Bird Strike at FL380??

An Endeavor Canadair CRJ-900 on Delta Airlines, registration N330PQ performing flight 9E-4071/DL-4071 from New York La Guardia,NY to Nashville,TN (USA), was enroute at FL380 about 110nm northeast of Charleston,WV (USA) when the crew decided to divert to Charleston reporting a cracked windshield as result of an earlier bird strike. The aircraft landed safely in Charleston about 25 minutes later.​
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I wonder how much earlier? Probably before 38,000'.

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I hear 37.... do I hear 36.... 36.... 36 and a half?
 
Endeavor is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta and only operates as Delta Connection on Delta routes. So..... Delta.
 
Forget delta ,what was the bird involved?
 
SkyDog58 said:
Endeavor is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta and only operates as Delta Connection on Delta routes. So..... Delta.
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Ahhhh.... No. It's not Delta.

So many now believe because the colors on the side say Delta...

Sigh
 
Kritchlow said:
Ahhhh.... No. It's not Delta.

So many now believe because the colors on the side say Delta...

Sigh
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Endeavor Air is an American regional airline that operates as Delta Connection for Delta Air Lines.[1] The airline was founded as Express Airlines I in 1985[2] and changed names to Pinnacle Airlines in 2002. In 2012, Pinnacle's parent company filed for chapter 11 reorganization, then emerged as a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines.[3][4] The name of the airline was changed to Endeavor Air on August 1, 2013.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavor_Air
 
My logic is:
If Company A owns Company B and
If Company A controls Company B and
If Company A has Company B conduct Company A's business and
If Company A has Company B use Company A's branding
Then Company A = Company B.

Plus having previously worked for 9E, I know how tightly DL controls them.
 
SkyDog58 said:
My logic is:
If Company A owns Company B and
If Company A controls Company B and
If Company A has Company B conduct Company A's business and
If Company A has Company B use Company A's branding
Then Company A = Company B.

Plus having previously worked for 9E, I know how tightly DL controls them.
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I don't disagree with your logic, but given this is an aviation message board, I think there's a desire to understand the situation a little more deeply than what an lay person might. It's kind of like a news article not making a distinction between a Cessna P210 and a 152. Almost everyone will see them as essentially the same airplane, while those on this board know them to be entirely different.

When I see an article involving an airplane from Delta, American, United, etc...I'll absolutely want to know whether they mean mainline or a regional partner. The parent company might be the same, but in the context of an incident or accident, you might as well be talking about two different companies.
 
Kritchlow said:
Ahhhh.... No. It's not Delta.

So many now believe because the colors on the side say Delta...

Sigh
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That's like saying AT&T Mobility isn't AT&T. It may be technically true in a legal sense, but in every way that matters to 99% of the population, they're the same. It's not a distinction worth getting wrapped around the axle about.
 
SkyDog58 said:
Endeavor is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta and only operates as Delta Connection on Delta routes. So..... Delta.
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tell that to the pilots flying them for 95% less than delta makes, a substandard contract and no chance of flow to mainline. yea, they are the same.....
 
unsafervguy said:
tell that to the pilots flying them for 95% less than delta makes, a substandard contract and no chance of flow to mainline. yea, they are the same.....
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Substandard contract? No chance of moving to mainline? You don't know jack**** about Endeavor, do you.
 
ircphoenix said:
Endeavor Air is an American regional airline that operates as Delta Connection for Delta Air Lines.[1] The airline was founded as Express Airlines I in 1985[2] and changed names to Pinnacle Airlines in 2002. In 2012, Pinnacle's parent company filed for chapter 11 reorganization, then emerged as a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines.[3][4] The name of the airline was changed to Endeavor Air on August 1, 2013.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavor_Air
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So in other words, it is as much Delta as Eagle was American.
 
