Cleared to (NOT) Destination?

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I fly IFR almost exclusively now and wondering if you are ever cleared to anything other than your destination.

I was never a C.R.A.F.T. guy and moreso now.

9 times out of 10, this is the clearance I copy. the other 1 time, its RH, RV, or a couple fixes.

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I got curious about the "C" in craft. I have never gotten a clearance that wasn't to my destination airport.
I always write the destination airport under my flight number then add "as filed", "radar vectors", "Rwy Hdg", etc
Does it ever happen that you would be cleared to something other than the destination airport? And what scenario?

Just curious.

Thx.
 
I fly IFR almost exclusively now and wondering if you are ever cleared to anything other than your destination.

I was never a C.R.A.F.T. guy and moreso now.

9 times out of 10, this is the clearance I copy. the other 1 time, its RH, RV, or a couple fixes.

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I got curious about the "C" in craft. I have never gotten a clearance that wasn't to my destination airport.
I always write the destination airport under my flight number then add "as filed", "radar vectors", "Rwy Hdg", etc
Does it ever happen that you would be cleared to something other than the destination airport? And what scenario?

Just curious.

Thx.
Sure, it can happen. It is a rather rare event in 2026.

AIM 4-4-3. Clearance Items

ATC clearances normally contain the following:

a. Clearance Limit. The traffic clearance issued prior to departure will normally authorize flight to the airport of intended landing. Many airports and associated NAVAIDs are collocated with the same name and/or identifier, so care should be exercised to ensure a clear understanding of the clearance limit. When the clearance limit is the airport of intended landing, the clearance should contain the airport name followed by the word “airport.” Under certain conditions, a clearance limit may be a NAVAID or other fix. When the clearance limit is a NAVAID, intersection, or waypoint and the type is known, the clearance should contain type. Under certain conditions, at some locations a short-range clearance procedure is utilized whereby a clearance is issued to a fix within or just outside of the terminal area and pilots are advised of the frequency on which they will receive the long-range clearance direct from the center controller.
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4-4-8. IFR Clearance VFR-on-top

a. A pilot on an IFR flight plan operating in VFR weather conditions, may request VFR-on-top in lieu of an assigned altitude. This permits a pilot to select an altitude or flight level of their choice (subject to any ATC restrictions.)

b. Pilots desiring to climb through a cloud, haze, smoke, or other meteorological formation and then either cancel their IFR flight plan or operate VFR-on-top may request a climb to VFR-on-top. The ATC authorization must contain either a top report or a statement that no top report is available, and a request to report reaching VFR-on-top. Additionally, the ATC authorization may contain a clearance limit, routing and an alternative clearance if VFR-on-top is not reached by a specified altitude.​
 
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Just me, as a computer guy that flies for fun, I see CRAFT as kinda like a simple data packet. The C part is kinda the same as a TCP header that says "yeah, I'm an IP packet", when it's always an IP packet. Or the start bit. Then there's the RAF part, and there's a transponder code instead of a checksum. It is one of those things that lets the clearance guy and me know we're on the same page and at beginning of the conversation.

Or in Sesame Street speak, Clearance is "once upon a time", the middle part is all the stuff, and the code is "happily ever after".

I kinda hate mnemonics, and think that's about the only one I use. Unless you count "Gear down, Undercarriage check, Make sure the gear is down, Put the gear down, are you Sure the gear is down" as a mnemonic.
 
CRAFT just reflects the standard order in which a clearance is given. A relatively helpful learning tool at the beginning. Nothing magical. One of maybe three mnemonics actually useful for learning. No reason to write the letters once you are used to the sequence. What you wrote is still CRAFT - just without the letters. I gave up the letters too. Decades ago.

The only silly thing to me about CRAFT is preprinted CRAFT forms. They usually give equal space to all five clearance elements, as though every clearance is “as filed.” IIRC, there’s a video on YouTube where the pilot gets a full route clearance and ends up writing it around the ForeFlight form margins.

Initial clearance short of the destination? Theoretically possible, but I suspect it’s mostly a remnant of non-radar environments.
 
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I have been cleared to a VOR, but that's what I filed to, so I suppose that's still destination.

