Langley AFB. Possible crash a few minutes ago.

Not at all outdated. There is no legitimate public interest in releasing the video prior to the report. Satisfying his fans, Youtube speculators (aka amateur investigators), people who just want it for clickbait profit, and anti-GA groups are not valid reasons for posting it.

“We will update you when the investigation has reached a more mature stage. At this time there is no indication that the factors in this mishap have an effect on other aviation activities or public safety. You will be notified via a press release when more information is available. Thank you.”
If that's your metric, then there's no legitimate public interest in releasing any information about it ever. His plane was 1 of 1. And if it was a medical event, that only affects him. So the probability of this accident's cause having an affect on other aviation activities or public safety is quite low.

OTOH public reporting of facts related to events of public interest is a legitimate reason to release information.
 
Not at all outdated. There is no legitimate public interest in releasing the video prior to the report. Satisfying his fans, Youtube speculators (aka amateur investigators), people who just want it for clickbait profit, and anti-GA groups are not valid reasons for posting it.

“We will update you when the investigation has reached a more mature stage. At this time there is no indication that the factors in this mishap have an effect on other aviation activities or public safety. You will be notified via a press release when more information is available. Thank you.”
OK we’ll circle the wagons then.
 
Composite aircraft have some voodoo involved in structural evaluation.
We lost a local airshow pilot, Andrew Wright, 10 years ago in his Giles 202. It was determined that there was poor bond quality during construction. He routinely pulled 9+ G's and posted it on social media. The entire tail came off during an airshow practice. Still hard to think about.
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If that's your metric, then there's no legitimate public interest in releasing any information about it ever. His plane was 1 of 1. And if it was a medical event, that only affects him. So the probability of this accident's cause having an affect on other aviation activities or public safety is quite low.

OTOH public reporting of facts related to events of public interest is a legitimate reason to release information.
Not necessarily. If there was a problem with the plane, it might be something that other aircraft have in common, whether it’s materials, how it’s assembled, or other characteristics. If it was medical, there might be a factor that others share.

I’m just saying that it’s better to wait until there are more confirmed facts before releasing information.
 
Am I the only one who finds it kind of refreshing that social media wasn't instantly flooded with pictures and videos of the demise of this hero of aviation? I'd like to know how it happened, but I hope the pictures/videos are never released; I don't need to see that.

For that matter, would anyone really be taking pictures of a routine landing after a ferry flight?
 
Am I the only one who finds it kind of refreshing that social media wasn't instantly flooded with pictures and videos of the demise of this hero of aviation? I'd like to know how it happened, but I hope the pictures/videos are never released; I don't need to see that.

For that matter, would anyone really be taking pictures of a routine landing after a ferry flight?
Sure. There are often photographers snapping pics of every performer and static arrival.
 
Doesn't look too bad so far. Spade shovel broke in half and there is some rash on the bottom skin.

But .... TBD if any damage to the aileron hinge mounts. Composite aircraft have some voodoo involved in structural evaluation.
I remember the highly sophisticated tool and technique we used on the first carbon fiber composite parts in the USAF to detect delaminations. The tool was a Quarter coin and the technique was to tap the surface and listen for a funky sound. Can’t imagine what gazzilion dollar gizmos they use now.
 
I remember the highly sophisticated tool and technique we used on the first carbon fiber composite parts in the USAF to detect delaminations. The tool was a Quarter coin and the technique was to tap the surface and listen for a funky sound. Can’t imagine what gazzilion dollar gizmos they use now.
It's the same coin. Only now it costs $50,000 and has to be handled by a civilian contractor with a supervisor observing.
 
Am I the only one who finds it kind of refreshing that social media wasn't instantly flooded with pictures and videos of the demise of this hero of aviation? I'd like to know how it happened, but I hope the pictures/videos are never released; I don't need to see that.

For that matter, would anyone really be taking pictures of a routine landing after a ferry flight?
Are you kidding? There are people that take video of every boring commuter jet that lands at an airport all day long. It's a bit weird, but it is true.

 
Are you kidding? There are people that take video of every boring commuter jet that lands at an airport all day long. It's a bit weird, but it is true.

They’re not even close to as weird as the guys who watch trains and keep detailed records of the engine numbers and what kind of cars it’s towing. Or guys who pay to go on airline flights just to update their “logbook” with a new sub-sub-model they’ve ridden on. Oh boy, I’ve finally gotten to go on a 737-8Z21! The stitching on the seats is cream colored instead of off-white!
 
Am I the only one who finds it kind of refreshing that social media wasn't instantly flooded with pictures and videos of the demise of this hero of aviation?
If it didn't happen on a rather secure military base, I don't think you'd be as refreshed.

Can’t imagine what gazzilion dollar gizmos they use now.
Same method but some OEMs came up with small tap hammers as holding a coin for extended periods tended to get a bit tedious. Here's the Diamond method and a pic of a tap hammer.

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…For that matter, would anyone really be taking pictures of a routine landing after a ferry flight?
The likelihood of someone with line of sight for RWY8 captain’s bars at Langley violating the restrictions around filming sensitive areas is kind of low.

Most of the .mil guys were working and the base wasn’t open to the public Thursday, so the closest jabroney probably would’ve been across Armistead.

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If it didn't happen on a rather secure military base, I don't think you'd be as refreshed.


Same method but some OEMs came up with small tap hammers as holding a coin for extended periods tended to get a bit tedious. Here's the Diamond method and a pic of a tap hammer.

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If it had a NSN, it would be at least $1000
 
Visibility around the base from every angle except the water side is pretty bad, too from a public perspective.
 
I’ve heard from an acquaintance that he heard from now two different airshow performers that a wing fell off. According to my acquaintance, they were there. According to the airshow schedule, neither were on the list of performers, and one of them doesn’t appear to have done any airshows in at least two years.
 
