What would you do?

Tom-D

Tom-D

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Here's the circumstances, twin bee was landed gear up 2005, and has sat unpreserved since then, 2005 I borescopped the IO-360- engines and they were corroded then, but usable. ASI from local FSDO, inspected the aircraft after the gear up, declared it pilot error, and pulled the AWC.
now a non A&P has got it started, and the owner is planing to fly it out.
your the last name in the logs, 2005.


what would you do?
 
Seems like YOU have a decision to make Chief. Why do you need others input?
 
What's your exposure? It sat for 11 or 12 years.
 
I have no idea Tom, if it was a P51D and the guy will sell it for 10k, I'll buy it.

A arrow with 7500tt selling for 20k, wouldn't touch it.

Not enough info here
 
With the low numbers of Twin Bees out there, I'm surprised that it went untouched for 11 years.
 
Why do you need to do anything? It's obviously out of annual and can't fly without a ferry permit. Do you see the FSDO granting a ferry permit without significant engine work being done first?

If you're really worried, say something to the new owner. If you're really ticked off, say something to the FSDO.
 
Tom...what liability do you share in this?

I gots none so I'd not say anything.
 
Seeing as how it was 11 years ago, the annual isn't current. Someone else would have had to sign off on it or(I assume) the FSDO has granted a ferry permit.... or it's being flown illegally.

I don't see how anything could be considered your fault... responsibility should fall on the PIC. If you think they may not know of the engine condition you could always just let them know but beyond that, in my mind it was 11 years ago and shouldn't be your problem.
 
Assuming you're worried about yourself, I likely wouldn't do anything if it were me. I think your liability is minimal in this case.

If you're worried about whomever is going to fly it out, I'd pull them aside and express your concerns.
 
cowman said:
Seeing as how it was 11 years ago, the annual isn't current. Someone else would have had to sign off on it or(I assume) the FSDO has granted a ferry permit.... or it's being flown illegally.
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Even if it is flown on a ferry permit it is going to need an inspection and signature from a mechanic stating it is safe for the ferry flight. So assuming there is a mechanic involved and a ferry permit I'd say they're going to be liable, not Tom.
 
Tom-D said:
Here's the circumstances, twin bee was landed gear up 2005, and has sat unpreserved since then, 2005 I borescopped the IO-360- engines and they were corroded then, but usable. ASI from local FSDO, inspected the aircraft after the gear up, declared it pilot error, and pulled the AWC.
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This is where your story falls apart. Why would the ASI "pull the AWC" on an aircraft that a pilot geared up? Unless he suspected a problem with the airworthiness of the aircraft before the gear up, he has no reason (or authority) to take the AWC.
 
Doc Holliday said:
This is where your story falls apart. Why would the ASI "pull the AWC" on an aircraft that a pilot geared up? Unless he suspected a problem with the airworthiness of the aircraft before the gear up, he has no reason (or authority) to take the AWC.
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Zactly....and it isn't going anywhere with a ferry permit without the Airworthiness docs.
 
If by "your last name in the logs, 2005" refers to you, how could you be liable for anything? That was logged during a current annual with a valid AW cert. I certainly can understand your concern and I'd talk it over with the owner if you feel it necessary.
 
I would do nothing.

A log entry from 11 years ago has no bearing on the current airworthiness of the aircraft. They won't get a ferry permit without an A&P and if they fly it out with illegal repairs and no permit, it's on them.
 
Can you get the owners address from the registration? That's a good start.

But... just like the guy that fixed my '84 Mercedes 380SL 11 years ago, you have no obligations today.
 
Tom-D said:
Here's the circumstances, twin bee was landed gear up 2005, and has sat unpreserved since then, 2005 I borescopped the IO-360- engines and they were corroded then, but usable. ASI from local FSDO, inspected the aircraft after the gear up, declared it pilot error, and pulled the AWC.
now a non A&P has got it started, and the owner is planing to fly it out.
your the last name in the logs, 2005.


what would you do?
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You've admitted to borescoping the engines and calling them usable... you're all in, Tom.
 
Gentle folks, I Am not worried about what I would do, just asking to see what your thoughts were.

The ASI at the time removed the AWC and gave a letter to the owner. -- I assumed that the letter was a --"call me when it was repaired" type thing.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
I would, (quite seriously) go back to reading my novel, sipping my wine.
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Pretty much where I am. I heard about it and decided "I'm outta here"

Yes,, it is all on them as for what happens next.
 
rolivi said:
Can you get the owners address from the registration? That's a good start.

But... just like the guy that fixed my '84 Mercedes 380SL 11 years ago, you have no obligations today.
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But would you turn the FAA on them?
 
Tom-D said:
The ASI at the time removed the AWC and gave a letter to the owner. -- I assumed that the letter was a --"call me when it was repaired" type thing.
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Again this is where your story falls apart. The ASI can't take the AWC and hold it hostage while the aircraft is being repaired.
 
Doc Holliday said:
Again this is where your story falls apart. The ASI can't take the AWC and hold it hostage while the aircraft is being repaired.
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To be fair, just because the ASI lacks the authority to take the AWC doesn't mean he didn't actually take it. FAA ASIs have been known to overstep their authority every now and then...
 
I would consult with my local AI to see what needs to be done to get it back to airworthy condition.
 
bradg33 said:
To be fair, just because the ASI lacks the authority to take the AWC doesn't mean he didn't actually take it. FAA ASIs have been known to overstep their authority every now and then...
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2005 Stood by and watched him remove it from the aircraft. This was during the FAA accident investigation after the gear up landing.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
I would consult with my local AI to see what needs to be done to get it back to airworthy condition.
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Neither of us IAs will have any thing to do with this mess or folks who are involved now. we both believe it will require 2 new engines and both props replaced prior to flight. plus the damage from the area up must be dealt with.
 
hotprops said:
tom alot of strange things happen around you in a short period of time:rolleyes: you are the gift that keeps on giving!
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Wow you call 11 years a short time. When you are the only working IA in the area you know what almost every one is doing.
 
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