Did the bird file a flight plan? I hope he wasn't VFR that high up because it will cost him his license.
My condolences to his feathery family if he did not survive. :(
 
This place is a trip. It's a thread about a bird vs plane at 38,000 ft, not about corporate organization, LOL. Still, I always learn something, that's why I keep coming back...I hope my post doesn't get us RE-derailed
 
ircphoenix said:
Endeavor Air is an American regional airline that operates as Delta Connection for Delta Air Lines.[1] The airline was founded as Express Airlines I in 1985[2] and changed names to Pinnacle Airlines in 2002. In 2012, Pinnacle's parent company filed for chapter 11 reorganization, then emerged as a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines.[3][4] The name of the airline was changed to Endeavor Air on August 1, 2013.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endeavor_Air
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Yeah.... Different management, different dispatch, different operating certificate. Ask the pilots if they work under the Delta ALPA contract.

Not Delta.
 
Lindberg said:
That's like saying AT&T Mobility isn't AT&T. It may be technically true in a legal sense, but in every way that matters to 99% of the population, they're the same. It's not a distinction worth getting wrapped around the axle about.
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Nah... That's like saying because the local 7-Eleven serves Starbucks coffee that it's a Starbucks.
 
Vf6cruiser said:
there are no bird strikes at 380...........
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Maybe so. However, just 100 feet below that altitude there was a bird strike a few years ago:


"The highest-flying bird ever recorded was a Ruppell's griffon, a vulture with a wingspan of about 10 feet; on November 29, 1975, a Ruppell's griffon was sucked into a jet engine 37,900 feet above the Ivory Coast--more than a mile and a half higher than the summit of Mount Everest.Nov 1, 2014
https://www.quora.com/How-high-can-birds-fly
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1976/how-high-can-birds-and-bees-fly​
 
Holy crap guys, there are some here who would argue with one of these.

stop_sign-600x600.jpg
 
The lettering on that sign looks like it may be one inch short of regulation. You can ignore it. It's the law.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Substandard contract? No chance of moving to mainline? You don't know jack**** about Endeavor, do you.
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87 an hour for a 12 year crj900 captain, 30 an hour for a fo, an interview at delta, that is not a flow agreement. endeavor's average pay rate is behind just about every other regional except the total bottom feeders. I know plenty about them.
 
unsafervguy said:
87 an hour for a 12 year crj900 captain, 30 an hour for a fo, an interview at delta, that is not a flow agreement. endeavor's average pay rate is behind just about every other regional except the total bottom feeders. I know plenty about them.
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A first year FO doesn't clear anything less than 50K. Find a single regional that pays more than that. You just aren't looking at total compensation.
 
They may have reported a bird strike but it may have been a simple case of an other ply failing on a windshield.
 
Regardless, envoy or endevour... Whatever it is, is NOT Delta. No way to spin that one. I know the guys like to pretend they fly for Delta, but... Nah....
 
Kritchlow said:
Nah... That's like saying because the local 7-Eleven serves Starbucks coffee that it's a Starbucks.
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Does Starbucks own 7-Eleven now? AT&T owns AT&T Mobility, but they have separate boards, separate management, and separate employees with separate union contracts. Yet to the whole world, they're the same company.
 
This is silly. I don't care how you spin it. Endeavor or Enviy or whatever IS NOT DELTA AIRLINES. it's a different operating certificate (the be all end all in 121 ops). Delta can buy Walmart, but that doesn't make Walmart casiers Delta pilots.
The only tie is a contract for services. Tomorrow Endevour or Envoy could make a deal with American and be be American commuters. They could do that even being owned by Delta.
 
Vf6cruiser said: ↑
there are no bird strikes at 380...........​
Maybe so. However, just 100 feet below that altitude there was a bird strike a few years ago:

So that last 100ft is the key........and no strikes 380 still stands............LOL.........we need a life
 
A bird strike at 38,000 feet would be pretty serious being that the bird would be frozen solid. Akin to hitting a rock I'd imagine.
 
Kritchlow said:
Yeah.... Different management, different dispatch, different operating certificate. Ask the pilots if they work under the Delta ALPA contract.

Not Delta.
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Ask Endeavor pilots if their check says "Delta Airlines..."
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
A first year FO doesn't clear anything less than 50K. Find a single regional that pays more than that. You just aren't looking at total compensation.
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Making the pay at Endeavor what it is, is what it is in order to keep the doors open at the joint.. The ship was/is sinking and the rats were headed other directions.
 
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