Premier 1 driver reported to FAA by "pilot"

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  1. JonH

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    Yeah I was going to post this thread when I saw it but it seems the only result will be a dumpster fire. It's unfortunate the kid was doxxed, this thing was already off the rails. I stopped making youtube videos because I would make a flying video, get a bunch of subs, and then post an electronics video and get a bunch of thumbs down from the flying subs. I don't know why P1D takes the time to run the cameras and edit his stuff, but I'm glad he does and hope he keeps doing so.
     
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    So, is it ok for me to make calls I know are inaccurate since calls are not required?
     
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    This kid is a ****ing idiot!
    If he didn’t realize what a dip**** move that was he sure should now.
    In this new world of everyone having to be completely PC and then bitching about having the right to free speech,etc,etc,etc, take that giant leap into manhood and stop acting like a self entitled snot dripping punk!!!
    Seriously, as harsh as this may seem, it’s the truth, something that seems to be dismissed these days as being “ insensitive”
    And just in case I’m criticized for not being PC, well then I’ll just use the “ I’m in entitled to my opinion” cop-out.
    Keep catering to people like this and see what kind of person they turn out to be as an adult.
     
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    What purpose would that serve? All I'm saying is, he did not violate any FARs.
     
  5. Salty

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    This seems to apply equally well to both parties involved. Lol
     
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    I’m sure those who come here to crack on his superficial ‘mistake’ have never made any slip-ups themself... :rolleyes:
     
  7. Salty

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    It probably would violate FARs for me to make knowingly incorrect calls. Not sure, it might be an FCC issue rather than FAA. I don’t think he did violate anything, but I’m pointing out that “sloppy” calls should not be excused. I make them way more often than this guy, but I admit it, apologize, and try to do better. I’m not seeing that approach here. He never once addresses what he learned, just that “maybe there’s something for me to learn”. Which says a lot to me. What he does address is posting videos, which tells me his lesson learned is not to post videos, not that he could have communicated better.
     
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    His video makes it perfectly clear he doesn't think he made a mistake, he had better situational awareness and was helping the guy lined up. He never once said he made a mistake. Furthermore, people are cracking on his whine-tube video response, not his “mistake”. So your comment doesn’t really apply in any way.
     
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    I understand that sir, but we all realize how superficial this really was, mistake or not, so to crack on it like one of us wouldn’t ever slip up and do the same is pretty ridiculous. The whole thing isn’t really about what happened, it’s about the punk who reported something that was so stupid.
     
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    I’m with the rest. I think the guy lining up at an uncontrolled is probably the more dangerous move. The kid definitely should not have reported. I did not see the insult. I might’ve been insulted and didn’t know therefore!

    it not the end of his life but I completely miss the cancel/online shutdown mentality. He did get his own medicine back I guess.
     
  11. PaulS

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    I'm not watching the video again, but I do believe he acknowledges the call was early. That airplane lined up was at least a mile away, I thought the call was fine, I try to wait until I've crossed the line before I call, but sometimes I'll call a little early if I know things are going to be tight. There are several airports around here that have runways where you can't see one end from the other so I make it a habit to make these calls.

    I also have had other airplanes cleared to take off before I technically cleared the runway at controlled airports. Should I be calling the FAA on those controllers?
     
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    The FSDO sided with the jet aircraft. What more is there to argue here?
     
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    Not arguing anything. But you have to read what I say to get what I’m saying out of it.

    Saying you are clear when you are not clear is wrong. Admit it. Try not to do it. It’s not that hard.

    Is it a big deal, no, of course not. it doesn’t matter that it wasn’t a safety or regulatory issue or a big deal. It was wrong. And could be done better.
     
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    I agree, but it’s pretty superficial and didn’t create any hazard. It’s an easy slip up and I’m sure we’ve all done something similar at one point or another.
     
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    Agree 110%
     
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    Sure, he was in the wrong. However, there was no hazard and/or regulations violated.
     
  17. Arnold

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    P1D may be smart and accomplished but he has no common sense. If I were his lawyer I would box his ears (figuratively) for the rebuttal post. He should still win this, but he may have just made it harder.
     
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    I agree, since it’s the same thing I said. Lol
     
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    That would be a mistake.
    But I can't find any regulations that would apply to an untowered airport.

    The complaint was about 91.129 - but that is for class D.
     
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    Then it cannot be a mistake if there are no regs busted and no hazard, right? Me holding short, I would have thought "that was nice of P1D" as I pushed in the throttle.
     
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    Its called "anticipated separation" and is completely legal. If we didn't use anticipated separation everything would slow down and I'm sure pilots don't want to be slowed down...do they?

    Note: I know the gist of your question and was not offended. I just felt the need to throw my couple of pennies in the discussion.
     
  22. SC777

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    Micaiah got “offended” by Premier 1’s reply to his YT comment. Had a hissy fit and set the FAA on him. And has the gall to beg for $76k on Go Fund Me to have other folks pay for his flying (doesn’t that violate the whole not paying less than the prorated share of costs as a PPL?). Good lord, what’s this world coming too?
     
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    As a result of bad parenting and government school indoctrination, punks like that want to punish you for not thinking like them and take offense to your "privileged" status as a normal adult.

    We are breeding a generation of cowards.
     
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    According to FAA JO 7110.65 (3-9-5) "takeoff clearance needs not be withheld until prescribed separation exists if there is a reasonable assurance it will exist when the aircraft starts takeoff roll." ATC is allowed to use "anticipated separation" on controlled fields because they also have the authority to abort a clearance should something happen where the separation could not be maintained...
     
