Thoughts on landing C182 heavy

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  1. C182

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    Hi
    I will be 44 lbs under gross at TO but 33 lbs over landing weight on arrival.
    I'm thinking land long and soft.
    What are your thoughts?
     
  2. MIFlyer

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    Can't you burn off 8 gallons of fuel before you load for takeoff? Get to the airport before pax and practice patterns for 45 mins?


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  3. Jeff Oslick

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    Soft, yes. Why long? 1% overgross...well, that is a rounding error...
     
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    Why land long?
     
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    The stock answer is don't do it. Why? Because the airplane has legal limits. That said....

    Sink rate will be greater. Response to power will be delayed. Controls will feel sluggish so the subconscious adjustment is to maintain more speed. The thing to watch out for is the brakes won't be as effective as usual (weight and speed) so plan runway use accordingly.
     
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    Or just use the red knob to burn a little extra fuel during the flight. Doesn't sound like it would take much.
     
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    My first thought if this is your first high gross weight landing is to practice with an instructor and ballast to simulate it. Shouldn't take long, but learning how the plane behaves differently in that configuration would be cheap insurance.
     
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    LOL heavy C182! Where do you people come up with this stuff. First, you shouldn't be overweight (not you, the 182) at landing so adjust something to be legal. Second, land normally. All the speeds in the POH are designed for landing, whether you're at gross or not. Nothing will feel mushy, if you have experience flying a 182 normal procedures are fine. Just don't chop the power prior to touching down.
     
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  10. C182

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    Thanks everyone for the advice. This is my first time flying close to max weight, so I will go burn off some fuel before the flight and burn more during the flight.
     
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    Good idea
     
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    It will be a non-event.....dunworryboutit. o_O
     
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    Anyone who can't notice a difference between a lightly loaded and gross loaded Cessna must not be paying attention. The OP question is valid and if he's used to flying the plane light he's going to recognize some differences in all phases of flight.
     
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    True with any airplane. I didn't say there wasn't a difference. I said you land it normally close to/at max landing weight at same speeds, flaps etc. Flew 182s training folks and Part 135 and that was my experience. Never was mushy like you stated. Not arguing but just my experiences with 182s.
     
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    Feels mushy. But if I flew at book speeds I couldn't land at the strips I use, and that limits me from operating in at gross weight. My brakes comment comes from experience.
     
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    Very mushy. Almost feels like you're flying through syrup. Like Mark said, you'll need to carry power on landing.
     
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    Fly nekid.
    No food, drinks, snacks
    Offload pens, paper, excess stuff (tie downs, control lock, gats jar, first aid kit).
    Fly with a chart and phone for backup, ditch iPad, Stratus, etc.
    Use the potty.
    Vacuum the dirt and wash the plane.
    10 qts oil, not 12

    Then you'll be closer to rounding error, and just burn more fuel.
     
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    33lbs?
    Official answer: Don't do it, burn more gas.
    Unofficial answer: It will fly and land just the same as max gross, you won't feel any difference.
     
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    So....what's the density altitude for this event?
     
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    That was all funny, but somehow the funniest part to me was the idea of offloading oil from the engine.
     
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    You have a high wing plane. Siphon out 33 lbs with a plastic tube. This won't take long.
     
  22. C182

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    Interesting, still a little new, so I did not realize you could remove fuel that way. Makes sense, but my instructure said to remove fuel via the drains.
     
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    I'd bet you'll loose at least 30 pounds of gas if you leave the fuel caps off. Reinstall them at your destination.
     
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    Been there done that! Fortunately I had just taken off and on climb out noticed.
     
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    One of the things my old crusty CFI always had me check after lifting off, check for fuel being siphoned from the tanks.
     
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    In a 182, 33lbs is irrelevant.
     
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    think I'll add that to my bag of tricks, great idea
     
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    Where does one draw the line???
    33 lbs, 34, 35,36,37..........103,104....

    Personally I draw it at book.
     
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    Fair point. Not that I've ever flown outside of the book, but there's certainly a level of reasonableness and "I know it when I see it." 33lbs in a 3000lb airplane? Irrelevant. 300lbs in a 1500lb 152? Different story.
     
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    But do you color inside or outside of the lines?
     
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    I've never flown a 182 with a MGLW. But then again, the newest 182 that I've flown is 58 years old.
     
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    Interesting that no one has mentioned it yet:

    On aircraft that have a lower MGLW vs. MGTW landing at the MGTW is something that plane must be able to handle, as would be needed for aborts and returns. Official answer, of course, is don't do it. However, the reason for the restriction on a 182 is not aerodynamic. It's the landing gear. It's not rated to take max rated impact at MGTW. Fly normally, land softly. Get the gear checked if you land hard. Also, officially, legally, don't do it. ;)

    EDIT: BTW, all that is actually in the POH. You read the POH, right? :)
     
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    This is one of my biggest gripes about the 182 and because of this very reason I try to always plan on landing around the 35-40 gallon mark (if it’s just me flying) that way if I need to fly with 4 people bags etc I can reasonably do it and still land below max landing weight (depending on the flight of course) . I never fill it up when I land if I don’t know exactly what my next flight will be
     
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    you're fly'n that thing like a jet....:eek:
     
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    Are you ****ing kidding me? That's crazy talk. 182s aren't difficult to land under any loading configuration, or number of folks on board.
     
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    A friend takes his 0-470 powered 182 in and out of a 400’ strip. Load yours up and follow him. I’ll bring the camera!
     
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    Me?
     
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    I think he is saying they are difficult to land within a legal weight.
     
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    IMO they're not.
     
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