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Discussion in 'Avionics and Upgrades' started by Stallhorn, Sep 14, 2017.
When are you going to do the install?
Moorhead aviation. Got quotes from all the way to Bismark, park rapids etc , these guys were cheapest and got some good reference as well
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Jan end. gotto read the Q before I answer
One last update for you guys.
Install completed a couple of weeks ago. Looks beautiful and works great too! Now a GFC 500 would complete this airplane. One club member joked we didn't need the HSI - the CDI and GS flags come up on the AI. That little AI has everything!
that looks awesome!! those little things looks pretty big in the picture and when installed, but when u hold them in your hand.. they are surprisingly tiny
That's what she said.
I wish they would get it wrapped up. They still don't have the first STC done.
With dual G5's plus GFC 500 being $10.9k (2 servos) / $12.6k (3 servos) just for the hardware, the Dynon option at $16k will start looking really nice for many people. Dynon is hoping the installed cost is in the mid $20's. Depending upon what's already in the plane, that could put one in a really nice spot.
Dynon will probably end up being the best bang for the $, displays, autopilot, engine monitor. I was just surfing their "experimental" installation manuals for the Skyview trying to figure out if they interface with older analog radios like the KX155 and whatnot, I didn't find it. I know they have something for the D10A and stuff but did not find the same interface box in the Skyview manuals (over 500 pages long BTW).
Personally its very hard to spend that much money at once so the capability to piecemeal upgrades is easier for me.
For sure, and the dynon is leaps and bounds beyond the self limited G5s.
That looks nice and spiffy.
Looks great. Cant wait for my G5 HSI.
I'm really glad the Dynon Skyview is coming (it would seem, though it's yet to be certified) but I can't get comfortable with it. It's just not for me.
You're talking about putting a lot of eggs in Dynon's basket -- a company who is just now venturing into certified avionics and is going head to head with the "big G," a formidable competitor to be sure. Then you're talking about a complete panel replacement, very difficult if not impossible to do in stages, so you have to pony up and do it then and there. From a business perspective, this is a gamble on the part of the end user, no two ways about it.
My other gripe with Dynon is interface. The Skyview is improved over previous products in this regard but it still has the look and feel of homebuilt avionics across the component group. It doesn't have the polish, slick integration and smooth UI of the Garmin products. The DNA of this company is in homebuilts, not retrofitting legacy certified aircraft.
All combined it comes down to Garmin being the better bet for me. The G5s are fantastic. Self-limiting? Okay, sure, they're not PFDs ala Aspen or even Skyview, but they're incredibly capable devices for pennies on the dollar compared to what was available recently. The G5 interfaces with the GFC500 and GTN650/750 series as well as older GNS boxes. Plus I can install the G5s today, and move into the rest of the suite over time as the budget allows. A $30k drop into the panel of my $90k bird all at once just isn't going to happen.
Finally, I think the expected installation costs of the Skyview are wildly optimistic. If the Skyview HDX with all the trimmings comes to your hangar in boxes for around $20k, I'm imagining a realistic budget of another $20-25k to get it all installed, not including the autopilot. There are savings, but not so substantial as one might expect for it being a Dynon product. For a relatively small premium you can deal with Garmin and not sweat the support or business infrastructure/long-term viability issues.
So for me, Garmin is the winner in this heads-up. Also of note, Garmin has been steadily releasing products, adding aircraft to AMLs and updating the existing new product lines in terms of software integration and additional hardware capability this entire time... Dynon has yet to cross the starting line.
Best of luck to them, though. Competition is great for all of us.
I was in the avoinucs shop today, and they are estimating 150 hrs plus at a minimum for SkyView installation
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Did you hook the IFD440 up to the G5?
My quote for dual G5s and a GTX 345 transponder with install was $18,000. I'm in Boston where everything aviation is expensive. (Hangars with sliding non-electric doors are $800.) Sounded a little high, but from what I'm reading I would have to travel south get it done for less. The travel costs would probably negate the savings.
At least you’d get some flying time out of it...possibly a couple of meals, Uber rides, and a hotel room too!
I’m getting dual g5, 345, upgrade the 530 to WAAS. Got quoted 20k. Got quotes from all around the area, Long Island, CT, Mass, this was the best price.
I know the g5 is giving the Aspen some completion, but the goal is to have a real IFR machine, I personally think the Aspen is hard to beat. We are going to put one in the 310 we just purchased. Super excited about the integration with the S-tec 55x we currently have and the integration with the Lynx L3 we are adding.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Garmin equipment, but it appears they have only come up with the new products and more reasonable prices because of pressure for the other manufactures like trutrak and Aspen. I also have an issue with Garmin and how they appear to be protecting a local dealer by not allowing a new dealer to sell their products. I like the existing local guy, but I also like the new guy and he is prepared to cater to the smaller guys. Fine with me, I won't look at the new touch screen Garmin products or a g500, I will put in an aspen. I have a 530/430 and if one of them fails, I will strongly look at sliding in an Avidyne in instead of fixing the unit or upgrading to a 650 or 750. I love my Aspen/750 combo in my 182 and one of the 421's I occasionally fly, but I am guessing I can quickly learn to love the Avidyne also.
I really don't think Garmin cares about us little guys.