What would you do?

Doc Holliday said:
Thanks for confirming what many have suspected here.
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What I suspect here:

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Doc Holliday said:
This is where your story falls apart. Why would the ASI "pull the AWC" on an aircraft that a pilot geared up? Unless he suspected a problem with the airworthiness of the aircraft before the gear up, he has no reason (or authority) to take the AWC.
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I missed this post,
I have no idea why the FAA does anything during a post accident investigation. I was not privy to the conversation between the owner or the pilot and the ASI.I was only there for maintenance support, as per the ASI's request. It was my equipment they were using to run the gear etc.
 
Tom-D said:
I missed this post,
I have no idea why the FAA does anything during a post accident investigation. I was not privy to the conversation between the owner or the pilot and the ASI.I was only there for maintenance support, as per the ASI's request. It was my equipment they were using to run the gear etc.
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Seems like the "new" guy has taken a likin' to ya, big feller.
 
Completely missed the twin Seabee part, a gear up in a amphib isn't that big of a deal normally, and a Seabee is a great plane, wonder why the airworthiness was yanked?

I would say this could be a plane worth brining back in the price is right, it's a high end enough plane and plenty tuff to not be too much of a job if it was just a gear up on it's keel and a little sitting.
 
Tom-D said:
Neither of us IAs will have any thing to do with this mess or folks who are involved now. we both believe it will require 2 new engines and both props replaced prior to flight. plus the damage from the area up must be dealt with.
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As Tom says neither of us IAs will have anything to do with this mess and I have ink in the logs form 15 year ago. It is also that we do not want to see someone we know make a smoking hole, we all have lost enough friends in smoking holes.
 
So what the heck happened to this thing?

I'm not a Seabee guy, but a gear up landing in most amphibs isn't even a FAA or NTSB worthy event, sure wouldn't warrant pulling the planes card, maybe if the props hit, but for a standard gear up, I'm having a hard time visualizing how that would even happen, I mean just jack the plane up, drop,the gear and touch the paint up on the keel, worse case new keel strip.

As for your responsibility, dude you signed it off WAAAY back when, don't think it means jack now.
 
From this thread : https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/gear-up-landing.573/

Tom-D said:
Many of you folks know that one of my long time customers owns 1 of the 12 UC3-Bs in the world. He has a hangar here at 76S that he keeps the Twin Bee. He asked me to get the "B" ready to ferry to Richland Wa. to be near his new home there. So Sunday night I finished the Annual, and packed the "B" with every thing that goes with it, and told the Ferry Pilot that it was ready.

The "B" has not been flown for over 2 years but the Ferry pilot was the last person to fly it, and was teaching in it when th owner allowed the annual to expire due to my not wanting to do the annual because students were flying it.

Tuesday the weather was clear, and the Ferry pilot wanted to get current in the "B" and do a PMCF (post maint. check flight) to see all is well before heading out across the Cascades.

First time around the pattern was to flex the gear, see all the horns and bells work, yep every thing work as advertized. Second stop and go went well until the landing. That is when he forgot to do the gear down and locked thingy. and on roll out the gear colapsed, grinding off what was left of the keel, you see he did this 2 years ago too.

It is common practice in the "B" to unlock the gear and have it in trail position in case you must go for the water in an emergency. the gear will not trip you up entering the water. it will just drag to the up position.

Here is the oddity of the "B" the doors open into the prop arc, so the cabin doors have a closed and locked green light to warn that a door is open.

It is located very close to the landing gear down and locked light, both have cat eye lenzes that you can close to stop the bright light in your eyes. both are green in the land on land mode, and one green and one red for the land on water mode.

If you close the Landing gear down and locked light cat eye, the door closed and lock light is green and can very easy be mistaken for the landing gear green land on land light.

As the "B" touched down the gear was not locked, it looked down, but it was not locked and it went to the trail position and allowed the aircraft to set down on its keel, and scrapped for about 250 feet before coming to a stop setting on a very flat keel.

It looks to me like about $40-$60k in damages to the hull.
NTSB and the FAA both were here today doing the investigation, and both agree that it was a gear up = pilot error.

The picture isn't very good, but shows the keel which should stick down about 1.5 inches.
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James331 said:
So what the heck happened to this thing?

I'm not a Seabee guy, but a gear up landing in most amphibs isn't even a FAA or NTSB worthy event, sure wouldn't warrant pulling the planes card, maybe if the props hit, but for a standard gear up, I'm having a hard time visualizing how that would even happen, I mean just jack the plane up, drop,the gear and touch the paint up on the keel, worse case new keel strip.

As for your responsibility, dude you signed it off WAAAY back when, don't think it means jack now.
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Would you notify the FAA that there is a great possibility of a smoking hole waiting to happen?

first thing I don't believe the FAA will issue the Special flight permit on any aircraft that does not have proper registration on file, this one's has expired. 2015
Secondly, with out a A&P to sign off on the special flight permits they won't be legal if they fly it. and there isn't any A&P here about that doesn't know the issues about this aircraft.

I free of any liability as is Brien and we're not getting back in the loop.

I'm simply curious as to how many folks here think some one should notify the FAA not to issue the ferry permit?
 
Tom-D said:
I'm simply curious as to how many folks here think some one should notify the FAA not to issue the ferry permit?
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What is to keep the owner from finding another A&P to apply to the FSDO for a ferry permit?

In this case, why would you be concerned what the owner is doing with his own property?
 
Doc Holliday said:
What is to keep the owner from finding another A&P to apply to the FSDO for a ferry permit?

In this case, why would you be concerned what the owner is doing with his own property?
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did you read what Brien wrote?
 
Tom-D said:
Would you notify the FAA that there is a great possibility of a smoking hole waiting to happen?

first thing I don't believe the FAA will issue the Special flight permit on any aircraft that does not have proper registration on file, this one's has expired. 2015
Secondly, with out a A&P to sign off on the special flight permits they won't be legal if they fly it. and there isn't any A&P here about that doesn't know the issues about this aircraft.

I free of any liability as is Brien and we're not getting back in the loop.

I'm simply curious as to how many folks here think some one should notify the FAA not to issue the ferry permit?
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You don't want to be into the loop....BS, this plane is none of your business and you're putting yourself into the loop on matters which are of zero concern to you.

As for proper registration, that's really don't that big of a deal.

Also your story of the damage doesn really add up, without a picture I have a hard time believing landing on its keel it did that much damage.

Again, if you don't want to be involved, don't involve yourself.



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I would give the current owner a Shout, if you can track them Down, express my concerns(if any, you seem content) and possibly see if it was being legally flown( I believe you may have mentioned that it may not be ) other than that, it's WAY beyond you man.
 
James331 said:
Also your story of the damage doesn really add up, without a picture I have a hard time believing landing on its keel it did that much damage.
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I'm still trying to figure out how it needs two props and engines ? unless they need it for a reason other than the gear up ?

but yea, what would I do ? continue drinking my coffee and minding my business. Can't stop people from winning Darwin awards... horse to water and all that.
 
Engines and props would be due to sitting for 11 years in a less than ideal environment.
 
James331 said:
You don't want to be into the loop....BS, this plane is none of your business and you're putting yourself into the loop on matters which are of zero concern to you.
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How does posting here place me in the liability loop now.
 
I don't see anyone suggesting I inform the FAA ? ?
 
Honestly I would inform the faa if you think that lives could be in potential danger. Dispite what people think, they actually are there to protect people's lives in cases just like this. Just because someone is not so bright, dosen't mean they deserve to be the next "Smoking hole"
 
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