demanding more stop than it had to give. I rarely saw it go into regen even when the battery was nearly full, for normal calm stops.
Audi applied the "e-tron" tag to both HEV and BEV. Which one was yours?
 
There is a point where the car is coasting, it's just at some point prior to Zero of the accelerator pedal. You can see it on the screen when there is neither a green (regen) line or power (black) line on the screen. You use the accelerator pedal to command the speed that you want. When there is excess speed, the motor(s) regen and recover the unneeded kinetic energy and stores it in the battery.

So now I have to watch the screen as I drive little windy mountain roads? :D
(Larry you set that up so perfectly how could I not resist?)

Single pedal driving is great for constant speed, but overall I find it horrible for variable speed conditions. I tend to get a lot of variable speed conditions with the horrible Boston area drivers, and driving in mountain areas off the highways.

When on the highway, I get single pedal driving, but to be honest I rarely would use it there. I use adaptive cruise control the super majority of the time on the highways. The highways is also where I like my brother's X with FSD.

Tim
 
So now I have to watch the screen as I drive little windy mountain roads?
No. No need.

You just modulate the accelerator to control your speed. You don't have to be concerned with when you're under power, coaster, or regen braking. One pedal simply controls your speed.

Watch it while your brother is driving his X with you as a passenger. You'll see what it is doing.
 
You just modulate the accelerator to control your speed. You don't have to be concerned with when you're under power, coaster, or regen braking. One pedal simply controls your speed.

Watch it while your brother is driving his X with you as a passenger. You'll see what it is doing.
Oh I have, and even using 1-pedal mode (both brothers like it a lot), I watch them switch between accelerator and brake as the 1-pedal does not handle the speed changes fast enough, or you end up driving really slow on the less curvy sections... I was using the Reductio ad absurdum argument after you presented the 1-pedal display shows what it was doing.

I am very likely an oddball that enjoys windy curvy mountain roads where random deer and sudden turns keep you on your toes. As a result, when I am going through a turn I often want to coast, keeping as much surface friction available as possible for the turn not for changing or maintaining velocity (you can hear my tired squeal a lot when I drive on these roads). With single pedal driving, this is effectively impossible as you have no idea what the car is doing without watching the screen.

Tim
 
Some crazy deals on used Mach Es right now. I’m still looking for the right used Porsche Taycan. I’d never buy a new EV with the high depreciation on these things.
 
The one point I have a question on is if Android Auto and Apple CarPlay are deal breakers for me. I do not really notice the lack of them when in either brother's Tesla. But I am very much used to them in the rental cars I use and in my personal cars.
I was a big fan of CarPlay prior to the Tesla... But really, the whole reason CarPlay and Android Auto exist is that auto manufacturers SUCK at software and UI design. They just. Do. Not. Get. It.

I have never missed the lack of CarPlay in the Tesla, because Tesla recognizes that software is important and they do it very well. Tesla doesn't need CarPlay.

In particular, I like having Google Maps right on the main display, I like how fantastic the voice response system is at getting me where I want to go on it to avoid any typing, and I *really* like how if I have an event in my phone calendar with my location, I get in the car and it's already navigating me there without a single button push.

That sounds wrong all the way around. The Tesla brake pedal certainly does regen. In fact the display shows you when you push hard enough to engage mechanical braking. It does only mechanical when above a threshold something like 95%. Not sure the exact number.
Wait, what? Where does the display show you that mechanical braking is engaged???

Google search says regen braking via brake pedal is new for Tesla model Y.
True - But the reason for that is that if your foot is on the brake pedal, you're already getting max regen before you even push the brake.

No offense intended, but I don't understand that view at all. To me, one-pedal driving is a much more natural and smoother way to drive (after the first day or two of getting a feel for it).
One of many things that makes perfect sense once you shake off a lifetime's worth of weird habits ingrained by needing to drive ICE vehicles.

So now I have to watch the screen as I drive little windy mountain roads? :D
(Larry you set that up so perfectly how could I not resist?)

Single pedal driving is great for constant speed, but overall I find it horrible for variable speed conditions. I tend to get a lot of variable speed conditions with the horrible Boston area drivers, and driving in mountain areas off the highways.

When on the highway, I get single pedal driving, but to be honest I rarely would use it there. I use adaptive cruise control the super majority of the time on the highways.
Absolutely - For highways, especially in heavy traffic, Autopilot/FSD is a godsend.

But for carving up "roller coaster roads" single pedal is awesome. My Tesla is VERY fun to drive, and I'm lucky to have some fun roads within just a couple minutes of my house.

Single pedal just feels much more natural once you're used to it... And you'll be able to find the neutral spot (or sufficiently close to it) pretty easily once you start driving it. You really don't need to look at the screen, you can just feel that there isn't any significant acceleration/deceleration.
 
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