I don't actually write the craft letters, but I do find out to be a helpful mnemonic to remember what order I'm going to hear it. I find it most helpful to write down what I'm expecting to hear and then note any changes. I'm certain it helps ATC if you read it back in that order. You ought to try reading it in random order some time to see if it flusters them.

PTAC is the other one I find useful... again anticipating what I'm about to hear makes it easier to read it back, although I'm usually too busy to write anything down at that point.
 
I was cleared once "as filed". After takeoff I started on my route GPS direct destination. Shortly thereafter I got a call from ATC asking if I was going away from my destination as a vector for climb. Somehow they had a different destination than I had filed. It was a long time ago; I don't remember the method I used to file.
 
Popular for military IFR - VFR composites. I’ve issued clearances on a stereo flight plan that takes them to a radial / DME. This is generally to SUA (warning area) at which a point begins prior to entering the SUA and then with a VFR delay. Could also be a point on an MTR VR route. They’ll have a second flight plan that comes up at a preplanned time. They’ll pop up off the VR route, contact the local approach and pick up their IFR or in the case of like a warning area, the off shore controlling agency (FACSFAC) will issue it. Also done VFR on top clearances for helicopters going to a navaid / waypoint prior to entering a restricted area.

So yeah. The military side uses clearances to points other than their destination quite often.
 
I was cleared once "as filed". After takeoff I started on my route GPS direct destination. Shortly thereafter I got a call from ATC asking if I was going away from my destination as a vector for climb. Somehow they had a different destination than I had filed. It was a long time ago; I don't remember the method I used to file.
We were just joking at my flight school that "as filed" meant "via radar vectors" ... or, worse, an alphabet soup of waypoints.
 
Yes, cleared to the first fix departing my uncontrolled home airport. When I established radar contact, I received clearance all the way to my destination.
 
I fly IFR almost exclusively now and wondering if you are ever cleared to anything other than your destination.

I was never a C.R.A.F.T. guy and moreso now.

9 times out of 10, this is the clearance I copy. the other 1 time, its RH, RV, or a couple fixes.

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I got curious about the "C" in craft. I have never gotten a clearance that wasn't to my destination airport.
I always write the destination airport under my flight number then add "as filed", "radar vectors", "Rwy Hdg", etc
Does it ever happen that you would be cleared to something other than the destination airport? And what scenario?

Just curious.

Thx.
Many times. Mostly when I wanted a climb to get on top and cancel. I have been cleared ‘short’ when not intending to cancel but that was many years ago when there still many Non Radar Approach Controls. I think it is pretty rare nowadays.

EDIT: Well gee, I coulda just read on before replying.
 
In the older days if going oceanic you might be cleared to the first oceanic fix, and would get the rest of the clearance from them. It as usually as filed from there on, but sometimes it would change.
 
Yes, cleared to the first fix departing my uncontrolled home airport. When I established radar contact, I received clearance all the way to my destination.
Same. Maybe that's the only place it gets commonly used anymore. For me it's uncontrolled and also no radar coverage due to terrain.
 
If you don’t get cleared to your destination, make sure you get an expected further clearance time and route - in case of loss of communications…
 
You hear this a lot with Miami Oceanic in the Caribbean for flights heading to destinations in either Turks and Caicos or the Dominican Republic (can't remember which at the moment). Miami tells them, "Cleared to [fix], [fix] is your clearance limite, expect no delay." They'll later hand you off five to ten minutes before reaching the clearance limit and the local ATC facility will give you further clearance prior to reaching the clearance limit.
 
If you don’t get cleared to your destination, make sure you get an expected further clearance time and route - in case of loss of communications…
You may not get that right away if you are more than 5 minutes from the Fix. Here are ATC's rules on this;