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  25. Vance Breese

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    Because the AIM recommends it.

    AIM Table 4-1-1 Summary of recommended radio communications for No Tower, FSS or UNICOM

    10 miles out. Entering downwind, base, and final. Leaving the runway.
     
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    Micaiah stated it was a violation of 91.129, "Operations in Class D airspace". Not sure how one can violate a regulation governing Class D airspace while one is in Class G airspace.
     
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    You identified it...often the view is obstructed from one end to the other. My home runway has a 15-20 foot hump in the middle, so you often can't see aircraft on the other half of the runway.
     
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    I think your order is reversed. Pretty sure the gofund me page predated the complaint to the FAA and as to where it falls, well that arguably depends. The FAA doesn't say anything about you flying on someone else's dime, they just say you cant be receiving compensation for the flying... So if someone wants to pay for your flight instruction, as long as you aren't doing anything flying related for them, than there is no issue. I mean if I did yard work for someone and asked them to pay for my flight time directly instead of paying me, there's no real issue there right?

    Of course that becomes a sticky wicket because the FAA tends to consider a lot of things compensation and a lot of other things they dont... Is compensation from youtube flying videos compensation for the flying or for the video (the FAA says video, which is why they're allowed) but if I take my friend flying for a $100 hamburger and he pays for both of us, is that compensation for the flight or my friend just being friendly?

    People keep characterizing the kids response as an immature hissy fit... I agree it was unwarranted and inappropriate but an immature hissy fit? No. That honor falls to P1D. His response is an immature hissy fit. The kid reporting what he saw as a violation to the FAA for further investigation is what we are "supposed" to do (though not necessarily what we should do)... As someone else said, a generation raised on "see something, say something" and we're upset by the fact that they report things to the authorities...
     
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    Off-topic. Wtf kind of name is Micaiah?
     
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    I am not a controller, although I have had nightmares about being forced to be a controller, but it is Ok to have more than one airplane on the runway. The controllers have specified distances between different size planes.

    I don't know where I got the info as a student, probably from instructors with good intentions, but as a student I understood that only one airplane was allowed on the runway at any time. I now know that is incorrect.

    In Alaska it was not uncommon to have 3 or 4 or possibly more aircraft back taxi on the runway, then turn around and take off. Not all at once, usually I started the TO roll as the wheels of the plane in front of me would lift off the runway.
     
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    Ultimately, this whole thing is a failure in basic socialization and interpersonal skills development. The videographer over-reacted--although I sympathize with his annoyance--and the kid needs to realize that acting like a 5-year old will not go far in an environment where you have to work with others. Better to be the adult in the room...nobody is perfect.
     
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    The student asks an honest question, the kind we get people asking on this board all the time. P1's response comes off (to me) as perhaps a little snippy, but based in a desire to answer the question. The student's second post again reads like coming from a place of wanting to learn. The whole text exchange seemed pretty civil to me, at least not as bad as some of the responses to questions that you sometimes see here on this board ("Jeez, how you can you not know this, your CFI must be terrible, get a new one!"). But text is a terrible medium for communicating attitudes and tone, so who knows what each intended, and what each interpreted from the other.

    P1 early in the video: "Let's take this opportunity to learn." <-- Good. Let's.
    P1 later in the video: "This was a violation of trust." <-- Huh? You put something out for the entire world, you didn't make some kind of implicit contract requiring mutual trust.

    Now let's all relax and stop judging the parenting skills of strangers we know nothing about.
     
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    Will this meeting with the FAA go in P1D’s permanent personal file? That’s the part that really matters.
     
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    Are you saying the plane behind him did a "Line up and wait" (formerly known as position and hold) at a non-towered (formerly known as uncontrolled) field? That would be on the other guy, not JetYouTubeMan.

    Nothing in the video to support it , but my assumption (and I know what that makes me) is that the airplane waiting to depart was holding behind the hold short line and was never endangered by the JetYouTubeMan's early call.
     
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    What is the booger eaters whole name so I can pile on? I'm all for doxxing those kinds of people.
     
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    Exactly.....

    @apr911 I never said the GFM page neither predated nor came after the YT comment. Not sure how you derived that. And to your point re what does/does not constitutes compensation his page actually says “come fly with me”, and is asking folks to pay for it. Sounds exactly like being compensated to take people flying. Guy doesn’t even have his PPL let alone a commercial cert. And yes he did throw a hissy fit. He called the authorities only after he got “offended” by P1D’s reply to his question. A question in which he cites an incorrect reg that doesn’t even apply in this instance then tries to back it up by saying it goes contrary to “everything I have learned”.... pay attention to what you’re being taught much kid??

    Cry me an f’ing river Micaiah. You didn’t like P1D’s reply and went crying to the FAA. Speaks volumes about this snot nose kid’s upbringing.
     
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    I hope the kid never comes to some of the small podunk airports I frequent. You are lucky if half the planes have a radio or one that works let alone make clear of the runway calls.

    I agree if I had that guys money I wouldn't waste my time with Youtube videos. Not worth the trouble.
     
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    Yes it will. For evah.
     
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    Since you are clearly endorsing this kids behavior, please tell us how you are going to self report every infraction you execute from here going forward. Because anything other than that would make your comments hypocritical and completely worthless
    Better yet why don’t you post that data here on the board so all of us can view and make the determination on what we feel warrants being a reportable offense to the FAA.
    If this is something you are unwilling to do then your comments are without merit and therefore just a waste of time
    “LOL”
     
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