Rant...young workers

[saracelica]

What is wrong with the young kids these days. Get off my lawn!

I Work in retail. I like it getting use to it at least. We have merchandise that customers decide they don't want we call them wait for it go backs. I prefer to get them done quickly and efficiently. We rotate who does that vs ringing out customers. Today I was on register and I said "that plant goes outside" she said oh I'll get it and finished texting someone. I just shook my head 30 min later it was still waiting to go 40ft. These same employees don't want any extra hours more then scheduled. Do they not like money?!

One of the kids who is 25 was excited to be able to have $50 in her bank account.

Should I put on my tinfoil hat?

 

[James331]

What is wrong with the young kids these days. Get off my lawn!

I Work in retail. I like it getting use to it at least. We have merchandise that customers decide they don't want we call them wait for it go backs. I prefer to get them done quickly and efficiently. We rotate who does that vs ringing out customers. Today I was on register and I said "that plant goes outside" she said oh I'll get it and finished texting someone. I just shook my head 30 min later it was still waiting to go 40ft. These same employees don't want any extra hours more then scheduled. Do they not like money?!

One of the kids who is 25 was excited to be able to have $50 in her bank account.

Should I put on my tinfoil hat?

Just not hungry for it, then they complain when they don't start off at a "livable wage" of like 15-20hr

Other peoples kids....

 

[kyleb]

What is wrong with the young kids these days. Get off my lawn!

I Work in retail. I like it getting use to it at least. We have merchandise that customers decide they don't want we call them wait for it go backs. I prefer to get them done quickly and efficiently. We rotate who does that vs ringing out customers. Today I was on register and I said "that plant goes outside" she said oh I'll get it and finished texting someone. I just shook my head 30 min later it was still waiting to go 40ft. These same employees don't want any extra hours more then scheduled. Do they not like money?!

One of the kids who is 25 was excited to be able to have $50 in her bank account.

Should I put on my tinfoil hat?

Many of today's 22 YO's have never had a real job before. So instead of learning how to be an employee while working part time during HS, their first job is typically a more upscale job, or maybe a job in a professional setting and they are completely unprepared.

 

[Florida Cracker]

Many of today's 22 YO's have never had a real job before. So instead of learning how to be an employee while working part time during HS, their first job is typically a more upscale job, or maybe a job in a professional setting and they are completely unprepared.

Public schools do not teach, prepare, instruct, or build good work habits, respectful behavior, or the value of hard work.

We who work hard are the object of ridicule by the by product of poor education, and even poorer parenting.

Those who talk for a living, and those who collect off the taxpayers for a living, have no real use for those of us who earn the money it takes to keep them, so they pretend we are an impediment to getting what they want, which is never what they want, when the few who do succeed in getting the things they claim to want, get them.

For those useless souls described in the OP, they will either shape up, or spend their entire lives living below the poverty level and blaming every body else for their failures.

I can't say it often enough:

For those who refuse to fail, there is always a way.

For those who refuse to do what it takes to succeed, there is always an excuse.

 

[frfly172]

Today it's all about me, you no longer need to have experience,or work your way up .the young workers now feel entitled. The world owes me.

 

[denverpilot]

The neighbors kid is a worker.

She grabbed a WalMart job to feed her horse. They scheduled her way too much during school, but she plowed through and leveraged the first job into a second, bucking hay bales at the hay guy's place and now gets an employee discount on her feed for the horse.

They're not all spoiled brats.

 

[gitmo234]

Not all brats but the % of brats is certainly higher. By far.

 

[SkyDog58]

But if you were to pay them all a $15 min wage, I bet they would instantly all become hard working productive machines.

 

[timwinters]

Boy...this is going to be a "get off of my lawn" thread if there ever was one.

 

[RJM62]

The neighbors kid is a worker.

She grabbed a WalMart job to feed her horse. They scheduled her way too much during school, but she plowed through and leveraged the first job into a second, bucking hay bales at the hay guy's place and now gets an employee discount on her feed for the horse.

They're not all spoiled brats.

True. Most of them are lazy, morose, and basically useless. They may also be quite brilliant, but they have no desire to put their brilliance to practical use. But when you get a good one, they're superb.

My all-time best employee was a kid named Marissa who could work circles around the rest of the crew combined. She was the one I always took with me when I needed someone who wasn't afraid to work, for example, when running Ethernet cable through crawl spaces and the like.

