Extra skills we should have learned as student pilots

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Using 20/20 hindsight, what additional knowledge or skills would have been nice to know prior to completing your Private Pilot check ride?

Knowledge or skills beyond the mandatory PTS and written test items.
 
1. Using self-service fuel pumps. Because many FBOs have the fuel truck on call and most aircraft can complete the x-country requirements on the same tank, you might actually get PPL and only watched the professionals fuel the plane.

2. Difference between light trainers and heavier planes. The more economical trainer planes (Beech Skipper, C152, Piper Tomahawk, etc) allow for bad habits. Maybe encouragement to take a bigger plane for a flight or two. Anyone who's flown a 115hp Skipper knows you often cruise within the white arc. The transition to a "powerful" 180hp C172 makes the need to avoid over speed a real thing, rather than academic.
 
Using 20/20 hindsight, what additional knowledge or skills would have been nice to know prior to completing your Private Pilot check ride?

Knowledge or skills beyond the mandatory PTS and written test items.
Better XC planning, specifically with respect to weather -- and reinforcing the value of waiting it out on the ground.

If I were a CFI I'd probably ask the students to also look up 5 actual fatal VFR into IMC cases, read the NTSBs, dig up the historical relevant METARs/TAFs and explain what likely went wrong.
Kind of like what we do in our Aviation Mishap board. All in an attempt to try and make things a little more concrete about the cost of being over confident or ignorant.
Something like that to drive home the idea that it's not just things that happen to other people.
 
Operating at a what are now Class C or B airports. Especially ground ops since my primary airport was a single runway non tower field and the towered airport I went to is now a sleepy D with one runway.
 
A better understanding of how to look this up in the FARs, AIM, and other FAA documents instead of just sticking with what your CFI told you or "how we do it at our airport".
What prevented you from doing that during training? Of course I was the guy read the FAR/AIM front to back multiple times, and had questions on them that none of the CFI's had heard before.

My CFI went way beyond the PTS in what he taught me. "This is something the FAA won't teach but I had to do when I was flying a colony of honey bees in Central America..."

What I like to do with my students is bring up scenarios I've encountered or heard about during my flying career. "OK, you can only navigate the last 5 miles to the airport by looking ONLY out the side window."

I also teach time to airport rather than miles to airport. That way when you jump from a 75kt cruise plane to a 120 or 150kts cruise plane, you aren't behind when you start the pre-landing checklist 5 miles out.
 
How literally anything on the plane works, other than the rote memorization of answers like "magnetoes go brrrr and don't need batteries"

Plane ownership is a deep dark hole lined with footguns and should be its own checkride

Most likely, Your CFI was where you are 200 hours ago. Fact check.
 
Knowledge or skills beyond the mandatory PTS and written test items.
The knowledge of what Part 91.403(a) actually means and requires which would better prepare a newly minted pilot once the check ride is over.
 
Tailwheel (and not just minimums to get endorsement, but some real experience in strong, gusting1/4ing wind landings). It will improve your precision.
 
I concur with @schmookeeg regarding ownership. Finding and buying and insuring one’s own plane is a huge task. The whole world of STCs and PMAs and ADs and owner-produced parts and owner maintenance and annual inspections and so on is complex and would benefit from instruction.

But most CFIs are probably not owners themselves.
 
How literally anything on the plane works, other than the rote memorization of answers like "magnetoes go brrrr and don't need batteries"

Plane ownership is a deep dark hole lined with footguns and should be its own checkride

Most likely, Your CFI was where you are 200 hours ago. Fact check.
My CFI's were not airplane owners. Maybe there should exist a CFI-O?
 
Weather. You can never learn and know enough about the weather when flying. Learn patterns and reasons for the weather in areas outside your local area. Try planning some fake longer trips and then review the weather the next day to see what it actually did. Try to figure out things like why the winds changed when they did or why the front moved in slower or faster than you expected.
 
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To study accident reports, including generating concise & correct takeaways from each.
-For all GA.
-Maybe some focus on the model I’m flying.
-Situational: starting mountain flying? go find and review those; starting ifr? let’s see how that can get you, etc
 
landing at night with no landing lights, landing with airspeed covered.
Reminds me of the time my CFI had me land like that but without runway lights. It was training for CFI, but still...
 
