Meowing on Guard- can it be stopped?

Brad Z

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I'm going to come out and say it..."meowing" on guard ****es me off. I'd never say it on 121.5, as that one annoyed dude who retorts back just invites a dozen more meows. I'm sure I'll get that here too but at least you can't post on this forum anonymously.

So too does saying "any traffic in the pattern please advise..." or "last call" on CTAF, but I can forgive those radio calls as they at least have the intent of usefulness.

Look, I'm not a stick in the mud, I like a good joke as much as the next guy, but the nonsense on guard is really annoying. I usually end up turning down the volume on comm 2, which defeats the purpose of monitoring guard. I'm also based in the DC area, so monitoring guard has a bit more urgency.

I stated flying 30 years ago. I don't remember this being a thing when I started. For the last 15 years, it's been a thing nearly every flight. The other day I had to explain to my 10 year old why seemly respectable adult pilots are acting like six year olds on the radio. I mean, even he thought it was dumb, and he thinks my fart jokes are funny.

Look, I'm not looking to lock up these guys. The FCC isn't going to be going after them anytime soon, and a "meow" on guard isn't going to crash an airplane...but it could cause fewer folks to monitor guard and thus limit assistance in an actual emergency.

This has gotten me thinking...we could probably figure out who is doing this. Multi-lateration and radio triangulation can pinpoint the source of a radio transmission. ADS-B data can provide a pretty good source of an aircraft in a point in space. I'm sure you could narrow down which aircraft generated the source of the meow probably 66% percent of the time. If you use valid radio calls where the pilot uses their radio to communicate with ATC and calibrate location to radio transmission, you could get even more accurate positioning. Bonus points if the same radio was used, as you might even be able to detect a "signature" based on the radio used.

Could this be done using a scattering of inexpensive raspberry Pi computers connected to a SDR (software designed radio) receiver? Or would it take something more technically capable? I'm just a pilot, not a tech experience , so I'm not really sure.

Perhaps we could figure out who's doing this? Regional pilots? Part 141 flight school planes? Time builders? Random flying clubs? Pipeline patrol? I don't know.

But maybe a high profile YouTuber could take this on as a project to figure out how to do this? Maybe a couple uncomfortable inquiries might put the guard cats to rest...might make for fun content too. Where's Bryan? Has he started training yet?

Anyway, thanks for listening to my Ted talk/rant. In the meantime, bonus points to Bose or Lightspeed if they can come out with a new headset that filters out "meows" and "guard" sounds.
 
Doesn’t the government have recordings of everyone’s cell phone calls that they can use to identify the offenders by voice pattern?
 
I think the real issue is that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze here. Most of the flights I’ve made it’s a brief occasional thing. TBH I usually snicker when I hear it, it’s not something that’s ever been a disruption. I can’t really see it being worth committing the time and resources to stop it.

I’ve been more bothered by pilots on CTAF and occasionally ATC giving their whole life story while I’m waiting to make a quick but essential radio call.
 
This has gotten me thinking...we could probably figure out who is doing this. Multi-lateration and radio triangulation can pinpoint the source of a radio transmission. ADS-B data can provide a pretty good source of an aircraft in a point in space. I'm sure you could narrow down which aircraft generated the source of the meow probably 66% percent of the time. If you use valid radio calls where the pilot uses their radio to communicate with ATC and calibrate location to radio transmission, you could get even more accurate positioning. Bonus points if the same radio was used, as you might even be able to detect a "signature" based on the radio used.

Could this be done using a scattering of inexpensive raspberry Pi computers connected to a SDR (software designed radio) receiver? Or would it take something more technically capable? I'm just a pilot, not a tech experience , so I'm not really sure.
It can be done. One version of it for hobbyists seems to have even evolved into a sport. Overlaying it with ADSB is of course possible, since we routinely pull the ADSB data in the aviation mishaps thread. Whether the juice is worth the squeeze on deploying such a network to catch chronic "Meowers" is another question entirely. But if you want to design a system, I'll volunteer my idle SDR, amp and pi to the cause!

And FWIW, I wholeheartedly agree on the obnoxious TX on 121.5. I don't get how someone can have the smarts to pass a PPL/IFR/CFI/..., but then regress to the intelligence of a potato where they think meowing on the emergency frequency is good fun.
It encourages me to listen to guard less when I hear back-and-forth between two ass clowns meowing and "GUARRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD"ing back and forth.
 
Your fart jokes ARE funny.
 
I thought "last call" was pretty standard. It's, like, I'm exiting the area. Particularly useful for pilot controlled areas with a lot of transition traffic (think: the shoreline over Miami Beach)
 
this was the furthest thing from a ted talk. and jokes about butt burps ARE funny.
 
I'm with @Brad Z , It's just got to stop. I monitor 121.5 like you're supposed to and I have now added to my IFR procedures to mute it once I'm about 20 miles from my IAF. Not sure if it's tied to certain geographies or the time of day, but there are times where it just gets ridiculous.
 
I'm with @Brad Z , It's just got to stop. I monitor 121.5 like you're supposed to and I have now added to my IFR procedures to mute it once I'm about 20 miles from my IAF. Not sure if it's tied to certain geographies or the time of day, but there are times where it just gets ridiculous.
I no longer monitor guard when I'm talking with my last RADAR guy of the day.
 
I would have to turn my radio on AND listen to 121.5…. Can’t see that happening. Ergo, I’m not sure there really is a problem.
Are we not required to do this since 9/11? That is the only way I knew this was a thing, we are required now to monitor 121.5 if the radio is not used for anything else; it is not just a good idea.
 