She didn't have the tech knowledge when I hired her. She'd just graduated high school and was planning to teach Phys Ed for a living. I hired her as a helper mainly to run cables because she was slim (handy for tight spaces), physically fit, hyper, and eager to work.

Within less than a year, however, she'd become a competent enough entry-level technician that I was sending her on jobs alone (and had substantially raised her pay, obviously). She'd also earned several CompTIA certs (A+ and Network+, I think) without taking a single course. The tests aren't especially difficult, but her having earned them showed initiative on her part -- something the rest of the crew sorely lacked.

When Marissa was almost done with her Associates degree, she decided she wanted to finish her B.A. at one of the Upstate colleges. (I was still living and working Downstate at the time.) She asked me to write her a reference using a form that the school had provided. After filling in the required information and checking all the right boxes, there was a space for me to write anything else I wanted to say about Marissa. I wrote one sentence:

"My loss is your gain."

So no, not all young workers are lazy malcontents with no ambition. Some of them are jewels who would be the best of the best in any generation.

Rich

 

[overdrive148]

I sure wish it was true that jobs today didn't require experience to get into!

I think that my college education and hard work should get me into places other than Walgreens/Fast Food/Walmart. It took Pei Wei (asian place) 4 and a half months to turn my application down. No experience required position. If I even hear back from most places.

I don't think that makes me entitled in the least. I think 7.25 is low compared to the past but at the same time, $15/hr is kind of pushing it. I make $11 now at the airport, that's part time and I've been here just over a year now. Been applying to all kinds of jobs (FAA/Northrop Grumman/Raytheon/Boeing/UAV/Airport Operations) since before I had my degree and I almost never hear back. Not for lack of trying.

Speaking from my current position at the bottom, looking up... those are some pretty steep steps. How do you climb them? Hard work, sure. Apply more? I think I've thrown myself against the wall of applications enough times to give me concussions. Talk to people and network? Been doing that for a year. I wasn't alive when all you old timey folk were working, but it sure seems difficult to get anywhere, even being above average in intelligence and skill compared to my peers/generation.

I lived at home because I couldn't afford to move out/didn't want to impose more cost by being at the main campus while I was in school and my dad graciously paid nearly all of my way through college. I focused on studies and got great grades, 3.83 GPA at the end. Does not having all the experience in the world make me entitled or lazy?

 

[cowman]

Reminds me of all the middle aged "professionals" I have to call a dozen times to get to do their job(and I'm the customer).

 

[Cpt_Kirk]

I believe in Karma.

 

[gitmo234]

I've been overwhelmingly successful by simply showing up on time and doing 80% of the job I was supposed to do. 80% of the work puts me 60% ahead of most. So much so that I've been promoted far enough that the "show up early" part is not a factor. People show up early for me.

I return the favor by spotting the people who show up early and do 80% of what I pay them for, hiring them and promoting them up the ladder

 

[RJM62]

I sure wish it was true that jobs today didn't require experience to get into!

I think that my college education and hard work should get me into places other than Walgreens/Fast Food/Walmart. It took Pei Wei (asian place) 4 and a half months to turn my application down. No experience required position. If I even hear back from most places.

I don't think that makes me entitled in the least. I think 7.25 is low compared to the past but at the same time, $15/hr is kind of pushing it. I make $11 now at the airport, that's part time and I've been here just over a year now. Been applying to all kinds of jobs (FAA/Northrop Grumman/Raytheon/Boeing/UAV/Airport Operations) since before I had my degree and I almost never hear back. Not for lack of trying.

Speaking from my current position at the bottom, looking up... those are some pretty steep steps. How do you climb them? Hard work, sure. Apply more? I think I've thrown myself against the wall of applications enough times to give me concussions. Talk to people and network? Been doing that for a year. I wasn't alive when all you old timey folk were working, but it sure seems difficult to get anywhere, even being above average in intelligence and skill compared to my peers/generation.

I lived at home because I couldn't afford to move out/didn't want to impose more cost by being at the main campus while I was in school and my dad graciously paid nearly all of my way through college. I focused on studies and got great grades, 3.83 GPA at the end. Does not having all the experience in the world make me entitled or lazy?

Your avatar clearly indicates that you are one of the exceptions.

