All traffic in the area, please advise

Same thing on the GTN 750 - See the bottom right corner of the map.

It's one of the more useful user fields available, since it gives you more than one piece of information.

The bottom right and top right are the ones I share with pax so they stop asking me how far away we are and when we're going to be there. :rofl:

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flyingcheesehead said:
Same thing on the GTN 750 - See the bottom right corner of the map.

It's one of the more useful user fields available, since it gives you more than one piece of information.

The bottom right and top right are the ones I share with pax so they stop asking me how far away we are and when we're going to be there. :rofl:

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You’re a north upper eh
 
Roller said:
You’re a north upper eh
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Better situational awareness, IMO... At least, if you've ever looked at a map. Sure, track up shows you weather "left" and "right" but the Great Lakes being all wonky, I can't tell where the heck I am on the map when it's track up.

And the last place I worked, north up was in the manual. :D
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Better situational awareness, IMO... At least, if you've ever looked at a map. Sure, track up shows you weather "left" and "right" but the Great Lakes being all wonky, I can't tell where the heck I am on the map when it's track up.

And the last place I worked, north up was in the manual. :D
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way back when, the B52 guys were north up. The low level F-111 guys were track up
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Better situational awareness, IMO... At least, if you've ever looked at a map. Sure, track up shows you weather "left" and "right" but the Great Lakes being all wonky, I can't tell where the heck I am on the map when it's track up.
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Bob Noel said:
way back when, the B52 guys were north up. The low level F-111 guys were track up
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I was thinking the same thing while reading @flyingcheesehead's post. North up to view the large scale situation over a generally familiar geography. Track up when you're down low with a smaller area in view, and what's directly in front of you is more immediately important than the large scale picture.

So for me that means north up for flight planning but track up when airborne, since I'm rarely much over 2000' AGL.
 
The GNX-375 pretty much does this automatically. Track-up when zoomed in, and automagically goes North-up when zoomed out (I don't recall, but I think at the 50nm scale). Obviously there's an option to lock it into either mode, but it's pretty slick and usually makes sense for what's important at the various scales.
 
In my early days in the Coast Guard I was always a Track/Head Up guy. When I was stationed on an 87' vessel our Master Chief was strongly in favor of North Up. He would always take the watch after me and would loudly give an annoyed sigh as he switched the radar back to his preference. Then, many years later when I was on one of our larger 210' cutters I learned to appreciate North Up. I saw many junior officers get confused when trying to decipher a navigation rules situation in Head Up. Nowadays, I prefer North Up...even in my car's maps and Apple/Google maps.
 
Thinking about this, it doesn't seem to matter to me. I remember track up on low-level routes in the Air Force, where we'd cut the charts along the lines of our course. But with paper, you had to read upside down sometimes. With the gps, I just adjust to whatever the display is. I can't remember bothering to change it.
 
midlifeflyer said:
But I don’t understand what that has to do with “last call,” a phrase, as far as I have been able to tell, that originated on YouTube.
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To me, "last call" just means you will not make any more transmissions. It doesn't mean you are not monitoring. It doesn't mean you are changing frequency. It just means you are not going to talk any more.
 
Back in my day, We tuned in the Unicom/multicom (it was not called CTAF then) as early as possible and LISTENED. If anyone was in the pattern, we would hear it and make the necessary calls accordingly.

If we needed info, either the Unicom operator would give us the wind, or someone in the pattern would describe the situation.

That's all. No yackity yack and no idiotic "last call."
 
IK04 said:
Back in my day, We tuned in the Unicom/multicom (it was not called CTAF then) as early as possible and LISTENED. If anyone was in the pattern, we would hear it and make the necessary calls accordingly.

If we needed info, either the Unicom operator would give us the wind, or someone in the pattern would describe the situation.

That's all. No yackity yack and no idiotic "last call."
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Of all the things I hear on the radio, “last call” is way down the list of idiotic things.
 
Pinecone said:
To me, "last call" just means you will not make any more transmissions. It doesn't mean you are not monitoring. It doesn't mean you are changing frequency. It just means you are not going to talk any more.
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I usually make a “last call” in the form of “departing airspace to the SE” and it does mean I am changing channels. I don’t see anything idiotic about it, incoming traffic monitoring the channel knows if we’re on a collision course.

