Saying 2.5 instead of 2500, etc?

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  1. CC268

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    I hear quite a few folks using 2.5,3.5,4.5, etc instead of saying the full 2500,3500,etc for altitude.

    What do you guys think about this? Bad habit? Doesn’t matter?
     
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    I do it on occasion, not sure where I picked it up either but Im guilty of it. Less to say less clutter. hahaha

    Atlanta Center, Cherokee 1234, 2.4

    or

    Atlanta Center, Cherokee 1234, two thousand five hundred.

    Heck even more to type, ugh.
     
  3. eman1200

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    eh, I guess I'm used to hearing it at this point. not sure if I've used it more than once or 1.5 times. see what I did there?
     
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    I actually really like it because it does keep things short and sweet
     
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    Plenty use it, especially them airline boys. :D
     
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    Whatever the AIM says. I’ll usually say 2.5 though lol.
     
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    Do the other parties know what they mean? If so, Id say its ok. People gripe about someone saying he's landing on oh eight. But everyone knows what runway he's referring to. Eight, oh eight, they both get the point across.
     
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    I use "angels two point five" myself. ATC never has a problem with it. ;)
     
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    I use it for 'leaving' reports. Outta four point five for six thousand, etc. I think it is a bad habit to use it for assigned altitude.
     
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    Yes absolutely I should have specified that
     
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    I like to sound like the Big Boys, so I always say "Cessna 123 With you at Three point Fiiiiiiive.."

    (It's a joke)
     
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    Wait a minute....I thought you were a helo guy. Isn’t everything cherubs to you?
     
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    I use it for the passing altitude in a climb or decent. Example, “6.2 climbing 8 thousand”. I do not use it for the cleared altitude or in a readback. For example I would not say “descend and maintain 6.5” or “out of 7 climbing 9.5”.
     
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    Nooooooo! Not the 'with ya' controversy.....
     
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    Well he said he flew with the Agressors at Nellis....:cool:
     
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    Lol! Yeah I think Navy/Marine helos use Cherubs for anything less than 1,000 ft. Army sticks with standard AIM stuff when it comes to altitude reporting.
     
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    That’s because the Navy guys get nosebleeds if they go above 1k!
     
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    Don't get me started on the faux euro-trash folks saying "decimal" instead of "point" gawdammit. This is 'Merica. They probably draw horizontal lines through their sevens too.
     
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    What’s a cherub? 100 feet?


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    The Navy / Marine helo folks, when flying in a tactical theater, will generally use Cherubs for altitude reporting in hundreds of feet. So "Cherubs one" would be 100 ft.

    Not an official term in the Army. They use a bunch of tactical terms over the radio but not Angels or Cherubs.
     
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    So what you guys are saying is that I should say something like, "Cherokee 1RM with ya 5.5 for 7.5, no joy on that traffic buster brown, tally ho!"
     
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    You forgot “but we’ve got em on the fish finder”.
     
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    haha I actually heard somebody say that in the Phoenix Bravo the other day.
     
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    and 0069 in the box
     
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    I'd say 2.5 and 2500 are equally incorrect. It's supposed to be two thousand five hundred.

    Once you're going sloppy, go all the way, I guess.
     
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    Actually, two thousand fife hundred! ;)

    Seriously, it’s all fun and games until there’s a miscommunication that causes an incident or accident. Phraseology is standardized for a reason.

    That said, I hear a lot of controllers and airline pilots get pretty sloppy in their transmissions, so there’s that.
     
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    Can't tell if your being 100% serious, but of course I say "two thousand five hundred", I don't literally say two five zero zero. :rolleyes:
     
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    Touche! The main reason I want to finish my IR is so I won't have to say fife hundred anymore :)

    And I hear people say "twentyfivehundred" all the time and that is what I thought you meant.
     
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    But lots of folks say “twenty five hundred”, which is what I think he meant.

    If a student pilot, I’ll try to coach him or her back to the recommended phraseology. Experienced pilots not so much.
     
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    Oh...no I don't say that. While I am sure many here would like to make the assumption that I use bad phraseology...I certainly don't. I have read Bob's book, "Say Again, Please" and read the AIM. Not to mention the fact I have learned to fly in some of the busiest airspace in the US, which has definitely helped my radio skills. That said, there are a lot of very professional pilots out there that seem to use some short hand phraseology and it seems ridiculous to call their phraseology sloppy. Just my opinion.
     
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    Hey. I cross my sevens. ;)

    Giggity.
     
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    And the radios don't show the horizontal line or all of the digits of 135.975

    Do they say the pointless "point" and the trailing "fife" in their readback?
     
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    No, that is the A-10 Warthog drivers.

    Seriously, the "out of 18.5 for 20.0" language originated with the Flight Level Boys and was picked up by us bugsmashers. IMO, anyways...

    -Skip
     
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    Never heard of 20.0
     
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    because if being wrong feels this good, i dont wanna be right...
     
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    Neither have I. The majority of folks who get to fly in the Flight Levels seem plenty (and rightly perhaps) proud of that one and don’t shorten those.
     
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    it is dangerous and could overlap with a radio freq as radio freq is also point.
     
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    I use the point what ever all the time. 2.5, 3.0, 4.0 ... Never use it when talking to ATC. The difference were I fly is folks announce position reports on 122.9. Example Funter Pass 2.5, Juneau or, Benjamin Island, 2.5, Haines.

    Works good in the high traffic areas in SE Alaska.
     
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    technically, its not 2.5...it's TWO point FiFE... I was taught that way many moons ago.... I only use it in reports, not readbacks...