I'm not denying that things are tough for younger people. Very tough. Most of it is due to the global economy and the ability to offshore jobs. That will eventually balance out as the other countries grow their economies and their standards of living rise. I remember when "Made in Japan" and "Made in Korea" were synonymous with "Cheap ****," just as "Made in China" is now.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen soon enough to help you folks. But don't blame a whole generation. Remember that there were more boomers ****ed by offshoring than there were doing the ****ing.

Rich

 

[overdrive148]

Your avatar clearly indicates that you are one of the exceptions.

I'm not denying that things are tough for younger people. Very tough. Most of it is due to the global economy and the ability to offshore jobs. That will eventually balance out as the other countries grow their economies and their standards of living rise. I remember when "Made in Japan" and "Made in Korea" were synonymous with "Cheap ****," just as "Made in China" is now.

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen soon enough to help you folks. But don't blame a whole generation. Remember that there were more boomers ****ed by offshoring than there were doing the ****ing.

Rich

Not sure if serious about the avatar thing. I think it's funny and I don't have a cool beard like yours so my options are kind of limited.

I -try- not to blame anyone specifically - each generation has had good and bad, kind and rude, greedy and generous. I'm more focused on the problem at hand that I have to handle.

Problem is, I've not been through this whole job/adulthood/hiring/etc thing before. I know that I'm having a tough time getting out of the mud no matter how hard I seem to push. And a lot of (older) people are rolling people like me into this whole "entitled" thing.

Is it my fault, my degree's fault, the job market's fault, the college's fault, society's fault? Hell if I know. Blaming isn't going to change it for me right now, I just have to find a foothold and get going. Now if only my legs were about 10 feet longer...

//addition
Speaking as a youngish worker, 24 last week, what should I be doing to get over this wall? Pointed at those of the belief that I (or people like me) are entitled.

 

[N801BH]

Not sure if serious about the avatar thing. I think it's funny and I don't have a cool beard like yours so my options are kind of limited.

I -try- not to blame anyone specifically - each generation has had good and bad, kind and rude, greedy and generous. I'm more focused on the problem at hand that I have to handle.

Problem is, I've not been through this whole job/adulthood/hiring/etc thing before. I know that I'm having a tough time getting out of the mud no matter how hard I seem to push. And a lot of (older) people are rolling people like me into this whole "entitled" thing.

Is it my fault, my degree's fault, the job market's fault, the college's fault, society's fault? Hell if I know. Blaming isn't going to change it for me right now, I just have to find a foothold and get going. Now if only my legs were about 10 feet longer...

You seem like a smart kid with plenty of ambition..

My take is.............

Find a niche the population needs and start your own business...

 

[overdrive148]

You seem like a smart kid with plenty of ambition..

My take is.............

Find a niche the population needs and start your own business...

Thank you

Although, even though I have a whole minor in Management, I wouldn't know where to start. Other than at the beginning I suppose. Also financially I'm a little less than comfortable and have been for a while. You'd think that an asian food place would be great with a college educated guy and a resume that shows steady improvement at different jobs for around $8.50/hr but apparently I'm overqualified. For a simple part time job.

I was gonna use it for half income, half learning how to make asian food for pay.

 

[RJM62]

Not sure if serious about the avatar thing. I think it's funny and I don't have a cool beard like yours so my options are kind of limited.

I -try- not to blame anyone specifically - each generation has had good and bad, kind and rude, greedy and generous. I'm more focused on the problem at hand that I have to handle.

Problem is, I've not been through this whole job/adulthood/hiring/etc thing before. I know that I'm having a tough time getting out of the mud no matter how hard I seem to push. And a lot of (older) people are rolling people like me into this whole "entitled" thing.

Is it my fault, my degree's fault, the job market's fault, the college's fault, society's fault? Hell if I know. Blaming isn't going to change it for me right now, I just have to find a foothold and get going. Now if only my legs were about 10 feet longer...

I hope you soon find your break and leap on it like a cat pounces on a mouse. You need to catch the attention of someone up the ladder who notices your attitude, initiative, and competence. When that happens, I suspect you'll be next in line for the next promotion that opens up.

Rich

 

[midlifeflyer]

Wow! A 20 year old post!

Or is that 30? 40? 80? 150? 2000? ...?

 

[RJM62]

You seem like a smart kid with plenty of ambition..

My take is.............