4. When delay is expected, issue items in subparagraphs a and b at least 5 minutes before the aircraft is
estimated to reach the clearance limit. If the traffic situation requires holding an aircraft that is less than 5 minutes
from the holding fix, issue these items immediately.
NOTE−
1. The AIM indicates that pilots should start speed reduction when 3 minutes or less from the holding fix. The additional
2 minutes contained in the 5-minute requirement are necessary to compensate for different pilot/controller ETAS at the
holding fix, minor differences in clock times, and provision for sufficient planning and reaction times.
2. When holding is necessary, the phrase “delay indefinite” should be used when an accurate estimate of the delay time
and the reason for the delay cannot immediately be determined; i.e., disabled aircraft on the runway, terminal or center
sector saturation, weather below landing minimums, etc. In any event, every attempt should be made to provide the pilot
with the best possible estimate of his/her delay time and the reason for the delay. Controllers/supervisors should consult,
as appropriate, with personnel (other sectors, weather forecasters, the airport management, other facilities, etc.) who can
best provide this information.
PHRASEOLOGY−
DELAY INDEFINITE, (reason if known), EXPECT FURTHER CLEARANCE (time). (After determining the reason for the delay, advise the pilot as soon as possible.)
EXAMPLE−
“Cleared to Drewe, hold west, as published, expect further clearance via direct Sidney V−O−R one three one five, anticipate additional two zero minute delay at Woody.”
“Cleared to Aston, hold west on Victor two twenty-five, seven mile leg, left turns, expect further clearance one niner two zero, anticipate additional one five minute terminal delay.”
“Cleared to Wayne, no delay expected.”
“Cleared to Wally, hold north, as published, delay indefinite, snow removal in progress, expect further clearance one one three zero.”
4−6−2. CLEARANCE BEYOND FIX
a. If no delay is expected, issue a clearance beyond the clearance limit as soon as possible and, whenever possible, at least 5 minutes before the aircraft reaches the fix.
b. Include the following items when issuing clearance beyond a clearance limit:
1. Clearance limit or approach clearance.
2. Route of flight. Specify one of the following:
(a) Complete details of the route (airway, route, course, fix(es), azimuth course, heading, arc, or vector.)
(b) The phrase “via last routing cleared.” Use this phrase only when the most recently issued routing to the new clearance limit is valid and verbiage will be reduced.

PHRASEOLOGY−
VIA LAST ROUTING CLEARED.
 
It's pretty uncommon these days to ever (either on initial clearance or subsequently) have a clearance limit that's not the destination.
You could force one by filing a composite flight plan with IFR on the first part.
 
It's pretty uncommon these days to ever (either on initial clearance or subsequently) have a clearance limit that's not the destination.
You could force one by filing a composite flight plan with IFR on the first part.
Can't file a composite flight plan in the US, but you can file a VFR and an IFR flight plan in any order.
 
I fly IFR almost exclusively now and wondering if you are ever cleared to anything other than your destination.
Yep. I once stopped for fuel at KOXI Knox, IN for cheap-ish fuel on my way home from a long trip. I had filed IFR from KOXI-KUES via T265 to stay away from Chicago Approach, because trying to go through their airspace is nearly always going to result in a full route clearance that is longer than T265.

Upon calling for clearance, I got "You are cleared to the Knox VOR." That was the now-defunct VOR, right on the field. Took off, hit 400 feet, turned direct to the VOR, started the hold entry and after 30 seconds or so got cleared down the route.

I'm pretty sure God placed Chicago in the Midwest to give Midwest pilots a taste of east/west coast flying. :rofl:

I was never a C.R.A.F.T. guy and moreso now.

9 times out of 10, this is the clearance I copy. the other 1 time, its RH, RV, or a couple fixes.

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Bah! You spoiled airline guys. :D

FWIW, you still copied things down in CRAFT format pretty much.

In the non-121 world, I copy it very similar to how you do, with a couple of exceptions:
* For the altitudes, I would do: 3 240 @ 10 because once in a great while it's not 10 minutes. I just got a 5-minute "expect" within the last week, though I can't remember where it was.
* I often get a full-route clearance or at least some extra fixes, because we use garbage software that files weird routes and altitudes, and we fly uncommon airport pairs. I actually pull up both the filed route and punch our flight number into ForeFlight and pull up "Scheduled Flights" (which comes via FlightAware) because 99% of the time, what we get through ForeFlight/FlightAware will be what we're cleared for, and frankly it's probably less than 50% using our official software with the filed route. When I get "I have a full route clearance for you, advise ready to copy" I'll often reply with "Ready to copy, but is it SUMME WYRRD WRRDS SPELD FUNNE?" That at least saves everyone the time spent with all the phonetic spellings.
* And, of course, in the non-121 world we also have to deal with uncontrolled fields, so I'll often have "HFR" at the end of the clearance, or if it's a really sleepy place, they might just give us a void time before we even start engines.