I thought "last call" was pretty standard.
Don't get me started!! Show me "Last Call" in the AIM or any AC related to Non Towered fields.

You may fly out of a sleepy Non Towered field, but getting in the habit of saying "last call" or even worse, CFIs that are teaching it, really do a disservice when flying into a busy field. The AIM specifically calls out that “Traffic in the area, please advise” is not a recognized Self−Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used under any condition. Maybe "Last Call" will be added soon.
 
“Any traffic in the pattern, please advise.” Yup heard it yesterday afternoon as I was practicing in the pattern. Turns out is was from a Falcon biz jet driver! Whoa! :cool:

I was on CTAF, not Guard, so didn’t hear any MEOWs.
 
“Any traffic in the pattern, please advise.” Yup heard it yesterday afternoon as I was practicing in the pattern. Turns out is was from a Falcon biz jet driver! Whoa! :cool:

I was on CTAF, not Guard, so didn’t hear any MEOWs.
Turbine crews are some of the worst offenders of this practice. That. Said, I can almost forgive them for their use of the ATITPPA radio call, as they are almost always getting a late frequency change from ATC and moving nearly twice as fast as anything in the pattern, so they don’t have quite the same time to build the mental situational picture of what’s going on around the airport in comparison to the 85kt Cessna150 ATITPPAing 10 miles out.
 
I thought "last call" was pretty standard. It's, like, I'm exiting the area. Particularly useful for pilot controlled areas with a lot of transition traffic (think: the shoreline over Miami Beach)
“Last Call” seemed to come out of nowhere about 15 or so years ago, and then seemed to be adopted by instructors who then taught their students. All you have to say is “nowhere traffic, Cessna 123AB departing pattern eastbound, nowhere”. If you’re departing the pattern, there are no more CTAF radio calls to be made and the fact that you’re no longer monitoring the frequency is assumed.
 
I vote for we all start farting on guard to show the immature meowers who's boss.
 
Don't get me started!! Show me "Last Call" in the AIM or any AC related to Non Towered fields.

"Last Call" should be before "Meow", right?
 
Meow is annoying but the more you fight it the worse it will get.

Atitppa, when the freq is idle usually results in a response from me along the lines of “I advise you don’t eat the yellow snow”.

Last call is stupid, but again, who cares.

The other direction, I refuse to make a call saying I’m clear of the runway when I’m in clear view of traffic that cares. If there’s a grade or obstruction, I’ll call it. Some pilots I fly with like to remind me to do it and that annoys me.
 
The other direction, I refuse to make a call saying I’m clear of the runway when I’m in clear view of traffic that cares. If there’s a grade or obstruction, I’ll call it.
Oh, I dunno. If you called "Clear of the runway, taxi to fuel island" versus "Clear of the runway, taxi back for straight out departure", I might choose a different taxiway so that we don't come nose to nose.
 
Like a lot of bad behavior, the more you react to it, the more the doers are encouraged to keep doing it. Ignore them, and the only one reacting is the FAA/FCC. Eventually the fad will fade.
 
and say it..."meowing" on guard ****es me off
Ditto

Look, I'm not looking to lock up these guys.
I am... straight to jail :stirpot:
OR at least to the chief's office for tea and biscuits, followed by a 45 day suspension by the FAA. Play stupid games, win stupid prices.

This has gotten me thinking...we could probably figure out who is doing this. Multi-lateration and radio triangulation can pinpoint the source of a radio transmission.
I've been having similar thoughts for a while. A couple quadrature dipoles at two different locations, get a bearing hit, correlate with ADS-B, establish positive identification by comparing voice/background electrical noise, and send the findings to the FAA and chief pilot before they get on the ground.

Judging by the background electrical noise, I'm guessing a good portion of them are regional jets, but there are some quiet ones, indicating big jets.

Either way, we're talking professionals here, people that should know better than acting like 5 year olds on the emergency frequency. Or venting their political frustrations. Hence why I'm all for certificate actions on this.
 
Ditto


I am... straight to jail :stirpot:
OR at least to the chief's office for tea and biscuits, followed by a 45 day suspension by the FAA. Play stupid games, win stupid prices.


I've been having similar thoughts for a while. A couple quadrature dipoles at two different locations, get a bearing hit, correlate with ADS-B, establish positive identification by comparing voice/background electrical noise, and send the findings to the FAA and chief pilot before they get on the ground.

Judging by the background electrical noise, I'm guessing a good portion of them are regional jets, but there are some quiet ones, indicating big jets.

Either way, we're talking professionals here, people that should know better than acting like 5 year olds on the emergency frequency. Or venting their political frustrations. Hence why I'm all for certificate actions on this.
I don’t expect the FAA to engage in enforcement action; violations of radio usage are squarely within the FCC’s realm. They do, however, have some pretty large fines to dole out.

I think a note to the operator with some evidence will do. A carpet dance with the chief pilot would be enough to change behavior. Word would get out that you’re *not* anonymous, and the stupidity would stop. Sure, you’re going to still get the annoying “you’re on guaaaaard” keyed up when someone erroneously makes a passenger announcement on 121.5, but at least some of the more blatant stuff will stop.
 
Sure, you’re going to still get the annoying “you’re on guaaaaard” keyed up when someone erroneously makes a passenger announcement on 121.5
I don't think it's that annoying, so long as it's just 1 or 2 rather than a few dozen that's just piling on for the sake of piling on.
 
Are you guys hearing this stuff more often than I am? I’d say I only hear something every 2-3 flights hours on average which really doesn’t seem like that big of a deal.
 
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