Find a niche the population needs and start your own business...

Not a bad idea, either.

Rich

 

[JHW]

I'm squarely in the middle, about 25 years into my career. Looking at both ends from the middle, I have way more problems with boomer employees who have been retired on the job for the last decade and won't leave because they never bothered to save a dime. The young employees, yes they have short attention spans, I think we all did at that age. The trick it to harness those tendencies by giving them jobs that require a lot of flexibility.

 

[overdrive148]

I hope you soon find your break and leap on it like a cat pounces on a mouse. You need to catch the attention of someone up the ladder who notices your attitude, initiative, and competence. When that happens, I suspect you'll be next in line for the next promotion that opens up.

Rich

Thank you. Working on it

Feels like each time I get moving that it's only a gust of wind instead of anything steady.

Installing Redbird sim in Turkey - didn't continue past the first one, even though more were expected to follow.

Landed an interview (big thing since I don't get many) for fantastic UAV job in Houston - not selected.

Landed 3 interviews in a row for UAV company in NY - plans made to visit their office and interview - contacts for the company suddenly dropped off the face of the planet. Still trying to find out what happened and if they are still considering me.

 

[JimNtexas]

We hired six software interns at the place I work, all freshmen or sophomores at the University of Texas. They are all great.

The best one was born in Mexico, one is from India, the other four are of Asian descent.

 

[Shawn]

I have a younger workforce at my company. I have had three guys that started pretty young with me that had enough potential that could have literally had an significant ownership stake in the company by now. All of them have moved on and now have dead end jobs...not even careers...jobs.

Not one of them understood the concept of making yourself so valuable that the company can't afford to operate without you...and I don't mean sales. All were more concerned with what the company was gonna do for them and they were well taken care of.

Not to turn this into an immigration debate, but fast food, back of house at restaurants, construction, crappy labor jobs...those are the jobs that the kids are supposed to have growing up and over the summer to lean how to work...I don't mean physical work, but how the game is played in the real world to succeed. They no longer have those opportunities.

 

[Mason]

Thank you. Working on it

Feels like each time I get moving that it's only a gust of wind instead of anything steady.

Installing Redbird sim in Turkey - didn't continue past the first one, even though more were expected to follow.

Landed an interview (big thing since I don't get many) for fantastic UAV job in Houston - not selected.

Landed 3 interviews in a row for UAV company in NY - plans made to visit their office and interview - contacts for the company suddenly dropped off the face of the planet. Still trying to find out what happened and if they are still considering me.

I believe your over-active avatar is what is holding you back. Just Sayin.

 

[MauleSkinner]

Wow! A 20 year old post!

Or is that 30? 40? 80? 150? 2000? ...?

25 years ago I pulled into a gas station in Maryland. A guy in a construction company pickup pulls in behind me, gets out of his pickup and says, "I see by your license plate you're from Minnesota."

Me:"yup"

Him: "You want a job? Guys around here don't want to work."

I politely declined.

 

[SkyDog58]

Things are weird.

I hear hiring managers and recruiters bemoan the fact they can't find workers.

I hear workers bemoan the fact they can't find a job.

TV and radio news talks about the unemployment rate, needing to raise the minimum wage and forgiving student loan debt due to lack of jobs.

I see tons of ads online for jobs, many paying very well.

 

[SbestCFII]

At least they're not wasting someone else's money in college.

 

[Richard]

Helicopter parents and precious snowflakes

By the time a kid reaches 18, she will have accumulated boxes and boxes of diplomas, medals, ribbons, trophies and certificates for just showing up – whether she’s any good at anything or not.

Blame the school admin too who enable such hollow accolades.

“I hear stories all the time from recruiters,” says Nate Laurie, who runs Jobpostings, Canada’s leading online student job network. “Parents call the recruiter and ask if he got their child’s resumé, or why their child didn’t get the job. When the kid goes for an interview, they go with her and sit in the waiting room.”

http://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2015/07/special-snowflakes-helicopter-parents.html

 

[Richard]

Things are weird.

I hear hiring managers and recruiters bemoan the fact they can't find workers.

I hear workers bemoan the fact they can't find a job.

TV and radio news talks about the unemployment rate, needing to raise the minimum wage and forgiving student loan debt due to lack of jobs.

I see tons of ads online for jobs, many paying very well.