PTAC is the other one I find useful... again anticipating what I'm about to hear makes it easier to read it back, although I'm usually too busy to write anything down at that point.
Hmmm... I had to look that one up. Position, Turn, Altitude, Clearance. The stuff they give you on an approach clearance.

that was many years ago when there still many Non Radar Approach Controls. I think it is pretty rare nowadays.
There are no more non-radar approach controls. The last one was Helena, MT which got radar just 3-4 years ago. I flew through there IFR in 2021 and it was WEIRD.
 
Yep. I once stopped for fuel at KOXI Knox, IN for cheap-ish fuel on my way home from a long trip. I had filed IFR from KOXI-KUES via T265 to stay away from Chicago Approach, because trying to go through their airspace is nearly always going to result in a full route clearance that is longer than T265.

Upon calling for clearance, I got "You are cleared to the Knox VOR." That was the now-defunct VOR, right on the field. Took off, hit 400 feet, turned direct to the VOR, started the hold entry and after 30 seconds or so got cleared down the route.

I'm pretty sure God placed Chicago in the Midwest to give Midwest pilots a taste of east/west coast flying. :rofl:


Bah! You spoiled airline guys. :D

FWIW, you still copied things down in CRAFT format pretty much.

In the non-121 world, I copy it very similar to how you do, with a couple of exceptions:
* For the altitudes, I would do: 3 240 @ 10 because once in a great while it's not 10 minutes. I just got a 5-minute "expect" within the last week, though I can't remember where it was.
* I often get a full-route clearance or at least some extra fixes, because we use garbage software that files weird routes and altitudes, and we fly uncommon airport pairs. I actually pull up both the filed route and punch our flight number into ForeFlight and pull up "Scheduled Flights" (which comes via FlightAware) because 99% of the time, what we get through ForeFlight/FlightAware will be what we're cleared for, and frankly it's probably less than 50% using our official software with the filed route. When I get "I have a full route clearance for you, advise ready to copy" I'll often reply with "Ready to copy, but is it SUMME WYRRD WRRDS SPELD FUNNE?" That at least saves everyone the time spent with all the phonetic spellings.
* And, of course, in the non-121 world we also have to deal with uncontrolled fields, so I'll often have "HFR" at the end of the clearance, or if it's a really sleepy place, they might just give us a void time before we even start engines.


Hmmm... I had to look that one up. Position, Turn, Altitude, Clearance. The stuff they give you on an approach clearance.


There are no more non-radar approach controls. The last one was Helena, MT which got radar just 3-4 years ago. I flew through there IFR in 2021 and it was WEIRD.
Helena was still a Non Radar Approach Tower as of about six months ago. I verified that by talking to them on the phone. The A/FD does show it as a Radar Facility, but that is wrong. Twin Falls Idaho is the other one, but I haven’t verified that recently.
 
Helena was still a Non Radar Approach Tower as of about six months ago. I verified that by talking to them on the phone. The A/FD does show it as a Radar Facility, but that is wrong. Twin Falls Idaho is the other one, but I haven’t verified that recently.
Interesting - I had just looked into it a couple of weeks ago because it appeared that there weren't any non-radars any more, and I thought it was 2023-4 that they got their radar, but maybe it was 2026! They do have it now though AFAICT. As does Twin Falls, who was the other holdout.
 
Flying from ATL, I've never had a clearance that wasn't the final destination.

BTW - I use this template in my A5 notebook on the knee board. I fill out what I can on the ground matching the "expected" I get back after filing, part of on the ground pre planning. In the air, it's handy to keep up with the controllers I switch to, their freqs, altimeter settings, etc.

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Interesting - I had just looked into it a couple of weeks ago because it appeared that there weren't any non-radars any more, and I thought it was 2023-4 that they got their radar, but maybe it was 2026! They do have it now though AFAICT. As does Twin Falls, who was the other holdout.
How was it that you looked into it? Any references
 
CRAFT just reflects the standard order in which a clearance is given. A relatively helpful learning tool at the beginning. Nothing magical. One of maybe three mnemonics actually useful for learning. No reason to write the letters once you are used to the sequence. What you wrote is still CRAFT - just without the letters. I gave up the letters too. Decades ago.