Using 20/20 hindsight, what additional knowledge or skills would have been nice to know prior to completing your Private Pilot check ride?
Ooooh, I have a whole list of these going. Started it years ago "for when I got my CFI" which I still haven't done. :(

* How to fuel the plane at a self serve pump. Running out of gas is still FAR too common, and I think if pilots were comfortable with how to fuel their own plane at any podunk little airport they came to this would be far less common.
* How to fly with non-pilot passengers: Giving a good briefing, making them comfortable and giving them some control (I always say "The whole point of this is for you to have fun. If at any point you stop having fun, let me know and we'll land."), flying smoothly, explaining things at the right level for them, etc.
* Related to the above: How to fly with kids
* Taking good care of your/club/rental airplanes: Leave the rotating beacon switched on, how to properly tie down, when to use engine heaters, tons of different stuff here.
* Regulations - I'll cover more on that below
* Good habits for flying bigger/faster planes: Descent and arrival planning, checklists, engine management, etc. You can get away without good habits in a trainer, but most pilots want to fly higher/farther/faster later on so this can be motivation for developing the good habits even in the trainer.
* Courteous (to both other pilots and general public) flying: Minimizing noise, staying aware of prop blast, don't hog the courtesy car for a whole weekend or leave it with an empty tank, etc
* The dipstick trick for when you're trying to fill oil on a windy ramp and you don't have a funnel
* Expanding your skill set safely (only push one corner of the envelope at a time!) and when to seek additional instruction (acro, mountain, backcountry, etc)
* Anticipating difficult decisions and setting parameters in advance to remove external and internal pressures. For example, flying a flight with pax at the limits of range with a forecast for increasing headwinds, I set parameters the day before for "if at point A I'm below X gallons, I'm landing at airport 1 for fuel; if at point B I'm below Y gallons, I'm landing at airport 2 for fuel. Only if I have at least Z gallons at point B will I consider continuing to the destination."
* How to make plan A, B, and C in advance and then throw them all away in the air when necessary.
* How to travel safely for business and pleasure with GA: Leaving early and/or having a backup plan when schedules aren't flexible, how to plan a long trip including stops for fuel/food/RON etc, the 1000/100/10 rule for flying around weather,
* Best practices for autopilot usage

Plenty more possibilities. None of these need to be big, time-consuming things, but a short discussion is worthwhile and can also be done in a group setting.

A better understanding of how to look this up in the FARs, AIM, and other FAA documents instead of just sticking with what your CFI told you or "how we do it at our airport".
That's a good one! A few main concepts on the FARs would go a LONG way:
* Where to find things in the FARs: If it matters who's flying it's 61, if it doesn't matter who's flying it's 91.
* How to find out whether a reg applies to you (Applicability)
* Where to look for "or" and "and", and the difference between "shall" and "may"
* Finding definitions
* Searching chief counsel interpretations
* Things that will be found in 49 CFR instead of 14 CFR

If I were a CFI I'd probably ask the students to also look up 5 actual fatal VFR into IMC cases, read the NTSBs, dig up the historical relevant METARs/TAFs and explain what likely went wrong.
Kind of like what we do in our Aviation Mishap board. All in an attempt to try and make things a little more concrete about the cost of being over confident or ignorant.
Something like that to drive home the idea that it's not just things that happen to other people.
To study accident reports, including generating concise & correct takeaways from each.
The big thing here is to get the point across that "pilot error" is not a root cause, and pilots aren't idiots, so WHY did that pilot make the error? Visualize yourself in that particular scenario, and maybe visualize some of the external pressures that might have been present that caused a smart pilot to make a stupid mistake.

Also, normalization of deviance and how "experience" isn't always the best guide for what's OK to do.

I also think if you don’t get real IMC during your PPL, you’re getting short-changed.
I'd say this is more applicable to instrument, though it can be very eye-opening. I've thought about this a bunch, and though I did get almost 3 hours of actual IMC during my private training, some types of people will look at the fact that they didn't lose control and think that they don't need to get an instrument rating. Depends on the student, of course.
 
@flyingcheesehead 1000 / 100
/ 10 rule?
Yeah, that's one I figured out on my own.

Essentially, if you're flying 1000 miles and you have to go 100 miles off course in the middle, it only adds 10 miles of distance to the trip. OK, it's 20 but the point is the orders of magnitude. GA flying can be extremely useful, and weather issues that aren't at the ends of the trip are easily avoided.
 
