You guys- I've got a jet

[AlphaMike]

That’s where I ran into someone similar to this. Telling other people how to fly. I called him on it, told him to worry about his own plane and stop telling others what to do and he responded that he’s an instructor, it’s his job.

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You should have asked him how much duel received you should put in your log book.

 

[MauleSkinner]

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You should have asked him how much duel received you should put in your log book.

That’s it...throw down the gauntlet!

 

[NordicDave]

Hearing someone else say they were over the river on a 45 for the runway really got my attention because I was also on the 45 to the runway and over the river.

Prompted a call from me to clarify the situation. Turns out they were significantly below me and flying a slow moving weight shift device so no conflict. But them saying how many minutes out really wouldn't have helped.

Small peeve of mine when pilots don’t state altitude approaching or entering CTAF airspace.

 

[luvflyin]

Small peeve of mine when pilots don’t state altitude approaching or entering CTAF airspace.

Big peeve of mine.

 

[AlphaMike]

That’s it...throw down the gauntlet!

dual. but! Sometimes you gotta take a stand! Duel at parking! Ma-no a Ma-no!

 

[eman1200]

I wish everybody would just state how many minutes out they were..

Telling me somebody is 10 miles to the south doesn't mean anything, am I supposed to start doing math?? Whether you are a Piper Cub or Citation X just state the time

Most of us who are aware of the majority of GA planes and their performance can easily figure out what 10 miles means and how it may impact your arrival (and theirs). It’s not difficult. It’s pretty obvious to me the difference between a cub and citation who’s 10 miles out.

 

[Witmo]

Most of us who are aware of the majority of GA planes and their performance can easily figure out what 10 miles means and how it may impact your arrival (and theirs). It’s not difficult. It’s pretty obvious to me the difference between a cub and citation who’s 10 miles out.

The Cub needs to call 5 miles out because my memory is too short to remember a Cub that called 10 miles out.

 

[Lindberg]

The Cub needs to call 5 miles out because my memory is too short to remember a Cub that called 10 miles out.

I was once cleared to land straight in from 7 miles out in a cub. The line of planes at the hold short line when I finally touched down......

 

[Fearless Tower]

I wish everybody would just state how many minutes out they were..

Telling me somebody is 10 miles to the south doesn't mean anything, am I supposed to start doing math?? Whether you are a Piper Cub or Citation X just state the time

The reason to give miles out is so people know where to look for you.

It’s a helluva lot better method than saying ‘I’m over the chicken coop’.....as if anyone other than old time locals knows where that is.

 

[jimhorner]

It’s a helluva lot better method than saying ‘I’m over the chicken coop’.....as if anyone other than old time locals knows where that is.

Yes!

My mechanic is based at the Santa Paula airport down in Southern California. So I fly down there at least once a year. The flight school there seems to think that proper radio procedure is to say something like "Blue and White Cesana over the " local landmark that out of towners are not familiar with.

Coming into that pattern is interesting. Lots of Something and white Cessnas over lots of unknown landmarks. What's wrong with using the tail number, distance, direction, and altitude?

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Palo Alto tower does this a lot as well in terms of using landmarks. Dumbarton Bridge, the train bridge, the Bird House, the Duck Pond, the Amphitheater. I imagine people not familar with the area are thinking "What?" when flying there.


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[Tantalum]

Yes!

My mechanic is based at the Santa Paula airport down in Southern California. So I fly down there at least once a year. The flight school there seems to think that proper radio procedure is to say something like "Blue and White Cesana over the " local landmark that out of towners are not familiar with.

Coming into that pattern is interesting. Lots of Something and white Cessnas over lots of unknown landmarks. What's wrong with using the tail number, distance, direction, and altitude?


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I made the mistake of entering Santa Paula my first time using the standard 10 Mile etc radio call outs and I was lambasted for it over the local radio.. if you go to the airport's website they have very strict entry requirements and use the local landmarks. I don't necessarily agree with it but they seem to have their own system

 

[luvflyin]

The reason to give miles out is so people know where to look for you.

It’s a helluva lot better method than saying ‘I’m over the chicken coop’.....as if anyone other than old time locals knows where that is.

If you are familiar with the local points, saying both is a nice touch. Like “5 miles west of the airport over the chicken coop.” The locals know exactly where you are and the strangers have a good idea about where. I do this, wish more did.

 

[Ghery]

I made the mistake of entering Santa Paula my first time using the standard 10 Mile etc radio call outs and I was lambasted for it over the local radio.. if you go to the airport's website they have very strict entry requirements and use the local landmarks. I don't necessarily agree with it but they seem to have their own system

I don't care what their website says. I care what is in the Chart Supplement (old A/FD). I'm not going to look up the website of every airport I might go to, and it isn't official information anyway. Heck, I even had a radio cop come on the air one time to tell me that straight in approaches weren't allowed at a particular non-towered airport. I asked him where that was posted in the A/FD and never heard another word from him. Call their bluff.