As a late teen ager my lament was employers demanded experience but how was I to get the experience if I was unqualified? It was a Catch-22.

My answer was to create a job. I became self-employed.

However, about 99% of the workforce either cannot or will not take that leap. It's like a fat kid on the diving board afraid that the water might hurt or that they don't know how to swim.

Current day: add to the mix that more foreign students gain admission than homebred students.

Those who can, will. The rest will look to the state to 'level' the playing field.

 

[overdrive148]

I believe your over-active avatar is what is holding you back. Just Sayin.

I suppose you could be right. He's just so darn entertaining to watch though!

Things are weird.

I hear hiring managers and recruiters bemoan the fact they can't find workers.

I hear workers bemoan the fact they can't find a job.

TV and radio news talks about the unemployment rate, needing to raise the minimum wage and forgiving student loan debt due to lack of jobs.

I see tons of ads online for jobs, many paying very well.

I saw an airport job at Wiley Post here in OKC (~45k/yr) and applied for it, asked for 1-3 years experience, pilot preferred, etc which I met. Called back later and they told me they'd filled the position...and 250 other people had applied with me. I can't compete with that many people

Applying for ones I qualify/close to qualify/have interest in is what I already do. Applying for ones that I'm not qualified for seems pushy. One of the pilots that comes through here says just throw your resume at everything you can because qualifications don't matter and if you're the only one to apply for the job that you'll get it.

 

[jordane93]

There are lazy and irresponsible people of all ages. I've met incompetent 40 year olds and incompetent 20 year olds.

 

[N801BH]

I suppose you could be right. He's just so darn entertaining to watch though!



I saw an airport job at Wiley Post here in OKC (~45k/yr) and applied for it, asked for 1-3 years experience, pilot preferred, etc which I met. Called back later and they told me they'd filled the position...and 250 other people had applied with me. I can't compete with that many people

Applying for ones I qualify/close to qualify/have interest in is what I already do. Applying for ones that I'm not qualified for seems pushy. One of the pilots that comes through here says just throw your resume at everything you can because qualifications don't matter and if you're the only one to apply for the job that you'll get it.

My opinion and what I have seen over the last 40 years.....

If it is a government job ,they HAVE to advertise, but 99% of the time their selection is made long before the ad hits the newspaper... Usually it is a friend, family member or a political payback, so don't get rattled when you are passed over.

Private sector jobs are alot better in picking the right guy/gal for the job.. The key is to stand out and stay on their radar screen during the selection process...

An almost fool proof way to get your foot in the door is offer to work for 5 bucks an hour, or whatever minimum wage is, with the agreement you sit down with the supervisor at the end of the week and discuss your future there....
Show up early, work your ass off, show respect, and treat the job as if you were the owner....

Failing that, starting your own business is a soul searching move, but pilots are type A and I bet you can pull it off.... If I were you , I would start a aircraft detail business, make customers planes shine like no tomorrow, they will tell two friends, and those will tell two more friends.....

It is like growing a bush..

Plant the seed..
Water it religiously..
Fertilize it..
When it bears fruit, enjoy the crop you created.....

IMHO..

 

[Mtns2Skies]

Well I feel like I should weigh in here. I'm 20 years old. Also a mechanical engineering student, holding down an engineering co-op job and I've saved about 15k towards my future Cessna 180 over the course of it. I also have my CPL that I paid for myself.

If you have any aspirations of going far in life get a REAL degree in school (STEM) not including soft sciences.

 

[N747JB]

I think it's as much societal as generational, it's more apparent with the younger ones, but I've met quite a few 50 yr old slackers! It seems everyone in entitled to something, SOME older worker think they are entitled to the job, even though the quit working years ago and are just filling time. Young workers think they are entitled to earn the same money as someone with 15 years experience. And everyone is entitled to be off on the weekend!!
My middle son is working two jobs, Thursday he worked all day helping a guy clean up around his house and then went to work until 4 AM as a bouncer. Got up at 6AM, captained a boat all day, got home at 6:30 last night took a shower, ate dinner and back to the bar at 10, worked til 4 this morning! He may sleep away his 4th of July, but he doesn't mind working!

 

[overdrive148]

My opinion and what I have seen over the last 40 years.....

If it a government job ,they HAVE to advertise but 99% of the time their selection is made long before the ad hits the newspaper... Usually it is a friend, family member or a political payback, so don't get rattled when you are passed over.

