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Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by PaulS, Jun 27, 2020.
Thread drift, makes things fun sometimes, lol.
It was less than two seconds between his call and clearing the runway. If the pilot would have experienced spontaneous human combustion during the call the aircraft would still have rolled clear.
Your long post is a bunch of nonsensical puffery.
People need to just mind their own business.
Don't like a video, don't watch it..
Don't like a radio show, don't listen to it..
Don't like a business or a business's practices, font patronize them.
It's not that hard
Absolutely but then it was his choice to announce and misreport his position, just as it was his choice to respond to the initial question in the condescending manner he did and it was his choice to not follow-up on the question when the kid still respectfully asked him again. The call from the FAA was as much about P1D's choices as it was the kid's choice to take it to the FAA.
From there it was also P1D's choice to take what could have been a professional, teachable moment and respectful conversation and instead use his platform to denigrate a young aspiring pilot for 13+ minutes while giving only lip service to how his own choice was sloppy and "technically a violation." It was also P1D's choice to go wholly unprofessional and specifically name the kid to all of his followers with predictable results of the kid being doxed and harassed.
I'm not by any means trying to be a party pooper in this one but P1D's lack of humility and self-reflection of how his own choices got him into this situation is an issue of self-responsibility which is a pretty big argument these days.
****ty move to doxxing the kid, my guess is this guy will probably regret the hell he's made the kid's life. This is like that email you compose, walk away and come back and delete except he hit send.
But why even comment in the first place? Does he ask every car going over the limit why they're doing that? Does he phone in license plates to the parking authority when he sees expired meters?
I didn't watch the video that closely. I think 5 seconds is what P1D said so I went with that. As to the rest of my post being nonsensical puffery? Tell me what purpose was served by announcing clear before he actually cleared? Do you think had P1D had even a bit of humility in his response that it would have gone as far as it did?
he’ll just stop doing YouTube, because it’s “just a service he provides”. He won’t regret crap. It’s clear what he thinks of others.
Some people were born to be petty functionaries. They hyper focus on details like that. One could argue it’s a good trait for a pilot. He was a punk for reporting, but his question was reasonable for someone like that to ask, and the response did not answer the question. All of what his answer was fine, but he never admitted he was wrong. That is not a good trait for a pilot.
I was referring to P1D's choices more so than the kids but as to the kids comment? Well I read both the kid's initial comment and the kid's response to P1D as earnestly wanting to know and respectfully asking an experienced pilot why they announced clear before actually being clear when everything the kid has been taught up to that point says "dont announce clear until you're clear."
P1D could have chosen not to respond at all or he could have chosen to respond with more humility and/or he could have admitted from the outset that it was sloppy and it shouldn't have been done... instead he doubled down with his decision being the right one and when the kid tried to engage him again, he was chose not to respond a second time at which point the kid chose to ask a higher power, in this case the FAA.
haha I like that. I'm just glad that this nor the 1NR guy in Vegas involved a Cirrus!
I don't disagree.. but going to the FAA?
Nah, the kid is a crybaby. Calling the FAA was a major escalation, a douche bag move of the day. He deserved what he got, a whole lot of negative response. Greg (premier 1 driver) was angry and made a video. He voiced his displeasure, I'm betting he expected a reaction, but not to the degree that happened. Greg seems like a good guy, it'll be interesting to see what he says on his next video, it will also be interesting to see if the kid man's up and apologizes for calling the FAA. You just don't do things like that because you are butt hurt over someone's comment on the internet.
I’ll gladly buy you a few beers to hear about them.
This actually leads into another point that I just thought of... I dont disagree that going to the FAA was excessive. I've explicitly stated as much in several of my other posts. The kid should have taken it to his CFI
That being said we dont know that the kid set out to get P1D in trouble with the FAA. Everything we have is hearsay and opinion from P1D. For all we know the kid's conversation with the FAA went something like this:
"I have a concern about something I saw in a video. It goes against everything I've been taught and when I asked the pilot responsible for the video to explain I got back a dismissive, condescending and a little bit offensive response. When I tried to engage him again, he didnt respond at all. I'd like to know for my own edification what the FAA's position is on this. Here's the video."
The FAA would undoubtedly log it as a complaint, investigate it and issue a response to the complainant before contacting P1D.
For that matter and for all we know, the conversation P1D had with the FAA went something like this:
"Look it was a minor issue and we're not going to pursue it but the kid was right and he called out the condescension in your response."
Yeah, both are probably a stretch but we dont really know now do we?