I would have liked to experience how the airplane handled at gross weight on a warm day. I could talk about performance all day long, but the first time I took a Warrior up at gross on a warm day was a huge eye opener.
 
One of the hardest things to learn, and the most important, is when to give up. Reminded of this by the crash that just happened near me on Saturday:


But it's FAR from unique. Twice I've put myself in situations that looking back, were very dangerous. Both times I had the thought "I should just land" well before things really went to ****. Once was vfr into imc much like the above crash. Then 5 years, an instrument rating, and 800 hours later i blundered into an area of fast moving thunderstorms.

I could easily come up with dozens of similar fatal crashes. The Saratoga my former club used to own was flown into the side of the mountains in NC. They "had to get home" and were trying to fly under the clouds at night. Lots of VFR pilots kill themselves pressing on into weather.

"Just a few more miles and it will clear up".

If you EVER have the thought "this is dangerous, I should land".....DO IT.
 
Man, reading through these post, a lot of you had **** CFI's. My first CFI covered probably 90% of the suggestions in this thread before I took my checkride.

Flying at gross was lesson #2 or #3. (CFI switch and 3 of us packed into the PA28-140)

I think fueling the plane was probably lesson #4.
We returned them empty because you didn't know W&B requirements of the next person was.

Flying different planes. I flew a PA28, 152, and 172 in primary. XC's in both of the latter two.

My CFI never talked to ATC after our first trip to a Delta. If I wanted to leave the pattern and go a C/D, I had to be the one on the radio.

Diversions, diversions, diversions.

Putting ballast in the baggage area of 172 to feel CG shift.

My CFI was also the school's A&P. I got hammered on taking care of the plane. He also would put little "gotchas" on the plane during preflight, to make sure I actually did the preflight. Due to that, I ended up catching things that weren't previously caught later on. Also had me help turn a wrench or two when I wanted. (Don't let the FAA know a student non-owner pilot helped with an oil change!)

"The plane isn't done flying until it is tied down." Tying down was covered in the first handful of lessons.

No electrical night landings. Electrical/switches/transmitters/receivers can fail. What if you can't get the runway lights on?
One night, we did landings with runway and landing lights. Landing light, no runway lights. Runway lights, no landing light. No runway or landing lights.
Later on when I was a CFI, actually had real world scenario come up with student. Couldn't get runway lights on. Already had that in the back pocket.
Also handy at Gaston's and 6Y9.

When we went to other airports on XC we left the airport grounds. Learned the codes to get back in and where to find them. There's also places to eat near other airports!

TRACON/Tower tour. Tower also fired the light gun at our group while we were on the ramp. So we got to see that in action.

We played stump the chump routinely with the FARs. Get asked some obscure FAR question that would make me go through it page by page to find it.
Some didn't apply. Why didn't they apply.
Kinda why that logging flow chart is 18 year old now.
Did the same to me with the POH.

Fly the plane without the yoke. Never know when something might break/jam up.

Landings at all (or lack of) flap settings. Crosswinds beyond demonstrated. Demonstrated isn't a limitation, and why it's not against the POH.

There's more, I just can't remember every thing from 20+ years ago.

I try to pass these lessons and others on when I instruct.
 
I also think if you don’t get real IMC during your PPL, you’re getting short-changed.
I’d also teach it using the airplane’s stability as the major driver rather than extremely perishable pilot skills.

I’d also do some “low VFR” training…what it really looks like, how to keep track of whether or not it’s deteriorating, and how to make the decision to land.
 
I also think if you don’t get real IMC during your PPL, you’re getting short-changed.

Ha. Here in Phoenix there are many, many Instrument Rated pilots that have never flown in a cloud. There aren’t that many cloudy days, and the clouds that do form will potentially rip the wings off of your plane.

I agree with your post though. It would be great experience for every GA pilot, IR or not.


Adding to the beneficial procedures that aren’t typically taught to PPL students, I would add an off airport landing (landing on an unpaved airstrip as practice). It sucks that the first landing on any unpaved surface is often done as an emergency procedure.
 
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A better understanding of carb ice and the conditions that cause it.
 
I would add an off airport landing (landing on an unpaved airstrip as practice). It sucks that the first landing on any unpaved surface is often done as an emergency procedure.
I think most flight schools prohibit landings on unpaved surfaces. Heck, if you check the paperwork, most clubs and schools prohibit operations on unpaved surfaces. Implying that if I park on dirt, gravel, or grass, I would only use the towbar .
 
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