I also make a early call when within 10 miles letting anyone know I will be approaching.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
I usually make a “last call” in the form of “departing airspace to the SE” and it does mean I am changing channels. I don’t see anything idiotic about it, incoming traffic monitoring the channel knows if we’re on a collision course.
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The discussion is not about “a” last call with position and intent information like you do. After all, if we say nothing after, “departing runway 5,” that’s “a” last call too. The discussion is about the use of the words “last call” to signify….?
 
iamtheari said:
For fun, say it but then remain on frequency so you can hear us mock you on the air. Our hypocrisy knows no bounds. :) At the end of the day, being the CTAF police is one of the few hills I’ve never even considered dying on.

ETA: I should mention that even on my grumpiest day I wouldn’t have policed “last call.” It’s the “tied down and going to get some fajitas across down, any traffic in the area please advise” crowd who would get thrown in jail.
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When in the right mood, if someone makes a "last call" call, I might say, on the air, a gin and tonic please. :D
 
Pinecone said:
When in the right mood, if someone makes a "last call" call, I might say, on the air, a gin and tonic please. :D
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As I mentioned earlier, I have been responding with "two Bud Lights" for several years now. But only when it's not too busy.
 
If you are using a map (EFB, glass panel, etc) it should be north up, because the earth (surface) is not moving, you are. If no map (traffic display, etc) then it should be track up.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
If you are using a map (EFB, glass panel, etc) it should be north up, because the earth (surface) is not moving, you are. If no map (traffic display, etc) then it should be track up.
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Sorry, but I'm not "with you" on that. The phrase "should be" has a special level of silliness in the context of personal preferences on north-up vs track-up. As if those who like to use Foreflight track up are in some way doing something wrong.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
If you are using a map (EFB, glass panel, etc) it should be north up, because the earth (surface) is not moving, you are. If no map (traffic display, etc) then it should be track up.
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Physics teaches up that no frame of reference is special, so it's just as valid to consider the airplane stationary and the earth moving under it. And even the Earth is moving around the Sun, and the Sun is moving around galaxy, and...
 
Dana said:
Physics teaches up that no frame of reference is special, so it's just as valid to consider the airplane stationary and the earth moving under it. And even the Earth is moving around the Sun, and the Sun is moving around galaxy, and...
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Not exactly, this is only true for non accelerated frames, if you’re accelerating (including up, down or turning) you can’t claim your stationary. In special relativity, the twins paradox illustrates that.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Sorry, but I'm not "with you" on that. The phrase "should be" has a special level of silliness in the context of personal preferences on north-up vs track-up. As if those who like to use Foreflight track up are in some way doing something wrong.
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This isn’t any arbitrary preference.
I gave a logical reason why north up with map view is the better than track up, (earth surface is stationary and map should reflect this).
Other than poor 2D awareness I can’t think of why track up is preferred.
 
MooneyDriver78 said:
Not exactly, this is only true for non accelerated frames, if you’re accelerating (including up, down or turning) you can’t claim your stationary.
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Anything traveling in a non-rectilinear path is undergoing acceleration, so you can't claim the earth (ground) is stationary :)

(North-up high, track-up low - and I have traffic on my map display so I guess both are wrong)

Nauga,
and some of the vectors
 
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MooneyDriver78 said:
This isn’t any arbitrary preference.
I gave a logical reason why north up with map view is the better than track up, (earth surface is stationary and map should reflect this).
Other than poor 2D awareness I can’t think of why track up is preferred.
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Because you are not everyone.
 
I'm also a North Upper. When I hold a sectional, I hold it the way its supposed to.

But, I have also trained myself to use track up, so either way is fine with me but prefer the standard method.
 
Depending on what I'm doing, sometimes I prefer track up, and sometimes I prefer north up.
 
Palmpilot said:
Depending on what I'm doing, sometimes I prefer track up, and sometimes I prefer north up.
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Obviously there's something wrong with you. With me too. I did track up with paper sectionals, north up with paper low enroute. I do track up with the 430, 650, and IFD 440. North up with with 530, 750, IFD 5x0, and G1000. If there’s any consistency, I think it might be small screen vs big screen, but with EFBs im pretty much north up whether tablet or phone.

Probably breaking some canon, but I’ve alway been irreligious,
 
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