Great comments
@pburger! As someone who has flown the Fisk arrival something like 40 times, I agree wholeheartedly.
Don't make up a 2 mile in trail arrival process and spring it on the arriving aircraft.
This! That drives me nuts. 2 miles is hard, and it's unnecessary. Yes, you may need to send more aircraft around when it's at 1/2 mile, but you'll get a lot more in too. And in the pre-pandemic times I've seen ATC get the 1/2 mile in trail folks all into the runway when there was only one runway available.
- Reopen the Friar Tucks gate. It was apparently padlocked late in the week. That's where all the campers exit for groceries and off-field food. Might require an extra guard, but camping creds should be the only necessary access documentation.
Apparently, some vandals damaged the gate. That's why it got locked shut later - it was inop.
- If there is a way to punish bad actors in the arrival stream, make it so.
YESSSSSS.
I'd love it if there were:
1) An extra controller at Fisk whose sole job it was to watch for bad actors and make sure they're the ones who get booted out and sent around.
2) A recording of all of the ADS-B (and radio!) for the week that was watched afterwards to determine the bad actors and send them fines and/or ground them for 60-90 days, to be served during July and August of the following year to keep them away from OSH.
- Get the long promised "low and slow" grass field up and running to get the Cubs, Champs, and biplanes out of the 90 knot stream.
Definitely - Or have them arrive and hold south of Fisk, to be let in when there's a sufficiently large gap.
I saw you and the family and returned the wave as I was taxing for departure Thursday morning! I wished I had a horn in the Skyhawk.
FAA did NOT want another on at 2300 at 130 kts- and htat's where some years ago I got descend upon by a Baron who was flying GPS direct, descending to FISK.
They need to allow people to come in on the 2300 arrival, especially twins. They frequently try to just shut it down because of the various Cirrus drivers who do it because they can. However, it's there for a reason. Turn the Cirri back, not the folks who really should be flying the high arrival.
Reportedly ATC is now using ADS-B to identify line cutters and turn them away at FISK. Anyone see that happen?
I've heard it happen, but in reality I think they catch less than 5% of people doing it. They're busy enough just doing their job visually at Fisk.
I wonder how many have indicators calibrated in MPH and are doing 90.
They need to be doing 105 then. It's 90 Knots IAS. It's not mph, or TAS, or GS. Admittedly, the NOTAM used to be a lot clearer about this than it is now.
I have lived reasonably close to OSH for 20 years, and always wanted to experience it. I know I would have no trouble flying the arrival and landing, but don't want to fight the other yahoos that can't. I also don't want to deal with the traffic and parking to drive in. My tolerance of large crowds has shrank enough I'm not sure I'll ever make the trek. Should have done it when I was younger.
Don't count it out just yet. I thought at one point that "I shoulda gone to Mardi Gras when I was younger" as it didn't sound appealing to me any more. Then, I got to perform in a Mardi Gras parade and experience it anyway, and it turned out to be very different than I thought it would, and super cool. I hope you get a similar opportunity when it comes to OSH.
What I don’t get is why so many guys can’t or won’t fly at 90 knots. That’s 1.6 Vso for RVs and about 1.8 for 172s. Piece of cake to fly that all day long. I guess it’s just impatience or gross ineptitude.
I will say that every aircraft I've seen going too fast or flying the high arrival when they shouldn't has been a Cirrus. There's a type.
90% of the fly-in crowd is in 152's, 172's, 182's, Cherokees, and RV's should be very comfortable at 75 knots. Maybe the airplane doesn't cool particularly well at that speed, but it is very flyable. I can't speak for the Cirrus crowd, or the Bo's or Comanches, but most of the GA fleet should be able to handle the Ripon/Fisk approach with no issues.
Yep. A Cirrus can fly just fine at 90 knots. Or a Bo, or a Comanche, or a Mooney. I can't think of a piston single that can't.
The big thing I see is the accordion effect where <maybe> the first guy in line isn't flying 90. He's at 85. And the second guy runs up his tail, realizes it, and drops to 80 to create spacing. Unfortunately the 3rd guy doesn't anticipate any of this, so he runs up the back of the guy doing 80 and has to slow to 75 to create space. And on and on and on. Pretty soon you have a ripple or accordian effect blowing back through the stream. Here's a hint... If you're the first guy in line and nobody is in front of you...pick it up - fly the arrival at 100 or 110 so you aren't the cork in the bottle. And if you're the guy behind the guy doing 110...establish your spacing and fly 110. There's no need to fly 90 unless you're behind someone.
...Except the NOTAM says not to. But I do like your idea, provided that you can slow to 90 and maintain >1/2 mile in trail.
The real issue this year was the controllers wanting 2 mile spacing at Fisk. That cuts the throughput by 75%, which means airplanes get sent around to join the already overflowing stream of inbound aircraft. Which means even more aircraft get turned away, which means... It is a doom loop. If it is legal VFR, the controllers need to handle it at 1/2 mile spacing. They have two or three runways to play with depending on wind (do they ever use 18L for arrivals?). So with half mile spacing at Fisk and alternating runways, there should be one mile spacing (or more) upon arrival. I think a HUGE problem for arrivals and departures is the controllers' reluctance to actually excercise the reduced runway separation rules in effect for the show.
This!
... For me, it was a great first Fisk arrival. I can replay every minute of it in my head 