 

[Palmpilot]

Palo Alto tower does this a lot as well in terms of using landmarks. Dumbarton Bridge, the train bridge, the Bird House, the Duck Pond, the Amphitheater. I imagine people not familar with the area are thinking "What?" when flying there.

Being based there, I haven't thought about this, but of course you're right. On the other hand, I imagine something like "not familiar" would get the message across.

By the way, I've noticed that the controllers often (usually?) just say "the auto bridge" instead of the Dumbarton, which I imagine is obvious enough. On the other hand, one time when I was approaching from the northwest over the bay, they told me to fly over the end of the bridge without specifying which end.

 

[Z06_Mir]

Some people have never flown practice approaches out of “The Stack” at Casa Grande, and it shows.

I really want a patch that says “I survived the Stanfield Stack”.


I was in Bend last week in a turboprop. Granted, a Pilatus can do 85 knots down final or 160+ down final depending on what’s required for the situation. Yeah the place was busy but everyone was courteous and more than accommodating getting me in there in the middle of them doing pattern work. Wouldn’t have even thought twice about it being “too busy” until this video. Then again, I have survived Stanfield and every other airport in the Phoenix valley thus far so maybe my tolerance is abnormally high.

 

[wanttaja]

It’s a helluva lot better method than saying ‘I’m over the chicken coop’.....as if anyone other than old time locals knows where that is.

Yes, I've had that issue when flying to unfamiliar airports. Where the heck is "Island Crossing"????

But... I do it at my home field. A bit tough on the visitors, but the majority of the aircraft in the pattern are usually local. "Half mile final" is one thing, but "Over the Fred Meyer" probably points me out much quicker.

My home is right under the 45 for the airport, and many of the time I've been tempted to report "Over my house...."

Ron Wanttaja

 

[Half Fast]

My home is right under the 45 for the airport, and many of the time I've been tempted to report "Over my house...."

Ron Wanttaja

That only works if people know where you live, so you should be more explicit. “Over 1234 East Maple Avenue...”

 

[jimhorner]

I made the mistake of entering Santa Paula my first time using the standard 10 Mile etc radio call outs and I was lambasted for it over the local radio.. if you go to the airport's website they have very strict entry requirements and use the local landmarks. I don't necessarily agree with it but they seem to have their own system

I wouldn't classify what you did as a mistake. I'd say you used proper radio procedure.

 

[bflynn]

I made the mistake of entering Santa Paula my first time using the standard 10 Mile etc radio call outs and I was lambasted for it over the local radio.. if you go to the airport's website they have very strict entry requirements and use the local landmarks. I don't necessarily agree with it but they seem to have their own system

They can't make the use of local landmarks regulatory, that's about as bad a pilots using IFR checkpoints to report their position for VFR purposes. 90% of VFR pilots don't know what or where the IAF is. If someone yells at you for not doing it, just slip "unfamiliar" into your next transmission and tune them out.

What the airport can do is make a notam on how to enter the pattern, such as: ENTER PAT FM EXTDD DOWNWIND LEG OR ENTER FM A CROSSWIND LEG AT LEAST 1 MI BYD THE DEP END OF ACTIVE RWY.

This is weird though because the FAA doesn't regulate pattern entry. If the FAA declares they don't regulate something can an airport authority do it? No reason not to do what the NOTAM says though.

 

[iamtheari]

I really want a patch that says “I survived the Stanfield Stack”.

Found one:
https://www.cafepress.com/mf/18740407/survived-the-stack-at--fitted_tshirt?productId=123457922

 

[cmsuav8r]

Being based there, I haven't thought about this, but of course you're right. On the other hand, I imagine something like "not familiar" would get the message across.

By the way, I've noticed that the controllers often (usually?) just say "the auto bridge" instead of the Dumbarton, which I imagine is obvious enough. On the other hand, one time when I was approaching from the northwest over the bay, they told me to fly over the end of the bridge without specifying which end.

KAPA tower uses landmarks a lot too. They are always very courteous to those that say they are unfamiliar and will use other methods to direct the traffic. I had lived in the area for a decade and didn't recognize some of the landmarks when I started flying out there. I'm not sure how they expect people that aren't local to know what they are talking about.

 

[Domenick]

If you are familiar with the local points, saying both is a nice touch. Like “5 miles west of the airport over the chicken coop.” The locals know exactly where you are and the strangers have a good idea about where. I do this, wish more did.

After my first long cross-country (a long time ago) I started doing this at my home drome where the two most common reporting points are "Bend in the river", and "the landfill." It is even more confusing since over time the landfill has been built over into a neighborhood.

I am only 15 nm south of Arlington (AWO-The Arlington) and have flown past hundreds of times, and I still can't remember where the hell "Island Crossing" is.

Does Paine Field tower (PAE) still reference the "water towers?"

