Air-to-Air Mooney M20J

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  1. skier

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    Some of you may remember that last year I was (and still am) looking for people in and around Connecticut that would like photos of their aircraft. See my other thread for some ground-based shots. https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/free-photography.99146/

    Anyways, last weekend I got a chance to do my first air-to-air photo shoot of a beautiful M20J 205. The photoship was an experimental Bearhawk with the rear doors removed which gave me a great view of the subject. We held around 90 kts for the shoot which, while a bit slow for the Mooney, seemed to work well.

    The air was very smooth, but it was a hazy evening. We departed around 6:30pm and sunset here that day was slightly after 8:00pm. After taking off, we all realized that we may have jumped the gun a bit as it wasn't quite the evening light we were hoping for. No matter, we flew our plan and I got some good shots. It was a fun first try and I can't wait to give it another go!

    If anyone's curious, I used my Canon 6D with my 70-200mm lens with shutter priority set between 1/30 and 1/125. Most of the shots were taken out near 200mm.

    Below are my 2 favorite from the shoot.

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  2. eman1200

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    real nice!
     
  3. Pilawt

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    Very nice pix of a pretty airplane. :)

    Lookit all them inspection holes! :D
     
  4. kayoh190

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    Awesome! Love the belly shot.
     
  5. steingar

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    90 knots is slow for a Mooney. Last time I tried it I had to lower the gear.
     
  6. RyanB

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    Great shots!
     
  7. Lance F

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    As a Mooney fan all I can say is "great photos"!
     
  8. tspear

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    How does the gear help with lift?

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    Nice pics.

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  10. RyanB

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    Gear creates drag. The Mooney is a very clean airframe so he's saying that in order to fly at 90kts, he had to lower the gear. Not sure what you're thinking.
     
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    Yeah. I didn't want to reduce the engine power quite that much. That, and I was on approach to Oshkosh. Better to drop the gear early than forget it later.
     
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    @steingar @Ryanb

    That would never have occurred to me. why not back the power down? I was taught the engine recovers power faster then the gear raises.
    Now on a few planes, the gear can offer stability, but I did not think that applied to the Mooney.

    Tim
     
  13. eman1200

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    huh?
     
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    Higher performance airplanes are not as simple to slow down as just reducing engine power. Gear and flaps are needed to create drag. You can get away with slowing up on a dime in a 172, but slicker airplanes require a bit more time and planning to slow them down. Not entirely sure what you mean by "the engine recovers power faster then the gear raises." ??
     
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    You'd be at idle a looonnnggg time waiting for the speed to bleed down to 90 KIAS in an M20J with gear & flaps up. Now the one in the photos has speed brakes in the upper wing surfaces, which help a lot. Without 'em it's hard to even get down to flap speed (115 KIAS) without lowering the gear (132 KIAS) first.
     
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    I have about five hours total in a C172. My flying is basically all Cirrus SR20 and Aerostar 700. So I am used to fast, sleek planes.
    In terms of power recovery or drag reduction, I was responding to your comment that you would have kept more power in, and used the gear. I was taught when you get a plane slow; especially in the area of reverse command, that the engine will react faster then the gear or flaps. That is why, it is always taught power first on light piston twins.

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    With a little planning the Mooney could have approached the camera plane from a lower altitude and lost speed as it climbed with reduced power, probably pull power to 1500 RPMs. 90 is pretty close to best glide speed for a M20J.
    I'm going to assume the Mooney pilot wasn't an idiot and came screaming in from the same or higher altitude. Mooney pilots, particularly those who own M20Js, have been shown to have higher intelligence than average.
     
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    I do, too. I have a mooney but have never seen how tight everything is sealed up with gear retracted.
     
  19. DFH65

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    Obviously the first one is a photoshop. The belly of the airplane is WAY TO CLEAN. :)
     
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    Nice pictures
     
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    Nah, he used a special lens filter.

    It's called a .....





    oil filter.
     
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    Nice pictures!!
     
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    Nice pics! No way I could go below 1/60 and most of my air-to-air shots are 1/80.
     
  24. skier

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    Both you guys are wrong. Mooney's are just so fast and so slick that nothing can stick to them.

    The pilot did use the speed brakes to help slow down as he approached.

    And he said with how slow we were going that the gear warning was sounding most of the flight.
     
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    Thanks! I spent a lot of time studying your shots to figure out what to do before this flight.
     
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    Well the tail number implies that it normally flies at 2KNots.
     
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    I agree with you. Two (essentially) windmilling props of a twin at idle are very effective speed brakes that can "go away" quick with application of throttle. For that matter, the (essentially) windmilling prop of a Mooney with the power pulled back (8" of manifold) and prop in fine pitch is pretty good as well. They slow down pretty well, although if you're expecting to decelerate like a 172 or Cherokee you'll be disappointed.
     
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    Also better looking than average. Humble, too.
     
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    The belly shot is definitely unique! I've had all my planes photographed air-to-air and not a single belly shot was taken.
     
  30. skier

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    Another shot from the flight for those interested.

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  31. archerguy

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    nice pic