The only silly thing to me about CRAFT is preprinted CRAFT forms. They usually give equal space to all five clearance elements, as though every clearance is “as filed.” IIRC, there’s a video on YouTube where the pilot gets a full route clearance and ends up writing it around the ForeFlight form margins.

Initial clearance short of the destination? Theoretically possible, but I suspect it’s mostly a remnant of non-radar environments.

One thing that amuses me is when a pilot has the CRAFT all nicely laid out on paper, and as soon as the controller starts saying "N1234 you are cleared to Timbuktu airport...." he gets busy writing down N1234 and then the Timbuktu airport name. By this time the controller is far ahead with other important things like routes and squawk codes, all of which the pilot will miss. I tell them to write down the destination ahead of time and put a checkmark when the controller says it, or don't write it at all. Having the clearance sheet prefilled saves a lot of time.

The only time in 25 years I got a clearance that wasn't the destination was when I had filed to an uncontrolled airport in Canada, and the US controller cleared me to a nearby VOR.
 
I still use CRAFT. I pre-populate C with destination, A with a __ X ___ in ___ and F. Lets me focus on R if it's going to be complex. I could probably not bother anymore as I've done it enough for it to be routine, but it works for me.
 
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Well, I looked at the A/FD but I wasn't sure so I asked a bunch of controllers in a Facebook group. Highly reliable source. ;) :rofl:
lol. How many controllers does it take to change a light bulb? One to screw it in and nine to tell him how he should have done it differently.
 
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According to the instrument written I just took, an abbreviated clearance always includes the filed destination airport... So I don't think so.
 
According to the instrument written I just took, an abbreviated clearance always includes the filed destination airport... So I don't think so.
An abbreviated clearance is what Cleared as Filed is. So of course it will include the destination airport if that was filed. That doesn’t mean you can’t be cleared short for some reason. If so, an abbreviated clearance will not be issued.
 
lol. How many controllers does it take to change a light bulb? One to screw it in and nine to tell him how he should have done it differently.
Ultimately, people tend to think locally but apply it universally. If you don’t see it where you are, it doesn’t exist.
 
That ….. was insane. Whatever section of the country that was I’ll fly around or drive lol.
 
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That ….. was insane. Whatever section off the country that was I’ll fly around or drive lol.
Northeast corridor. The odd part is, while I was not heading into the flight levels, I recognized the early part of the clearance, up to SIE, as pretty standard. I wondered what the Phenom had filed to generate a full route clearance like that. Maybe just figured, "We'll file direct and see what we get"?
 
That ….. was insane. Whatever section of the country that was I’ll fly around or drive lol.
Northeast. I just flew over SARDI a week ago. :rofl:

And yeah, flying around up there is a real pain sometimes. Lower altitudes, long clearances, always on routing, often rerouted, busy airports with high fees.
 
And yeah, flying around up there is a real pain sometimes. Lower altitudes, long clearances, always on routing, often rerouted, busy airports with high fees.
Fun fact. I had no reroutes on that flight. But it was only to PHL. Small sample, but I’ve found Raleigh area up past DC as filed with no amendments. Further northeast into NJ/NY, different story.

It’s like Potomac actually uses the T routes supposedly designed for that airspace.
 
Maybe just figured, "We'll file direct and see what we get"?
Yeah, that was me as a newly-minted instrument pilot. "31 obstacle departure, then as filed". I got as far as Approach1->Center1->Center2 and as I was nearing the Approach2 boundary, Center2 came back with the "I have a re-route for you" followed shortly by the laundry list.

So I first heard about the "CRAFT" thing here on PoA back before I started IFR training. However, I always understood it in the context of what to expect and not 5 letters I need to write plus 5 boxes that I need to draw. Frankly, I'm surprised that people actually do that.
 
I realize it's silly, but I actually write "CRAFT" on my kneeboard before calling for clearance, sort of as a ritual. I rarely manage to actually write my clearance info adjacent to the correct letter in the acronym so it's not like I'm actually using that for anything, but for whatever reason it feels like a necessary part of the process to me. Even *I* think it's weird....
 
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