Explains why one of the pilots was weeping during the post crash interview...he was thinking that he's flown his last flight...not that the stunt failed. Editied to add: How does this impact other pilots involved (support helicopters etc.) who may have been aware of the denial but participated anyway?
I’ll be surprised if the FAA doesn’t refer this to the DOJ for legal action against the pilots and Red Bull.
Does Sponsorship like this really work? Does anyone hear want to go out and buy a red bull? Why not just give away product?
It must. I can't believe people are buying it because it tastes good. The one time I tried the stuff I didn't get any "boost" from it either. I'm always amazed by the collection of beautiful hardware they have amassed peddling what seems to primarily be a vodka mixer.
I drink one every morning. I like the taste. I'm not going to buy more because of a stupid stunt. I won't buy any less either.
That's why Dietrich Mateschitz is a genius. He took a little known asian drink and peddled it on beaches and parties. Grew it into a world-wide business. In the beginning, it was alot of blood and sweat equity. Now he sponsors extreme sports which really helps out the athletes. Means little to us but means alot to the athletes.
I cringe when the non-aviation media use the pejorative term "stunt" in connection with legitimate aero sports. But in this instance it fits. No redeeming social value and another black eye for G.A.
I'll move and merge it but leave the redirect over in Aviation Mishaps for a couple weeks. Maybe by then this will belong in another subforum. I'm guessing Lessons Learned but wouldn't be surprised by the Classifieds or even Cool Places to Fly.
Looks like the horizontal stab ripped off from the chute deployment in a nose dive. I don't understand the point of even trying to deploy a chute in these circumstances. You will be deploying it outside of the envelope it was designed to work in, and even if it deploys properly, you're just adding drift into the uncertain for where the crash will happen. I have zero sympathy for these clowns or the crew that set this up. Hope they get all they have coming for this.
I don't get the hate. I think it was a cool and interesting thing to try. It wasn't some Trevor Jacob style cowboy effort, it was a project run by a very experienced and knowledgeable team. All the safety measures were in place, and worked. There's an awful lot of "I personally don't like this, therefore nobody else should be allowed to do it" in this thread.
They directly violated multiple regs. And not stupid, pointless regs either. Regs like "The pilot should be in the pilots seat" regs.
Careless and reckless operations. I didn’t see a single fire extinguisher strapped to either pilot’s leg.
Oh no, a bunch of small-minded FAA bureaucrats felt the same as some of our posters here and wouldn't give a waiver. Not something I can find myself getting worked up about, to be honest.
The team apparently was not as experienced and knowledgeable as they thought they were. They could have used safety pilots in each of the 182s which may have resulted in the FAA approving the waiver but may have left Red Bull losing ‘face’ after selling a different concept. The stupidity was continuing with the project after regulatory approval was denied. Stupid should hurt, and in this case an untrained observer, given the knowledge that regulatory approval was denied, should then know they can’t do something. And if they do it, they should be aware there will be consequences. Unlike Trevor Jacob, there should also be enough common sense to know this was a commercial operation and therefore would be held to a higher standard especially given Red Bull Sports’ long history operating in the aviation segment, whether it be their fleet or the Red Bull Air Race series they literally created.
We disagree on this one. I think it's a good thing that the FAA wants someone controlling planes in the air. There was no TFR. There were two planes out there flying without pilots in them. My assumption when this came up initially is that they would be operating like an airshow. That there would be a TFR, FAA oversight into safety procedures, etc. I could have been flying through there when it happened. You may "trust" that they had safety procedures in place to keep me safe, but if they are going to ignore regulations as fundamental as 91.105, why would I assume that? So no, I do not see any difference between this and what Jacobs did. This is even worse because there were two planes out of control, and they weren't as remote as he was.
Says here the FAA previously denied a request to do the stunt. I'm assuming there was no waiver. https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/w...tunt-ends-disaster-faa-launches-investigation
I think it was set to deploy at a predetermined altitude. Hopefully to be deactivated after the switch.
My only regret is that poor, noble 182. Like a circus elephant forced to go unnatural things, it stomped on its trainer. RIP.
It's not easy to make an airplane go straight down like an arrow, something I imagine will come up again at the conclusion of the overseas airline crash. Hopefully redbull or the FAA stops another attempt. I'm no skydiver but I think most would agree this stunt isn't all that challenging from their perspective. More of an engineering challenge to control the airplane.
The biggest difference is Jacobs was stupid enough to believe people would think his situation was a real emergency and thought he'd get away with it. The FAA specifically told the Red Bull pilots it was not approved and they did it anyway and broadcast it! Either way, suspensions for life for all three of them would be justified.
No such thing as Red Bull stock. It’s a private company. That said, it’s publicity and their business will go up, albeit slightly. Non-pilots don’t care if they didn’t have a permit or of it was only a partial success.
Hold my Red Bull and watch this. Waiver was denied. I predict they'll get a full revocation and at least a year suspension.
Yeah, I don't see how they decided to move forward with this after the denial. Even if it had gone perfectly they'd be looking at repercussions. Seems like the airbrake may have been too strong and pitched it over too much sending it out of control? Or maybe the rigged autopilot didn't work as expected.