Private sector jobs are alot better in picking the right guy/gal for the job.. The key is to stand out and stay on their radar screen during the selection process...

A almost fool proof way to get your foot in the door is offer to work for 5 bucks an hour, or whatever minimum wage is with the agreement you sit down with the supervisor at the end of the week and discuss your future there....
Show up early, work your ass off, show respect, and treat the job as if you were the owner....

Failing that, starting your own business is a soul searching move, but pilots are type A and I bet you can pull it off.... If I were you , I would start a aircraft detail business, make customers planes shine like no tomorrow, they will tell two friends, and those will tell two more friends.....

It is like growing a bush..

Plant the seed..
Water it religiously..
Fertilize it..
When it bears fruit, enjoy the crop you created.....

IMHO..

I figured a lot of jobs are already filled before the application even hits, I just wish it wasn't the case. Then again, I think that's the way it's been for a long time and more of a way of life in the job market anyway. More frustrating than anything else though - how can you find these people other than sheer luck and befriend/impress them? And doing that would feel fake anyway. I guess it just comes down to right place, right time, right people.

I didn't think about doing that minimum wage thing to get the foot in the door. It would show that I want the job more than the money (at least up front) and showing my skills/abilities would be a great step in getting considered for the position. I wonder where I'd bring that up though? If I am having a hard time getting interviews in the first place, the resume or cover letter? Does it come off as overly desperate?

And honestly the idea of starting that kind of business is tempting. I don't know the first thing about making a business legally or taxes or etc. Or the first thing about cleaning planes other than avoiding static ports.

Then again, applying your logic of getting your foot in the door...

I could put up a sign in an FBO or two saying "Young pilot looking to learn to clean and detail aircraft, will help clean your plane for free/cheap". I'd get to learn how to do it, pilots would appreciate the free/cheap help in cleaning their plane, I'd demonstrate directly to possible future customers that I can clean their plane the way they showed me... they could pass on how great of a job I did... You may be onto something here.

How much do you think I'd need as a start-up cost for all of this? I don't know what kind of tools/insurance/company stuff/cleaning supplies/etc you'd even need to start. Although I don't think I'd need it at first considering it's only helping out other pilots.

 

[Cpt_Kirk]

Overdrive, to me, you sound desperate. Applying for a job online is not the only option. If you haven't done so, get someone to look over and adjust your résumé (preferably someone from who reads them all day).

The biggest tip I can give is to network. Even if that means small talk at the fuel truck with the aircraft owner. Who knows where it can lead? Use your manners.

Don't expect anything from anybody, ever, but be grateful when you are given something. Everything is a potential lead to something better until proven otherwise.

 

[jsstevens]

Not sure if serious about the avatar thing. I think it's funny and I don't have a cool beard like yours so my options are kind of limited.

I -try- not to blame anyone specifically - each generation has had good and bad, kind and rude, greedy and generous. I'm more focused on the problem at hand that I have to handle.

Problem is, I've not been through this whole job/adulthood/hiring/etc thing before. I know that I'm having a tough time getting out of the mud no matter how hard I seem to push. And a lot of (older) people are rolling people like me into this whole "entitled" thing.

Is it my fault, my degree's fault, the job market's fault, the college's fault, society's fault? Hell if I know. Blaming isn't going to change it for me right now, I just have to find a foothold and get going. Now if only my legs were about 10 feet longer...

//addition
Speaking as a youngish worker, 24 last week, what should I be doing to get over this wall? Pointed at those of the belief that I (or people like me) are entitled.

Where do you live and what is your degree in?


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[Hank S]

Have you considered relocating? That's often the key to starting out. Find a job and move to wherever it is. You can move back to OK later, with some experience and a larger job market.

I've worked for two multinationals, and for salaried employees, both considered the applicant pool to be "national." I didn't even select an industry when I was fresh out of school, just went looking everywhere that needed Mech Engineers. Ended up in plastic injection molding . . . Never would have thought of it on my own.

Which boils down to two questions: 1) what's your degree in? 2) anywhere you do NOT want to live? This dyed in the wool Southern boy took a transfer to Ohio for almost five years, then spent nine more in WV before making back South; now I'm planning to stay.

Treat us like a network, but we need more information. I know my company has a half-dozen salaried openings.