P1D really did nothing wrong. If he chose to, he could have completely avoided mentioning anything about being clear of the runway and said nothing. The kid asked a question stating his knowledge and expertise. The response was perfectly fine. The kid put himself in a position with his real name out there and ratted someone out for doing nothing wrong.
to me it's a case between a long time aviation enthusiast, an adult who contributes to the aviation community with meaningful, well edited content that a lot of people are interested in and can learn from and are entertained by, who did something so trivial and inconsequential that outside of the training world is simply a non-factor, vs some entitled attention seeking neo maxi zoom dweebie who contributes nothing. open and shut case in my book. looks like the FAA felt the same way.
as for P1D's follow up video, I totally understand and back him up on it. he got to do what we here on PoA don't have the luxury of doing, pleading your case. when u get banned for something so inconsequential, you don't even have an opportunity to plead your case and u definitely can't follow up on it with a discussion about what happened. but he's in the real world where you do have that right and good on him for venting, which is really what he was doing. it's so frustrating dealing with some of these snowflakes, it's maddening.
He isn't going to stop making videos, the 5K+ comments on this video is a level of knob polishing that would feed the ego of anyone.
This is a partial example of one the comments but plenty more like it: "I am amazed at some of the comments you get Greg. I learn from you every time and my radio syntax is better because of you. I wear my Premier 1 Driver shirt with pride, and I value my signed photograph by you in my office."
Sorry but no. Either P1D is incredibly naive and just plain stupid or he knew what he was doing when he made that video. Doxing has been in the media enough that you'd have to be living under a rock to claim you didn't know what was going to happen and no regular youtube content creator with followers can make such a claim. He willfully lit that match and threw it on the box of fuses leading to the dynamite; he doesnt get any sympathy from me just because he was upset. It was a serious lack of judgement and unprofessional behavior on his part.
As someone else said, this video is that email you type up, walk away from, then return to and hit delete. P1D chose to hit send but worse he chose to hit send after having time to gather his thoughts about what he was going to say, say it while filming the video and then review it while editing the video and presumably going through a final review all before uploading the video. He still hit send.
Frankly P1D comes across as the bigger crybaby here. Nothing came of the call to the FAA except notification of a complaint. Thats it. His threat to pull his videos from youtube? That's a 3 year old's response to not wanting to share their toys and taking them and going home... They're my toys/video, I dont have to share if I dont want to and if you dont like that well that's too bad because they're mine and I'm taking them home with me.
As to the kid being a crybaby? We dont know how that conversation went. What we know is he went to the FAA which we all agree was a major and unnecessary escalation but it is also the escalation we are told we should follow. This is probably even more so true now than it was in the past as the FAA's whole educate and comply regime has seen newer instructors, especially in 141 schoosl, starting to cast the FAA as a "friend" to pilots and not an "adversary." I think the change is good but there is still enough nonsense coming from the FAA on things like medicals and other issues that I'm not quite ready to go full on "lets be friends" myself but I'm also not in the "anything involving the FAA is bad" camp either. As someone else said on here, most of you have never had to deal with the FAA directly and it shows and again the kid lacks experience and judgement to know what he doesnt know, which in this case was, ask others first, dont involve the FAA except as a last resort.
As to an apology? I think both need to apologize to each other, P1D more so than the kid. The kid's only guilty of unnecessarily escalating a minor issue, in which he was technically correct about, into one involving the FAA but nothing came of it. P1D on the other hand has been in my opinion condescending and dismissive of the kid from the start with a holier than thou attitude and is now directly responsible for the kid being doxed and harassed.
Oh crap, you would pick my comment to post here.....
No problem with him venting, doxxing the "kid" (don't even know how old he is) wasn't cool. He could have told the story without naming the kid.
I agree that this was a trivial infraction (if it was an infraction at all) and that the tattling to the FAA by this particular student pilot was incomprehensible BS. But Greg seems like a really smart guy, so I'm a little surprised that HE was surprised that, if you put your activities on YouTube, you subject yourself to scrutiny by every nutball with a computer and an axe to grinde. Social media, including this website in my brief experience with it, and even within this thread, is more-than-occasionally prone to self-righteous, judgemental pilot wannabe Sheriff's, and your social media activities do put you right in their crosshairs. The many and various aviation vloggers out there are routinely dealing with such folks, and vlogging about it. Should be no surprises there.
