Nationwide Ground Stop 11-13-26

SkyHog said:
I forgot how abysmal airlines are at communicating with the public.

ATC saying expect an update around 0400z. Airlines saying "we have no additional information but there is an air traffic control delay. As soon as we get more information we will share it."

Why, why are airlines so bad at this?
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Airlines? What can the airlines say when they aren't getting any information.
 
I've always wondered what would happen in the case of a total nationwide ATC outage as far as the airlines going into large busy airports.

Would I be right in assuming that if every ATC computer/remote connection suddenly went down the local towers still have a working radio and some kind of contingency plan to get everyone on the ground? Maybe not with some of these new remote towers. In visual conditions it would seem pretty straightforward- revert to uncontrolled airport rules and coordinate with each other. IDK how that would work in IFR conditions though... I mean we know what lost comms procedures are but at a big airport like ORD, LAX, or JFK? You wouldn't want to just blindly shoot an approach without clearance. I guess everyone would just get on the radio and report their positions to each other/work something out but man that would be a mess.

(and yes I know how unlikely this would be but it's an interesting what if)
 
my son is military ATC. Just sent me a text, nationwide equipment issues. Ground stopped all aircraft IFR/VFR.
 
Just planned and briefed a VFR flight on Foreflight.

No issues on the briefing. Good to go, I guess.
 
francisco collazos said:
This is probably a dumb question but can I go fly my plane out of an uncontrolled airport if i'm not taling to ATC vfr?
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Ground stop is an ATC term meaning the ATC system is not accepting aircraft. If you're not using the ATC system, a ground stop does not apply to you.

I think.
 
what is the story i’m not seeing notams but the news is all over this
 
From the pilot-controller glossary:
GROUND STOP (GS)− The GS is a process that requires aircraft that meet a specific criteria to remain on the ground. The criteria may be airport specific, airspace specific, or equipment specific; for example, all departures to San Francisco, or all departures entering Yorktown sector, or all Category I and II aircraft going to Charlotte. GSs normally occur with little or no warning.
 
Btw, in the spirit of my earlier communication comment... See the flight board. Is this even close to accurate??


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StraightnLevel said:
Crap. I was supposed to catch a 7:55 flight out of IAH. I'm guessing that's not going to happen.....
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I’m at IAH right now. Boarded my flight to Las Vegas around 2pm then told to get off about 40 mins later. Nothing leaving here at IAH. It’s a mass of irritated, odiferous humanity!
 
The KSEE ATIS is stating no VFR or IFR ATC services are available. I wonder if that impacts getting B, C, or D clearance? It looks like a bunch of "little guys" are still flying in and around the San Diego area airports though.
edit-didn't see the above post about pattern work before posting this missive.
 
People should plan on every airline not paying for room, board, taxi/uber fares. This will all be on the traveler.
 
jallen0 said:
People should plan on every airline not paying for room, board, taxi/uber fares. This will all be on the traveler.
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In fairness, it's not the airlines fault. I don't think they should be on the hook. Despite their inability to communicate at a 3rd grade level, I do feel bad for Tha agents that will be putting in extra hours to get yelled at for something beyond their control tonight.
 
“Passengers at Asheville Regional Airport in North Carolina were told over the intercom at 4:30 p.m. that there won’t be any updates until midnight. Airport staff released everyone’s bags and told them to go home, even though flights were still listed as only delayed.”

“A United Airlines employee inside Chicago O’Hare International Airport is telling departing passengers that live in the area to go home. She also informed travelers that passengers on planes that were on the runway to depart had been removed.”
 
The news is showing that international planes from LAX ( both were to China) are departing right now.
 
In the spirit respect to my neighbors in the south, you guys need to upgrade your ATC, I'm just VFR and I don't fly into the US a lot but in busy airports things get exciting.
I love the freedom we have in North America, VFR IS A BREEZE with flight following, try that in Europe... there you must stay at assigned altitudes and VFR Flight corridors .
Boarding soon from CYYC to HNL
All flights to Hawai are departing from CYYC
 
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Their explanation seems really lacking. Just "bummer... lines are down, try again later".
 
Nick Geber said:
I’m at IAH right now. Boarded my flight to Las Vegas around 2pm then told to get off about 40 mins later. Nothing leaving here at IAH. It’s a mass of irritated, odiferous humanity!
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Understood. I re-scheduled my flight for another day. Looks like my weekend trip just got cancelled...
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Funny... But maybe also very not-funny. Do we know what the cause of the Outlook outage was yesterday? Given that it appears multiple systems are affected at the FAA, it's not a simple "oh, x went down" scenario. It may be an actual attack.
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"This was a technical issue not related to cyber or AI / agents. The incident was introduced by an issue during an earlier network capacity upgrade that surfaced following a recent network change. We have addressed the underlying issue and continue to restore service to remaining customers and regions."
 
SkyHog said:
Btw, in the spirit of my earlier communication comment... See the flight board. Is this even close to accurate??


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No... But I would imagine they don't have a big button for "delay/cancel all flights" and each flight likely is getting delayed/canceled individually when the Captain and the dispatcher talk about it.

nauga said:
For something as serious as a nationwide ground stop the FAA sure is being quiet about it, at least if the NOTAM search system and 1800WXbrief are any indication.
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FAA's NOTAM system is down last I checked... As is the ATCSCC Advisories database server apparently. So, the "official" sources of information are either so flooded as to be useless, or they're affected by the outage as well. FAA has lost their voice, so to speak...

mark.staggs said:
"This was a technical issue not related to cyber or AI / agents. The incident was introduced by an issue during an earlier network capacity upgrade that surfaced following a recent network change. We have addressed the underlying issue and continue to restore service to remaining customers and regions."
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Well, it's not like I expect Microsoft to say "We got hacked by Russian bots" even if that was what happened.
 
I contacted my flight instructor and here is his reply:

I would look on wxbrief website to make sure but the way I understand it, it's no more ifr departures. Vfr is ok in E and G. Don't expect any kind of atc services and probably case by case on class D. No B or C.
 
SkyHog said:
ATC saying expect an update around 0400z. Airlines saying "we have no additional information but there is an air traffic control delay. As soon as we get more information we will share it."
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SkyHog said:
They can say "no departures are expected until at least 9pm local time..."

Rather than "we have no information other than there are delays"
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I think there's a misunderstand on how ground stops work.

All ground stops have an update time. That means that if there hasn't been an update before then, they will update it then. It does not mean that the ground stop will not end earlier. They often do.

The airlines aren't saying when the ground stop will be lifted because the FAA has not said when it will be lifted.

iamtheari said:
Early prediction: airlines will blame this on weather.
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Why would they do that? ATC is classified as an uncontrollable delay just like weather.
 
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