 

[luvflyin]

After my first long cross-country (a long time ago) I started doing this at my home drome where the two most common reporting points are "Bend in the river", and "the landfill." It is even more confusing since over time the landfill has been built over into a neighborhood.

I am only 15 nm south of Arlington (AWO-The Arlington) and have flown past hundreds of times, and I still can't remember where the hell "Island Crossing" is.

Does Paine Field tower (PAE) still reference the "water towers?"

I dunno. Only went there once and I don’t think it came up. My home drone Pearson, KVUO, is where it comes up with me mostly. I’ve used it elsewhere also.

 

[Mike Blackburn]

What an idiot. Sorry. But it seems like he was spotting traffic on his ADS-B and not using his eyes. There were only 3-4 aircraft in the pattern. This is basic airmanship. No excuses for this sort of behaviour. If you don’t like it, go to the closest controlled field

 

[TonyG]

Does Paine Field tower (PAE) still reference the "water towers?"

Haven't heard that in years. However, BFI still refers to the reservoir for arrivals/departures to the west -- the reservoir that was lidded about 20 years ago, and is now a park.

 

[Doug Reid]

We have jet traffic all the time at our uncontrolled airport...sometimes with two or three piston types in the pattern also...no big deal. Sounds like the jet jockey needs to learn how to fly in an uncontrolled field and allow for spacing using common sense.

I have to remember a Challenger is not always an ultralight..

 

[Palmpilot]

That only works if people know where you live, so you should be more explicit. “Over 1234 East Maple Avenue...”

For my house, it's really easy: it's within 0.2 miles of the FAF for my home airport!

 

[bflynn]

For my house, it's really easy: it's within 0.2 miles of the FAF for my home airport!

I can't find any point called "FAF" on my sectional. That doesn't sound easy at all.

 

[luvflyin]

That only works if people know where you live, so you should be more explicit. “Over 1234 East Maple Avenue...”

Lol. Reminds me of a story. Years ago when I was working at Burbank a C172 ran outta gas and couldn't quite make the airport. He was tryin for Van Nuys, KVNY. Landed in the middle of the City. At night. He was very lucky. The street he picked was fairly wide and the Utilities were under ground. There was a Sheriffs helicopter listening to the show and flew over there. After landing he gave us the address where the plane came to a stop. The supervisor called the incident into the Regional Duty Officer. He said that was weird, I've called in off airport landings before and it's always like a radial and a distance from a VOR or something like that. Seemed strange to give a Street Address. Ok, back to the pattern.

 

[fasteddie]

I'm just amazed.

How do you jump through all the hoops required to fly a Citation (time, experience, etc), only to be that clueless.

Wow.

 

[midwestpa24]

I'm just amazed.

How do you jump through all the hoops required to fly a Citation (time, experience, etc), only to be that clueless.

Wow.

The hoops aren't all that big. # of hours does not equal experience.

 

[WannFly]

I wonder what the dude will do if he ever come even close to grand forks during a weekday. There are 16 practice areas and at least some 30 planes flying around at any given point of time

 

[Kritchlow]

I'm just amazed.

How do you jump through all the hoops required to fly a Citation (time, experience, etc), only to be that clueless.
Wow.

I don’t think he was clueless, just felt entitled.

The hoops aren't all that big. # of hours does not equal experience.

Well the hoops of a type rating are no joke, but I agree not insurmountable by any stretch.

We can debate hours vs experience if you like, but probably in a different thread.

 

[Stan Cooper]

A male Karen.

 

[Palmpilot]

I can't find any point called "FAF" on my sectional. That doesn't sound easy at all.

True, not on the sectional. See my avatar.

 

[Tarheelpilot]

I'm just amazed.

How do you jump through all the hoops required to fly a Citation (time, experience, etc), only to be that clueless.

Wow.

They are really easy to fly. But everyone goes 250 below ten and the yoke comes out of the floor so it’s a “real” jet.

At one point in my life I thought jet pilots had their **** stacked but then I started flying jets and realized they are no different than general aviation. Some guys have it together and some guys don’t.

 

[DFH65]

Jet dude probably had a man bun and needs a safe space. I flew to breakfast Sunday morning to meet some friends. Guy calls in 10 miles North in a Centurion. I was about 8 mile NW in a 172. I pretty well knew he was going to beat me there. I did a few S turns for fun and saw him pass a few miles in front of me. I prefer to know where you are not when you are going to get there.

 

[denverpilot]

What a lovely side effect of ADS-B. Now some self-important jackass can pretend he’s a controller. Haha.

 

[Half Fast]

What a lovely side effect of ADS-B. Now some self-important jackass can pretend he’s a controller. Haha.

Sooner or later, someone will reply, “Unable.”

 

[MBDiagMan]

What the heck is wrong with those guys down there in the pattern? Don’t they know that they’re supposed to clear the pipers and Cessnas out of the pattern for the almighty jet driver?