No, no, no, no, no. We can agree to disagree on P1D, but this kid just got a good lesson that actions have consequences. Maybe it will be a grow up moment for him, mommy could not save him from this one. It will be forgotten in a week, but it's an awesome lesson that you don't f with someone's livelihood.
I almost missed that "vs" in there. I mean honestly, I almost thought you were describing P1D with the "entitled attention seeking" comment. I mean the condescension just rolls off of him in the video and make no mistake he makes the videos for his own ego... To quote @NHWannabe :
I hear you. but the only way to get justice on these punks and maybe get it to stop is flat out calling them out and exposing them for who they are. it is too easy to hide behind the computer and continue to do this kind of damage. they should be brought out to the center of town and stoned by the townsfolk for all to see.
I hear you as well. there are some of us who can look past the "hey look at me I'm special and I'm on youtube" attitude that seems to be growing exponentially within the aviation world (that's right, you know who you are...) and focus on the content. I'm most likely never going to fly a premier so I enjoy watching that aspect of the videos. I don't care if he's doing it to stroke his ego or make money or not, I could care less.
I get your point and it can be fun to watch people flying things most of us wont ever have the opportunity to fly (though sometimes its also really annoying, like flightchops, love his stuff but also cant help but be annoyed by the doors youtube has opened for him that most of us can only dream about... He tries hard not to rub our face in it but that fact is still there underlying everyone of his videos doing something new/unique whether it be a new location, a new plane or even just an activity like his coast guard rescue video). P1D's attitude and ego stroking just rub me the wrong way; I've not seen him before so I'm trying not to cast judgement on him because of a single video and going through his back catalog, I can say its thankfully less in your face and definitely bordering on non-existent in some of his other videos but its still there beneath the surface. Still I'm unlikely to subscribe to him as there are plenty of other quality content creators out there who dont seem like they're doing it purely for the "Im special" ego boost.
I'd have to trust you wouldn't I? Controllers trust pilots to do the right thing. I trust you to turn base inside traffic on 5 mile final not continue on downwind telling me you can't see it and screw up my pattern. I also trust you to start your take off roll and be 6000' down the runway and airborne before that guy on final I told you about before I cleared you for take off crosses the threshold, not pulling out on the runway and running your checklist.
Controllers put a lot of trust in pilots; it isn't like we can reach out the window and fly your airplane for you although there's been several instances where I wish I could.
I’m just glad I don’t post some of the superficial boo-boo’s that I’ve made over the years on the internet, for all of the keyboard warriors to critique and come up with ridiculous hypotheticals like this.
I'm in one of his videos. If you look up the one where he lands in Tucson, right before he parks, you can see my open hangar and my truck in his video.
So I got THAT goin' for me...which is nice.
Dude! I gotta go back and look for that.
I have said this many times and I'll say it again. Is there a strong, not just hypothetical but strong likely chance someone is going to get hurt or property destroyed because of this person's actions? Are they causing me or someone else a significant problem? If the answer is no, I won't report them. Even if the answer is yes I'd rather send the person a private message or take them aside and talk to them about it than involve the feds.
I am not the police, I am not the FAA, it is not my job or my responsibility to enforce the minutia of every regulation. I have no business calling the authorities unless persons or property are in serious danger. I would extend that philosophy to life in general- not just aviation. Why do this? Offended that someone is getting away with it? Did no teacher or parent ever tell these people as kids "worry about yourself, not what the other kids are doing"?
I get really tired of this, I know it's only a small few people but they ruin everything. Can't have fun anymore, can't share a nice/cool thing anymore. Ugh, frustrating.
I bet if you stopped the video at that exact moment you could see me....okay, you can't see me. I've looked, but you can see my open hanger and my truck.
are u in the credits?
Nope. Think I should sue?
Sorry, but this makes no sense. You like Flightchops but you’re annoyed by his YT success? Why? You’re annoyed because the guy put the time and effort into something and it paid off? You’re annoyed by him doing new & unique things. So it’d be better if he just posted vids of him flying the pattern in a 172?? You’re annoyed by P1D’s “attitude and ego” but you don’t watch his vids. So you’re basing all this on what exactly?
I’m annoyed by splitting hairs, minutia and nonsensical hypotheticals a la “what if the guy had a stroke...”. Really dude???
at the very least, report him to the FAA
Uh oh, if you tell me on downwind to look for an airplane on a 5 mile final, don't expect me to turn in front of him. I'm fine with you telling me "turn base now", but man, if I don't see him I'm not turning.
You're right. I should!
Ummm, how do i do that?