BigBadLou
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Last Saturday was not the first time this happened but it happened twice on the same day and it is starting to make me wonder how many lying yahoos are flying out there possibly causing trouble.
Scenario 1: I am a few feet below a deck on an IFR flight plan, ATC calls up a VFR airplane, gives them my position and the pilot immediately replies "in sight". Then ATC calls me and gives me the position of the other airplane that is 500ft above me, 11 o'clock, opposite direction. I immediately reply without thinking "negative contact, I am right below a solid deck". ATC thanks me and then I wonder whether I inadvertently outed a liar on frequency but then stop worrying about it. Not my problem right now, he's not that close to me to cause a problem.
Scenario 2: flying in a solid thick cloud layer, ATC issues me a traffic advisory for a VFR aircraft at 11 o'clock, 4 miles, same altitude, heading toward me with a note "he's not talking to me, maintain visual separation". I wonder about my IFR altitude and his IFR altitude if he's not talking to ATC, especially in clouds. With a concern in my voice, I report "unable, I am in solid IMC". I get an immediate descent (we are nearing destination anyway) which put me out of his proximity.
So why do pilots lie and cheat like this? Do they not realize that they are putting their lives on the line? I know that the airspace is big and collisions are not that frequent but c'mon, blind in the clouds?
I am definitely thankful for ATC having to guarantee separation for IFR traffic because had that not been the case, I would not have gotten a call and a descent. (in the second case)
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Scenario 1: I am a few feet below a deck on an IFR flight plan, ATC calls up a VFR airplane, gives them my position and the pilot immediately replies "in sight". Then ATC calls me and gives me the position of the other airplane that is 500ft above me, 11 o'clock, opposite direction. I immediately reply without thinking "negative contact, I am right below a solid deck". ATC thanks me and then I wonder whether I inadvertently outed a liar on frequency but then stop worrying about it. Not my problem right now, he's not that close to me to cause a problem.
Scenario 2: flying in a solid thick cloud layer, ATC issues me a traffic advisory for a VFR aircraft at 11 o'clock, 4 miles, same altitude, heading toward me with a note "he's not talking to me, maintain visual separation". I wonder about my IFR altitude and his IFR altitude if he's not talking to ATC, especially in clouds. With a concern in my voice, I report "unable, I am in solid IMC". I get an immediate descent (we are nearing destination anyway) which put me out of his proximity.
So why do pilots lie and cheat like this? Do they not realize that they are putting their lives on the line? I know that the airspace is big and collisions are not that frequent but c'mon, blind in the clouds?
I am definitely thankful for ATC having to guarantee separation for IFR traffic because had that not been the case, I would not have gotten a call and a descent. (in the second case)
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