I’ve heard from an acquaintance that he heard from now two different airshow performers that a wing fell off. According to my acquaintance, they were there. According to the airshow schedule, neither were on the list of performers, and one of them doesn’t appear to have done any airshows in at least two years.

IMO if it were something that obvious, the NTSB investigator probably would have mentioned it during his initial press conference.
 
I’ve heard from an acquaintance that he heard from now two different airshow performers that a wing fell off. According to my acquaintance, they were there. According to the airshow schedule, neither were on the list of performers, and one of them doesn’t appear to have done any airshows in at least two years.
The problem with that is that the wing is a single spar, complete carry-through, not bolted on. So, it is hard to imagine how one wing would separate.
 
The problem with that is that the wing is a single spar, complete carry-through, not bolted on. So, it is hard to imagine how one wing would separate.
Purely speculatively, if the failure point was outside of the fuselage then 90% of that wing could separate and the rest would remain attached to the fuselage. That doesn't seem that hard to imagine.
 
Purely speculatively, if the failure point was outside of the fuselage then 90% of that wing could separate and the rest would remain attached to the fuselage. That doesn't seem that hard to imagine.

Except for the part that it's rated to 16G. Hard to imagine that failing.
 
"Rated" to 16G based on something. Testing or theoretical? And regularly stressed to 12G or more. I know a decade ago at least, NDT of composite airplane structures was still a problem to be solved and $$$.
And someone above mentioned a previous incident, without describing what it was. If that happened, there are a lot of ways that could have stressed something in the wing without being obvious.
 
Well, ANYTHING can break. And elastic things exhibit brittle characteristics under the right conditions.

That airplane can’t pull 16 g’s likely…

BUT

Imagine a compromised structure subjected to wildly unimagined g-onset due to something like a heart attack.

None of these stories is impossible, nor exclusive of each other.

Simply need more info to even wildly guess, we’re not even down to that level yet.
 
Well, ANYTHING can break. And elastic things exhibit brittle characteristics under the right conditions.

That airplane can’t pull 16 g’s likely…

BUT

Imagine a compromised structure subjected to wildly unimagined g-onset due to something like a heart attack.

None of these stories is impossible, nor exclusive of each other.

Simply need more info to even wildly guess, we’re not even down to that level yet.

I believe if it were major structural failure, it would have spread like wildfire through the IAC. There are plenty of other pilots flying the MX series in competition and airshows. They all know each other very well. At least one very famous airshow pilot witnessed the crash.
 
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I believe if it were major structural failure, it would have spread like wildfire through the IAC. There are plenty of other pilots flying the MX series in competition and airshows. They all know each other very well. At least one very famous airshow pilot witnessed the crash.
And why haven't they come forward?
 
Hey Ed, what is the cornering speed of a plane like that?
 
Hey Ed, what is the cornering speed of a plane like that?
I don't know. I have no experience flying the high performance monoplanes, and cornering speed is not a civilian acro concept that is discussed in competition, at least not at my level. Maneuvering speed for the MXS is 161 kts, and Vne is 230, if that helps.

I am always amazed to watch the advanced and unlimited guys point it straight at the ground with full power, do a couple rolls, and then crank it vertical. That has got to hurt.

My thing is beating Extras and Pitts in my Decathlon. I have toyed with the idea of moving up to Intermediate, but I would really be flogging my plane hard.
 
This reminds me of when Steve Irwin died. Rumors went from "snake bit him on the nose" to "eaten by a great white" and everything in between.

I heard it from a guy who knows a guy... who was there right after and talked to the medic/drove the truck/disposed of the dead snake...

#themorethingschange
 
On another forum frequented by acro pilots, there was talk of a possible flight control failure.
 
On another forum frequented by acro pilots, there was talk of a possible flight control failure.
It's sounding more like an obstruction/blockage than a failure of the elevator control system. Pretty sure they have what's needed to detail everything in the final, I just hope it happens.
 
While we are waiting for the initial, I'll put a plug in for visiting a contest. If you have never been to one, it is a good excuse for a Saturday morning $100 hamburger flight. They happen all over the country. Here is a list of the contest schedule for this year: https://www.iac.org/contests

They are usually scheduled for a Friday and Saturday, start early in the morning, and last most of the day. Pilots fly by skill level, in groups of 10 or so, with periodic resets between groups. The general rhythm will be an hour or two of fairly continuous flying, followed by 30 minutes of down time.

Nobody minds if you wander up to watch, ask questions, and look at planes, as long as you stay out of the judge's area. That area will be obvious, with groups of 3 chairs in a straight line and lots of people with clipboards.

GA people may have some apprehension about flying into an airfield with an active contest, but it's perfectly fine and safe. The contest knows they depend on the good graces of the airport manager, who does not want normal operations disrupted. A lot of effort will be put into deconflicting traffic, typically involving putting the traffic patterns on one side of the field and the box on the other. The contest will be NOTAM'ed and there will be arrival instructions on ATIS. The contest organizers will have a spotter with radio on traffic frequency and will stop aerobatic flight if they see an aircraft about to enter the box.

To connect it back to the OP, Rob Holland designed all the unknown sequences for IAC Advanced and Unlimited. Those are the surprise sequences given to pilots the night before they must fly them, so they never get a chance to practice. Cool, huh? BTW, if you see a wierdo off to the side doing what looks like a strange dance, don't talk to them. They are mentally rehearsing their unknown.
 
Of all the Rob Holland pics on the web right now, I think this is the best one. He volunteered to be a boundary line judge at last year's US Aerobatic Championships. That is a crap job. Sitting in a field alone for hours, watching to make sure aircraft don't leave the box.

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